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Why not just share an apartment?� Two people in an apt is not unreasonable at all.� Don't jump to ridiculous conclusions, your not convincing anybody with that.� Its very cheap to share an apartment.� Isnt that what you and your friends did when you moved out?

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Ridiculous?  I have a brother-in-law who, as a kid, lived with his Mormon family, mom, dad & 14 siblings, in a boxcar.  An eighty year old living today could have been born in a California jungle camp for agricultural workers. 

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Enlil said:

I don't know what kind of life you think you're entitled to live with a minimum wage job, but I've been very poor before, and there have been times when living alone in a two bedroom apt and spending $20 a day on food would have been living the high-life for me.

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You see there was no government "safety nets" back then, people had to survive on their own, and you know what? They survived anyway, and did not end up in "jungle camps".

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zappaisgod said:

It has nothing to do with being a dedicated anything.  If you are making minimum wage in your thirties you are by definition a retard.  I might add a "fucking" to the "retard".  If you are still making minimum wage after 20 years you clearly should have done something else.  Does this even exist or are you pulling a fictional downsie out of your ass to make a stupid point?

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no it doesn't even exist. We're all waiting for fucking Wall Street idiots to get their houses re modeled so we can bid a little extra on our contracts

Not Quite Social said:

DieCommie, you know, I really didn't provide enough information for you to feel justified in your conclusions.  Nevertheless, you seem to think desperately poor kids should die of malnutrition or work 16 hour days  in sweat shops and the government with it's meddlesome, anti-freedom labor standards, regulations, and laws, with its pernicious health care and diabolical food stamps, should butt the hell out of the sacred machinations of the Free Market.  If minimum wage were a living wage, fewer government handouts would be needed; or, if Americans were so broadly good and charitable, we wouldn't have the history of suffering I referenced.  If you cannot understand these connections, I do not know how to make them clearer to you.

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Not Quite Social said:

Nevertheless, you seem to think desperately poor kids should die of malnutrition or work 16 hour days  in sweat shops...

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you claimed a person shouldn't live on $20 a day to eat. Do you realize that $20 doesn't really cook you 3 huge thanks giving turkey dinners right?

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imachavel said:

Man, I see what it is with you. You just don't like losing, you'll just keep dragging this on and on just because you are right. NEWS FLASH, A TURKEY IS EXPENSIVE. With $20, do you think that you can buy a turkey, and have a lot of money left to prepare the turkey very well?

Anyway, you are just arguing now to not let go of something. You must have me confused with an over consumer. Go pray to your precious government that subsidizes farms uselessly. Since you want to speak of waste, what do you think of that? Subsidizing a farm, that would grow food, for people to eat. Something much more important then the wasteful spending someone would spend on a house by buying it for $500,000. Do you find the necessary? Mr. "you can prepare a thanks giving turkey for under $20 with the vegetables and the stuffing and all"??

Do you find buying un necessary things like jewelry, a very expensive convertible car, first class plane tickets, as waste ful as eating what you claim is "whatever you want"? You talk about me spending $30 a day on food as though it's necessary for the benefit of society

Do you find other things more waste ful then buying expensive food? Does buying expensive food pollute the environment? Let's bring that up, what if I don't want to drive a car, or take a bus, because it pollutes the environment. But where I work is too far to bike to every day. Should I just lay down and not care about the conditions I live in? You claim creating your own future and not expecting society to just give you something is a much faster way of earning what you truly deserve. How the fuck is how much I spend on food waste ful?

What are you babbling about for? Is this going to turn into a convo about welfare, food stamps, waste ful spending that somehow raises the deficit because I don't live next to a costco and cook expensively? man those meals totaling over $20 a day really fucking add up

waste social spending if I've ever seen it cause of the deficit......... somehow

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there's no reason for people doing honest work, 40 hours per week, to get so little pay they and their families suffer. 

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They should able to afford a house, utilities, groceries, healthy food, healthcare, a decent education, and vacation; and they ought not to have to work more than 40 hours per week to afford these things so they can raise children and have leisure.  That should be the minimum wage.  No reason it should be less, dumb fucking sadist status quo supporters aside.

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Not Quite Social said:

There is no reason to desire poverty and hardship for others--there's only dumb animal appreciation and acceptance of hierarchy.  There's no reason people who work at jobs that employers want done--food served, bedpans emptied, shelves stocked, bathrooms mopped, children supervised, etc.--there's no reason for people doing honest work, 40 hours per week, to get so little pay they and their families suffer.  There's no reason they shouldn't be paid wages that meet their needs and provide for their comfort and happiness.  They should able to afford a house, utilities, groceries, healthy food, healthcare, a decent education, and vacation; and they ought not to have to work more than 40 hours per week to afford these things so they can raise children and have leisure.  That should be the minimum wage.  No reason it should be less, dumb fucking sadist status quo supporters aside.

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