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OfflinePhluck
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Complete goofiness.
    #850728 - 08/29/02 09:55 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

All this talk about conspiracies and nonsense... I think it's completely ridiculous. The government is doing all kinds of crazy shit, and they are completely open about it. You really don't need to make up fairy tales, just read a fucking newspaper.


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Re: Complete goofiness. [Re: Phluck]
    #850787 - 08/29/02 10:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You mean the boogie man isn't out to get me after all? You mean the black ops helicopters, the Armys' mind controlling ray guns, and the satelites that are telling my cat to attack me are all figments of my imagination? You mean I can take my foil hat off now?
What am I supposed to do with all of my free time then? I love a good ghost story to scare the bejeebers out of myself, and government conspiracy theories and cover ups are my favorite time wasting hobby. Now what am I going to do? Leave the house? Get a job? Go on a date? I think not! I love my conspiracy ghost stories and I'm sticking to 'em!


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Re: Complete goofiness. [Re: Phluck]
    #850828 - 08/29/02 10:42 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

The government is doing all kinds of crazy shit, and they are completely open about it


I beg to differ, they may be open about certain things, but the only time they volunteer information is when they are forced to...that's why the public needs to constantly question it's goverments motives for EVERYTHING they do. And much of it isn't conspiracy "theory"...it is conspiracy fact. To think that the government is completely forthcoming is extremely naive...


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Re: Complete goofiness. [Re: Phluck]
    #851069 - 08/29/02 12:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Pluck, is that Santa's dick stuck up your ass? Time to do some growing up, lad, and put it back in your mouth where it belongs...


The Top Five Lies About
The 'War On Terrorism'
http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/ain/top-five-lies.html
11-3-1

How many people do you know who claim to be skeptical, who pride themselves on their distrust for authority, who like to pretend that they're wise to the ways of the world -- and then, every time there's a war, they swallow the lies of the government with all the gullibility of a three-year-old child in the lap of a department store Santa Claus? Don't fall into that trap yourself! Learn to identify and refute official misinformation when you see it. Let's count down some of the common misconceptions about this war:


Lie #5: "We're not at war with the Afghan people -- look, we're bringing them food!"

Reality: Afghanistan is in the midst of a severe drought which threatens literally millions of people with starvation. Even before the threat of U.S. bombing, the World Food Program (WFP) said that nearly 6 million people were in need of immediate food assistance. When the threat of war caused massive movements of refugees and internally displaced people, the WFP raised that number to 7.5 million. UN agencies were keeping huge numbers of people alive, but the war danger -- as well as the U.S. demand that Pakistan seal its border with Afghanistan -- caused the WFP to suspend deliveries of wheat flour to the country. We have no idea how many people have already died as a result. Meanwhile, the U.S. dropped 37,000 individually-wrapped packages of food from the sky. You do the math. That's enough to feed about 37,000 people for one day, in a country where seven and a half million are in danger of starvation. Additionally, the spokesman for an international charity active in Afghanistan told the London Independent that "Random food drops are the worst possible way of delivering food aid. They cause more problems than they solve." Not the least of which is the fact that Afghanistan has the highest number of unexploded land mines in the world. There are already 10 or 15 mine incidents every day, and with people scrambling into mine-ridden areas to pick up random packages of food dropped from U.S. planes, that number is only going to go up.


Lie #4: "Oil? Who said anything about oil?"

Reality: The Caspian Sea region has potentially the world's largest oil reserves, likely making Central Asia the next Middle East. The problem is piping it out. Afghanistan occupies a strategic position between the Caspian and the markets of the Indian subcontinent and east Asia. It's prime territory for building pipelines, which is why the oil company Unocal -- as well as the U.S. government -- welcomed the Taliban's rise to power in 1996 as a promising source of "stability." That turned out to be a pipe dream (so to speak), but people like our Commander-in-Chief and the oil men around him have never given up on the tremendous profit possibilities that Central Asia offers. And if you don't think such considerations are crossing their minds at this time of crisis, may we suggest a refresher course in The Facts of Life?


Lie #3: "The U.S. is trying to liberate the people of Afghanistan from Taliban tyranny."

Reality: The U.S., Russia, and Iran have been aiding a rough coalition of armed groups called the Northern Alliance. The Northern Alliance's fighters are drawn mainly from ethnic minority groups in Afghanistan who have been persecuted by the Taliban. But their record is also a bloody one. Groups like the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA), which have been fighting against fundamentalism and for democracy in Afghanistan for years, have publicly stated that the fundamentalist gangsters of the Northern Alliance are not an acceptable alternative to the fundamentalist gangsters of the Taliban. No wonder: Human Rights Watch implicates the Northern Alliance in "indiscriminate aerial bombardment and shelling, direct attacks on civilians, summary executions, rape, persecution on the basis of religion or ethnicity, the recruitment and use of children as soldiers, and the use of antipersonnel landmines." By now everyone knows that Osama bin Laden was among the mujihadin recruited by the CIA to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Meet the next generation.


Lie #2: "America is coming together."

