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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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One for Alpo
    #1642718 - 06/18/03 05:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"For example, according to Robert Rector, an economist with the Heritage Foundation who uses the government's numbers, the typical person in the poorest fifth of U.S. households today spends as much as the person of average wealth in the early 1970s (adjusted for inflation).

The typical "poor" American, according to census data, has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a VCR and a color TV. It should go without saying -but usually doesn't -that in, say, 1960, someone who had a color TV, a refrigerator, air conditioning and a car would not be considered poor. "


"Poor" people.


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1642732 - 06/18/03 05:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"a color TV, a refrigerator, air conditioning and a car "

Thats it?!?....how can they live?...i should work harder so they can better enjoy the fruits of my labour....


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1642774 - 06/18/03 06:15 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

There's more to being poor than just having material possessions.


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: Edame]
    #1642784 - 06/18/03 06:20 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Dont you mean more to being poor than not having material possesions?...if so what?

Or do you mean like food, and clean water and stuff?...if so they need to get thier priorities straight....


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1642831 - 06/18/03 06:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The second one. :smile:  How many millions of Americans don't have proper healthcare, education, housing?  I just don't consider whether or not someone has a TV to be a good indicator of whether they are 'poor' or not.

I agree with the guy though that the standard of living in this day and age, is higher, for more people, than at any other time in history (and I try to remind myself of that often).  I just don't think the rich should get richer off other people's suffering, I think we live in an age where it's possible for the standard of living to be even higher, for everyone.


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The above is an extract from my fictional novel, "The random postings of Edame".
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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1642962 - 06/18/03 07:30 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I actually agree with this guy that being poor is relative. There will ALWAYS be poor people no matter what, because even if you're a millionaire, you're poor if everyone else is a billionaire. Sure, you're doing OK, but you're still poor because of your relative postion in society.

But Johah (the author of the article) completely misses the point. Johah says as long as you're doing OK, then you shouldn't bitch about being "poor". But what he ignores is what is causing the gap between rich and poor. If it's that some people work harder than others, then fine. But what if the "poor" are paying 40% income tax and the rich are paying 10%? Then that's unfair, and the "poor" have a valid right to complain.


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: Cornholio]
    #1642965 - 06/18/03 07:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

But what if the "poor" are paying 40% income tax and the rich are paying 10%? Then that's unfair, and the "poor" have a valid right to complain.



Then it's a good thing that doesn't actually happen.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1642970 - 06/18/03 07:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Most of those poor still can't afford $300 a month for health insurance.


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1642975 - 06/18/03 07:36 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Cornholio: what if the "poor" are paying 40% income tax and the rich are paying 10%? Then that's unfair, and the "poor" have a valid right to complain.

luvdemshrooms: Then it's a good thing that doesn't actually happen.


IF:
a : in the event that b : allowing that c : on the assumption that d : on condition that


you (and the author of the article) completely miss the point, as Cornholio pointed out. if poverty is relative, then the level of poverty is ALWAYS dependent on the GAP between rich and poor.




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Re: One for Alpo [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1642977 - 06/18/03 07:38 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Baby_Hitler said:
Most of those poor still can't afford $300 a month for health insurance.



So what. Care is available for those with need.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1642981 - 06/18/03 07:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Actually the point as I see it is that the poor, for the most part, aren't actually poor, just not as well to do.

Or to put it more simply, most of them have nothing to bitch about.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1642984 - 06/18/03 07:42 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Then why do some people still have to choose between food and medicine.


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1642992 - 06/18/03 07:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Baby_Hitler said:
Then why do some people still have to choose between food and medicine.



Some choose not to accept help, some don't realize it's there.

Some would probably do just fine on what they have if they didn't buy cigs, booze, and drugs.

Some are just fools.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1643028 - 06/18/03 08:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly. And the gap is going to get wider if Bush continues to give the rich additional unfair tax breaks, like cutting the capital gains tax.


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: Edame]
    #1643187 - 06/19/03 01:22 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Edame said:
I just don't think the rich should get richer off other people's suffering



How exactly is this happening?


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: z@z.com]
    #1643352 - 06/19/03 02:21 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

luvdemshrooms - - you're fucked up in the head man. did you get raped by a republican as a child? have a military family? cause you spout some really crazy shit.


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: Malachi]
    #1643598 - 06/19/03 04:28 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The funny thing is he considers posting this kinda stuff to some complete stranger on a shroom board "a respite from the boredom" of his life. You can only pity someone who'se that bored  :grin:


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: Xlea321]
    #1643705 - 06/19/03 06:02 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'd think the pity would go to some poor schmuck who's still posting about boredom a day later.

Laugh clown, laugh.


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: Malachi]
    #1643707 - 06/19/03 06:04 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Malachi said:
luvdemshrooms - - you're fucked up in the head man. did you get raped by a republican as a child? have a military family? cause you spout some really crazy shit.



No, and no.

Actually, it's only crazy to those who think most people are pathetic losers who are unable to care for themselves.


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Re: One for Alpo [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1643714 - 06/19/03 06:11 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The thing is you really don't sound like you're laughing luv. The more you post the more you make it obvious that your life really is so boring that posting insults about a complete stranger is the only fun you have.


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