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Right/Left - is it as simple as this?
    #1672107 - 06/29/03 09:25 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Theory. Are the "right" more fundamentally satisfied with "the system" than the "left"? It seems, at least on this board, that the right are constantly defending the status quo, while the left are pointing out the flaws in how things are.

Is it as simple as pro and anti establishment?


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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1672121 - 06/29/03 09:31 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

No, it's as simple as the "right" wants the constitution and B.O.R. honored and followed.

The "left" wants parts of it followed as long as they like them.


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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1672155 - 06/29/03 09:47 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

How is that different from establishment vs non-establishment?

Why do you assume the constitution and bill of rights are in and of themselves perfect, and appropriate to the changed reality since they were written?


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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1672171 - 06/29/03 09:52 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
No, it's as simple as the "right" wants the constitution and B.O.R. honored and followed.

The "left" wants parts of it followed as long as they like them.



I believe it's the people on the "right" who are pushing the Flag Burning Ammendment, the PATRIOT Act, etc. Be careful about making such gross generalizations.


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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1672187 - 06/29/03 09:58 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Perfect?

Not at all.

But pretty damn close. And there is a process for changing it.

It's just too bad we've strayed so far from it.


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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1672190 - 06/29/03 10:01 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Sorry.

I assumed it was an obvious generalization.


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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1672201 - 06/29/03 10:06 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Sorry.

I assumed it was an obvious generalization.



Only to someone who leans so far to the right that it's a miracle they can walk in a straight line.


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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1672557 - 06/30/03 12:18 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

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the right are constantly defending the status quo, while the left are pointing out the flaws in how things are




I think it's more like this:

The right have dysfunctional memory. They think about "the good old days" as a piece of spacetime when everything was The Way It Should Be, and have forgotten all the pain, violence and destroyed lives that were caused by the ideologies of those days.

The left have dysfunctional reasoning facilities. They believe that having the government control more of the economy will solve all current problems, in spite of a consistent record of empirical and theoretical evidence that points in the opposite direction.


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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1672779 - 06/30/03 02:06 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
No, it's as simple as the "right" wants the constitution and B.O.R. honored and followed.

The "left" wants parts of it followed as long as they like them.




That was a pretty retarded post, even for you man.


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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: ]
    #1673328 - 06/30/03 07:52 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

without the left their would be no one to watch over the right and the right would lead to its own demise


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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1673397 - 06/30/03 08:39 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

You're definitely on to something there. I could be pro and anti establishment.

It could also be people who want freedom vs. those who believe "there ought to be limits to freedom".





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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1673456 - 06/30/03 09:25 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

hehe. Where do you always get those good pictures?


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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: ]
    #1673557 - 06/30/03 10:47 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Switch the sides every time a new President gets elected. If a leftie is in office, the right hates him generaly. Same thing for the left, when a right wing guy is in office.


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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: somebodyelse]
    #1675052 - 06/30/03 10:11 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

lefties tend to favor more governmental influence and meddling than conservatives do.

there is of course, that self-rightous, hardcore christian, puritanical authoritarian flavor of 'conservative' who'd like to see the government getting their nose in all kinds of things they shouldn't. in general though... i'd say the defining characteristic of conservativism over liberalism is that conservatives want less government, and liberals more.


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Re: Right/Left - is it as simple as this? [Re: ]
    #1675062 - 06/30/03 10:15 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

What you're talking about is libertarianism, not conservatism. Liberalism and conservatism have to do with change. Liberals favor it, while conservatives are wary of it. This is why most of the founding fathers were considered liberal in their own day, but would be considered conservative by today's standards.


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