Reality: Tens of thousands of people have been laid off in the airline industry alone. The government quickly responded to the airline industry crisis with a multi-billion-dollar bailout package for the companies in order to keep afloat the profits of shareholders and the salaries of CEOs, but when it came to aiding the thousands of workers laid off, Congressman Dick Armey said that that would be contrary to "the American spirit." Maybe it is. Maybe it's the "American spirit" to make common working people pay for a crisis and to bear the burdens of an expensive war. But it certainly doesn't have anything to do with "togetherness."


And the biggest lie of all . . .

Lie #1: "It's possible to win a 'war against terrorism.'"

Reality: Terrorism is a tactic, not a political or social force in and of itself. Anyone can use it, and the idea that you can wage a "war" against it is as dishonest as the idea behind the "War on Drugs." The use of food as a political weapon, indiscriminate aerial bombardment, and the arming of gangsterish groups of religious fanatics all count as "terrorism" by any reasonable definition of the word, and the United States has long employed all of them -- and more. This war is really about sordid material interests and power (see especially Lies numbers 2 and 4, above), and in defense of these interests the U.S. is prepared to shift the label "terrorist" as it sees fit, to apply to all manner of dissident political movements and not just marginal bands of fanatics like bin Laden's al-Qa'ida. Conversely, it's willing to call its own terrorists "freedom fighters" (see Lie number 3 above). Maybe some of them will get transformed into "terrorists" again in a few years. It's a sick game and a charade, and the government is manipulating the very real grief and anger of the people of the United States after the September 11 atrocities to get us all to fall for it again. Don't believe them for a second. ___

Produced by the Anti-War Committee of Students in Solidarity at the University of Pittsburgh


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Re: Complete goofiness. [Re: amanita3]
    #851087 - 08/29/02 12:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

And the biggest lie of all . . .

Lie #1: "It's possible to win a 'war against terrorism.'"

Reality: Terrorism is a tactic, not a political or social force in and of itself.



Hey, you can't use logic or rational thought... this is a political discussion forum!



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Re: Complete goofiness. [Re: ]
    #851179 - 08/29/02 01:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Whoops! Sorry, Evolving. I forgot. Mental "Slippage".


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Re: Complete goofiness. [Re: amanita3]
    #851526 - 08/29/02 05:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think you understood the point of my post at all. I'm not saying to believe what the government tells you. They make lots of wild statements, lie and misrepresent the truth all the time.

They don't need to do any of that X-Files bullshit, it's all nonsense.

I agree pretty much 100% with the article you posted. None of it even remotely implies conspiracy goofiness, just regular government arrogance.

Does Bush honestly believe that they're "liberating the afghan people"? Of course he does.

The government isn't run by a bunch of top secret back room advisors who say "what evil deeds can we do for profit?"

They ask themselves, "what do we have to do to help make life better for the american people?". If the answer involves blowing up skinny brown people, then that's just necessary losses for them. I believe 100% that the american government thinks it's doing the most morally correct thing possible, but I don't believe that they ARE doing the most morally correct thing possible.

Understand now?

And no, that's not Santa's dick... (was this some kind of reference I'm supposed to get?)


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Re: Complete goofiness. [Re: Phluck]
    #851579 - 08/29/02 06:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

wow..is hell freezing over? I actually agree...

however i'm not naive enough to think that they are totally open about things


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Re: Complete goofiness. [Re: Phluck]
    #851677 - 08/29/02 06:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Spoken like a true puppet of the FreeMason conspiracy.


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Re: Complete goofiness. [Re: Phluck]
    #851778 - 08/29/02 07:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well Phlucky..I guess this is where I'm just gonna have to disagree with ya. I think the way you stated the goverment may have been true 50 years ago...but not anymore. Because I do think they are corrupt bastards that are looking for ways to turn a profit...remember anything about the S&L scandal? It was estimated that with the money stolen they could have housed 5 million families.


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Re: Complete goofiness. [Re: Rono]
    #852137 - 08/29/02 10:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

It doesn't matter if it could have fed every person on the world ten times over. There's a difference between corrupt and evil. Even Hitler believed he was working in the best interest of humanity. Just because people don't stick to their ideals doesn't mean that they don't think that they do. Pretty much every single person to do something "evil" doesn't think of what they do as wrong. People are always able to justify their actions to themselves.

I'm not saying that the government is totally open, I'm saying that the vast majority of the information is right there, you just have to look everything over, and think for a few seconds. I guess you also need to filter out the bullshit, which in this case usually fits into two catagories: zombie-like patriotism, or paranoid delusional conspiracy theories.


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    #852234 - 08/29/02 10:50 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Complete goofiness. [Re: Macey Howard]
    #852664 - 08/30/02 07:45 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Amen.


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Re: Complete goofiness. [Re: Anonymous]
    #17517599 - 01/08/13 04:14 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

OK well, I'm not being goofy...I swear I'm telling the truth.  Alien beings are being beamed down to Earth, they are putting little chips in humans heads that makes them stupid.

Cows will soon be taking over the earth.  The Cow Revolution is about to begin.


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