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 Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? 
#1247286 - 01/25/03 04:55 AM (22 years, 6 days ago) |
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Mine is definately ONE.
Let's say that George bush said he was going to throw away the bill of rights but he was willing to let us keep one amendment.
Which one would you keep?
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#1247287 - 01/25/03 04:56 AM (22 years, 6 days ago) |
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assuming also that he said that the right would be taken literally and always guarenteed.
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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#1247307 - 01/25/03 05:09 AM (22 years, 6 days ago) |
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"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
-- US 9th Amendment
Unfortunately, the Constitution is a dead letter and is void where prohibited by law. History has shown that constitutions are at best only a means of slowing the growth of government, but are no safeguard against the designs for power of some men over others.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Evolving]
#1247319 - 01/25/03 05:18 AM (22 years, 6 days ago) |
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Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
If the first nine were removed hopefully each and every state would have the intelligence to implement the ones removed into the state constitution and therefore most of our rights would be maintained (only at the state and local level, though)
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#1247342 - 01/25/03 05:33 AM (22 years, 6 days ago) |
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II What a shock. Without it the others are worthless.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#1247354 - 01/25/03 05:40 AM (22 years, 6 days ago) |
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The Federal Government is an illegal entity.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#1247454 - 01/25/03 06:36 AM (22 years, 6 days ago) |
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2nd. Without it, the rest aren't worth squat.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#1247548 - 01/25/03 07:34 AM (22 years, 6 days ago) |
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Keep the second, take the rest back by force.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Anonymous]
#1247706 - 01/25/03 08:59 AM (22 years, 6 days ago) |
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The consensus keeps building.  
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#1247760 - 01/25/03 09:40 AM (22 years, 6 days ago) |
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2nd amendment is my favorite and is the most important. Without this amendment others can not be defended.
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 Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#1248412 - 01/25/03 02:42 PM (22 years, 6 days ago) |
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The first, but I'm also a big fan of the fourth.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: ]
#1248527 - 01/25/03 03:23 PM (22 years, 6 days ago) |
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II What a shock. Without it the others are worthless.
I think I have to disagree with you here. While I might also choose the 2nd, the 1st might be the must important. The others might take time to win back but through the discusion and debate aforded by the first you could still win back the others. I think that the builders also felt that freedom of speach was the most important, and I think they felt that 2 was 2nd most. Change is always possible if free speach is afforded.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Innvertigo]
#1248643 - 01/25/03 04:13 PM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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Without the rest of them, the 2nd is useless.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#1249071 - 01/25/03 08:22 PM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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I think the 1st is most important. I believe "the pen is mightier than the sword", and with the 1st, you can win the others back.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: GoBlue!]
#1249255 - 01/26/03 12:21 AM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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So bring a pen to a sword fight.
Let us know how that works out for you.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#1249257 - 01/26/03 12:23 AM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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but through the discusion and debate aforded by the first you could still win back the others.
Sure. Just like discussion and debate would have won America's freedom.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1249300 - 01/26/03 01:26 AM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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Well for one the patriot act is pretty good proof that the pen can be mightier, and that can work both ways.
two, in a democracy you could win them back, but right you are that in a monarchy it probably would get your head removed.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#1249305 - 01/26/03 01:32 AM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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Keep your pen then. While that's important, I'll keep my guns.
There comes a time in most, if not all, struggles for freedom against government, that the threat of force becomes necessary.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1249340 - 01/26/03 02:49 AM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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I think Ghandi said that...
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1249422 - 01/26/03 04:09 AM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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So bring a pen to a sword fight.
Serious question here:
If you oppose the Patriot Act (or some other unconstitutional act), do you think you would be more effective by rallying people together in support of your cause with free speech, or do you think you'd be better off storming into Washington with a few guns blasting? Personally, I think the swordfight can be avoided altogether in this situation.
If you're talking defense from other countries, we have a military that is more than adequate for that job.
PS - I'm NOT against the 2nd amendment, I simply gave my opinion that it wasn't the MOST important amendment.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: GoBlue!]
#1249594 - 01/26/03 06:16 AM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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If you oppose the Patriot Act (or some other unconstitutional act),
I do oppose the Patriot Act (despite it's catchy name) and I have believe most if not all of it will be deemed unconstitutional.
