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OfflineTheShroomHermit
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Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights?
    #2307014 - 02/05/04 11:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

President Bush, reacting to a new Massachusetts state court ruling, says a constitutional amendment will be necessary to ban gay marriages if judges persist in approving them.
"Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman," he said in the statement. "If activist judges insist on redefining marriage by court order, the only alternative will be the constitutional process. We must do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage."

What do you guys think?


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2307078 - 02/06/04 12:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think the government should butt out of marriage (and a whole lot of other things).


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2307153 - 02/06/04 12:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Am I delusional, or was there a time when people actually minded their own business?


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2307180 - 02/06/04 12:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"And hey! Why stop at that? Let's make a constitutional amendment putting those uppity blacks in their place! And those Jews..... "

Man this fucktard Bush has GOT to go! :thumbdown:


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2307181 - 02/06/04 12:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
Am I delusional, or was there a time when people actually minded their own business?




:lol:

fucking government.


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: domite]
    #2307289 - 02/06/04 01:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Please register to vote this year guys. November is around the corner and we could have a different president in a year!


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: Signo]
    #2307342 - 02/06/04 01:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Signo said:
Please register to vote this year guys.  November is around the corner and we could have a different president in a year!




Hear, hear! :thumbup:


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2307586 - 02/06/04 04:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i'm all about gays marrying each other. god's population control.


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2308156 - 02/06/04 12:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

when I think about all the other constitutional amendments we desperately need (such as a Balanced Budget amendment) the fact that Bush is wasting time on this really pisses me off.


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2308382 - 02/06/04 01:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Remember when Constitutional ammendments granted people rights rather than taking them away?


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2308422 - 02/06/04 01:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i was about to say the same thing.

i wonder... do you think that the bill of rights would ever make it through congress today?


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2308445 - 02/06/04 01:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Remember when Constitutional ammendments granted people rights rather than taking them away?



Actually no, the orginal ten amendments granted nothing, they were intended as explicit limits on government power. Rights pre-exist governments according to the concept of 'Natural Rights,' which the founders embraced.


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: Evolving]
    #2308450 - 02/06/04 01:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

good call.


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: Evolving]
    #2308958 - 02/06/04 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Evolving said:
Quote:

silversoul7 said:
Remember when Constitutional ammendments granted people rights rather than taking them away?



Actually no, the orginal ten amendments granted nothing, they were intended as explicit limits on government power. Rights pre-exist governments according to the concept of 'Natural Rights,' which the founders embraced.



You must have stayed awake in class.


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2309263 - 02/06/04 06:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I stayed awake in class too. I just disagreed with the teacher.


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2309269 - 02/06/04 06:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I just disagreed with the teacher.


Judging by many of your posts, that's obvious.


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2309431 - 02/06/04 07:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just disagreed with the teacher.

if rights are nothing more than something legally granted to you by the authorities in power, they are nothing at all.

(and whether you agreed with your teacher or not, it is a fact that the founding fathers believed in the idea of natural rights)


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: ]
    #2309446 - 02/06/04 07:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I guess I should've said I disagree with the founding fathers. Not that I don't appreciate what they did--I just disagree with the premise of Natural Rights, as I have explained before. But to keep the thread on-topic, I will not go any further into that.


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Re: Constitutional ammendment banning gay rights? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2309600 - 02/06/04 08:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I believe in the premise of natural rights, but I believe those rights end when they inflict harm on people or society.


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