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InvisibleSwami
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Mental Masturbation
    #1629980 - 06/12/03 10:58 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I would describe MM as a discussion or thought process that cannot possibly lead anywhere, no matter how many people join the discussion nor how long the debate continues. Like Physical Masturbation, it is for entertainment purposes only, but unlike PM; there is no climax.

A topic like Life After Death would qualify in the Swami definition. One can theorize for their whole life, but no facts can be gathered; nor any hypothesis be tested. Mushroom journeys tell you about mushroom journeys and N.D.E.s tell you about N.D.E.s. Period. Neither speaks of what lies beyond.

An even more insidious form of MM, is totally baseless "concepts" like,"When we become more evolved, telekinesis and telepathy will become commonplace." Take that sort of drivel to the Science Fiction forum, please.

Subjects like the Origin of Life would not qualify as MM, for even though we may never know the complete answer; through the fields of geology, archaeology, biochemistry, cosmology, etc. more and more pieces of the puzzle are supplied.

Entertainment and "stoner talk" is fine (something I am never guilty of :smile:), but if you want to really to expand your knowledege through these discussions, then choose topics for which more data may be uncovered or ideas put to the test. In short, avoid MM like "the clap".

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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Swami]
    #1630004 - 06/12/03 11:15 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Mental masturbation is an interesting way of putting it, but I see what you mean.

This is why I do not bother clicking on threads with topics such as "Life After Death," etc.  It is interesting to theorize and see what other people's thoughts on the subject are, but it really gets you nowhere.

It's like blue balls of the brain, I guess. :smile:

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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Swami]
    #1630006 - 06/12/03 11:15 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I disagree.
Mental Maturbation is solitary by definition isn't it?
The classification is surely a misnomer


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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: castaway]
    #1630052 - 06/12/03 11:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Castaway is right. Once there is a respondent to the first post, it is no longer strictly speaking "masturbation", but instead a "circle jerk".

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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Swami]
    #1630054 - 06/12/03 11:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

So I guess that makes this forum one big circle jerk.

Sorry, couldn't resist.


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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Phred]
    #1630056 - 06/12/03 11:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

You beat me to it, bastard.  :smile: 


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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: ]
    #1630058 - 06/12/03 11:46 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

You snooze, you lose.

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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Phred]
    #1630337 - 06/13/03 02:08 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

But are we actually ever listening to each other during an MM session?


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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Phred]
    #1630345 - 06/13/03 02:12 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

it's only MM to you fellows, to the true believer talking about NDE's and mushroom trips (and the amazingly coincidental similarities) is far from useless. perhaps you guys are old? disinchanted? not getting good shrooms? low doses?

you're right, conventional sciences aren't up to the kind of investigation that a tripper is undertaking... maybe if para-psychology was actually funded... which is why communication of this sort, which you label "metal masterbation" is really necessary.... not to metion fun to talk about.

this _is_ a site about mushrooms, remember..... in


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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Malachi]
    #1630366 - 06/13/03 02:21 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

What does "being disenchanted" have to do with anything?

If a subject cannot be researched, refined, or tested; it qualifies as MM regardless of the level of enthusiasm or mental state of the poster.

What deep insights or knowledge have we gained in 50+ years (and hundreds of millions of man-years of MM) of UFO "research"?


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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Malachi]
    #1630373 - 06/13/03 02:23 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

perhaps you guys are old? disinchanted? not getting good shrooms? low doses?

Just because a people do not share the same beliefs as you is no reason to make unwarranted assumptions about them.  To each his own.

Peace, bra! :smile:

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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Swami]
    #1630415 - 06/13/03 02:41 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

disenchantment might account for the mental state of someone who wants to clamp down on tripped out people from talking about tripping.

trips can be researched, the research can even be refined in a manner. "testing", of course, plays a factor in research.

if we are to limit discussion to only really tangible, quantifiable concerns, (which is what I take it you mean by "researched, refined, or tested") then where would you like people to consider any metaphysical issues, if not in the P&S board....?

man, I'm sorry to burst your conservative shell, but many issues, especially those surrounding tripping, require speculation and abstraction.

What I think is actually bugging you is nothing more that untrained exuberance. people are excited about the new world! it's in the trip, an evangelical urge... why restrict discussion to can be known? that's not a very good way to learn new things.

I, for one, think that there may very well be alot we can learn from tripping if, out of the many subjective accounts, consensus where to arise as to the real nature and message of the trip. deciphering god's language.


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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Swami]
    #1630428 - 06/13/03 02:46 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I've not seen it put quite that way, but I must admit I see your point, and it's very true. But, I look at it this way.."Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time" (I can't recall who said that). I suppose that's my bohemian nature asserting itself.. :grin: 


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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Malachi]
    #1630430 - 06/13/03 02:48 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

it's not unwarranted, man, you just disagree with my reasoning.

I think clamping down on trip talk = sign of repressed hostility for those who find profundity in their experiences.
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you think that this isn't true. but my arguement is sound. no unwarranted assumptions. I even think that it's valid.


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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Malachi]
    #1630443 - 06/13/03 02:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

is this post directed at me?


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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Swami]
    #1630515 - 06/13/03 03:35 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Oh I get it;

If the discussion isn't creative by the way of producing tangible results, then it is simply masturbation...Yes I see...But we are all a work in progress and the tangible results are just not immediately discernable.

The Universe was not created in one day. But I do see your point Swami...It may express a tad of impatience and intolerance on your part but it is deep nonetheless.


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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Swami]
    #1630522 - 06/13/03 03:37 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm a mental masturbation addict. I like to discuss things which have no known or definitive answer because I simply enjoy the conversation. I see nothing wrong with this. It exercises the mind.


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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: silversoul7]
    #1630533 - 06/13/03 03:43 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

it's all fun and games until somebody gets hurt



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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1630543 - 06/13/03 03:48 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I feel that was directed my way.
Is baiting Swami a frowned upon endeavor?
I admit I do get in trouble that way sometimes.
I'll try to keep my nose clean


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Re: Mental Masturbation [Re: Swami]
    #1630546 - 06/13/03 03:49 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Subjective at best.. but surely topics which are beyond the scope of the material senses are worthy of discussion on the Spirituality and Philosophy board on the Shroomery.

It's not about whether they are baseless or not. It is about expanding boundaries.


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