The time is not upon us for the need to storm Washington. I suspect it never will be. The option remains open though as long as we have the 2nd ammendment. I think throwing bullets MUST remain an option as throwing newspapers seems to be highly ineffective.
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PS - I'm NOT against the 2nd amendment
I don't recall saying you are.
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Edited by luvdemshrooms (01/26/03 06:17 AM)
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: GoBlue!]
#1249595 - 01/26/03 06:17 AM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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We're not talking about an act of questionable constitutionality. We're talking about the entire Bill of Rights being squashed.
That being said, imagine what would have to happen, the tyranny of a scale unimaginable to Americans, that would have to be present for the entire Bill of Rights to be made void. Once we got that far, brute force would be the ONLY thing that would bring it back.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1249755 - 01/26/03 07:32 AM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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So bring a pen to a sword fight.
Let us know how that works out for you.
I mean no disrespect to GoBlue! but I found that to be extremely witty and funny.
The next time one of my anti-gun friends drags that one out I intend to use it.
No credit will be given to the author though, natch.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1249786 - 01/26/03 07:51 AM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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So bring a pen to a sword fight.
Let us know how that works out for you.
What if he used the pen to write letters to 100 of his friends, telling them to bring their swords? Then who would win?
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Andytweed]
#1249931 - 01/26/03 09:17 AM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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But in this case, the friends wouldn't be allowed to have swords. You have an army of unarmed writers.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: ]
#1250142 - 01/26/03 11:09 AM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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but I found that to be extremely witty and funny.
I was tired and off my game when I wrote that. I should have said.....
Write us a letter and let us know how that works out for you.
And either way.. it's not copyrighted, so feel free to use it at will. 
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1250411 - 01/26/03 12:57 PM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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but through the discusion and debate aforded by the first you could still win back the others.
Sure. Just like discussion and debate would have won America's freedom.
If India didn't need to resort to violence to achieve independence, then neither did America.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: silversoul7]
#1250588 - 01/26/03 02:26 PM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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Comparing India's independence with our own is like comparing apples and oranges. We were up against a tyrannical monarchy, at a time when democracy was almost unheard of and England by no means would simply free the American colonies. India protested a democracy's intervention, at a time when the world was concerned about a nuclear war. In fact, India probably would still be ruled by a monarchial Great Britain if we had refused to fight for independence.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Anonymous]
#1250598 - 01/26/03 02:30 PM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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At the time of America's war for independence, it was not the dictatorship that you and many others seem to think it was. True, the monarchy was stronger then than it is now, but Parliament had most of the power. Also, the Constitution was based largely on England's model for government, with a few changes of course.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: silversoul7]
#1250613 - 01/26/03 02:39 PM (22 years, 5 days ago) |
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England's Parliament was a gathering of nobles and other such tyrants, obsessed with power.
Here's an example:
We complained about the English taxing us without proper representation in Parliament. So the English, rather than let the colonies send over representatives, passed legislation so that we could be taxed without representation.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Anonymous]
#1254227 - 01/27/03 04:51 PM (22 years, 3 days ago) |
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#1259737 - 01/29/03 04:38 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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Keep your pen then. While that's important, I'll keep my guns.
There comes a time in most, if not all, struggles for freedom against government, that the threat of force becomes necessary.
Oh, I'll keep my guns too. I always figured though that there will always be guns available on the blackmarked. Hell, If it ever came to that point I bet there would be a few contries that would give us guns. Not to mention that (IMHO) most millitary would side with the people. It would end up being the US millitary/citizens vs The US "government"/ United Nations forces.
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 Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: mntlfngrs]
#1259757 - 01/29/03 04:47 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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"It would end up being the US millitary/citizens vs The US "government"/ United Nations forces."
That's a fact, dude. I know a bunch of people in the military, and I think they're all "one of us". 
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Cornholio]
#1259896 - 01/29/03 05:47 PM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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Yeah and that means we still win.
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Re: Which amendment to the bill of rights is your favorite? [Re: Anonymous]
#1261827 - 01/30/03 10:52 AM (22 years, 1 day ago) |
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Exactly
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