Anahata said:

Weather you see them as created from a rib or submissive in the sack, just about every woman i know (even the ones that appear confident and powerful) is in a way lesser than the guys i know. I'm sure on the cover they are sweet soft tender loving creatures, but when it comes to decision making or right from wrong choices they are comparable to animals. This doesn't mean i want to see women talkin sports and chuggin beers, that just stupid. But they cant seem to get there act together.

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Crystal G said:

You don't really know women, do you? I mean, you're obviously not popular with women, and probably don't have much experience dating or being around them. It seems like you are only getting your perception of women solely from what you watch on TV.

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Crystal G said:

If women are the ones that get angry, then howcome it's STEROIDS (which is a TESTOSTERONE-mimicker) that causes people to get "roid rage?" Testosterone has traditionally always been the "anger" hormone.

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there's a difference between "roid rage" and the topic we are discussing.  However that does lead me to one example of why women can be irrational, because their hormones flip flop so much, this leads to thinking with their feelings rather than logic.  Also some of the things u describe are things done in public, for attention, like fights in bars ect, its male dominance.  Which is different than say, a women flipping out in the kitchen over a dish rag and having a 20 minute argument with a wall.

when men get mad its usually over something logical, which is why they get mad, because they know they are right in their mind. When men get mad, it is more likely to come explosive because they have the power to do such things and also part of it is to show dominance/show off.  These events might stick in your head easier, but women start wayyyyyyy more fights directly/indirectly.  When women get mad they chirp their heads off and try to change the subject as many times as possible to try and confuse their prey.  Which I speculate is why u keep making personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with u rather than plainly discussing the topic at hand.

Also it comes as no surprize that in both women threads, a women has thrown the first stone.


as for babies and nursing ect, thats not dirty work, people who do those jobs 99% of the time come home just as clean as they left.  Those jobs also require strength, thats why they are trying to get more men into those fields.

No what im talking about is garbage man, sewers, duct work, things of that nature, where u come home and HAVE to take a shower.  Not once in my life have i ever seen a garbage "women" come to my house.  Not once have i ever seen a furnace "women" come to my house....NEVER.  And most furnace men, are small because big or fat people hate tight spaces and falling through ceilings.

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crazy women on the internet who need a 3 lb lobster before she will stop acting like something out of a planet of the apes movie.

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I am kind of like an ape, huh? that's actually pretty funny. Yea I tend to get pissed when I'm hungry. After I eat is the only time I'm tolerable to be around. It's an effect that happens when you stop taking addictive drugs.

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Crystal G said:

there's a difference between "roid rage" and the topic we are discussing.  However that does lead me to one example of why women can be irrational, because their hormones flip flop so much, this leads to thinking with their feelings rather than logic.  Also some of the things u describe are things done in public, for attention, like fights in bars ect, its male dominance.  Which is different than say, a women flipping out in the kitchen over a dish rag and having a 20 minute argument with a wall.

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when men get mad its usually over something logical, which is why they get mad, because they know they are right in their mind. When men get mad, it is more likely to come explosive because they have the power to do such things and also part of it is to show dominance/show off.  These events might stick in your head easier, but women start wayyyyyyy more fights directly/indirectly.  When women get mad they chirp their heads off and try to change the subject as many times as possible to try and confuse their prey.  Which I speculate is why u keep making personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with u rather than plainly discussing the topic at hand.

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Also it comes as no surprize that in both women threads, a women has thrown the first stone.

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Actually, I'm the perfect example of why I, as a woman, am so hostile. I actually produce 5 times more the amount of testosterone and androgens than the average woman, which is the reason I had to go on spironolactone and birth control pills to control my hormone levels. It's why I have such a deep voice, low body fat, and defined muscles (at least for a woman). I'd also be the first person to throw a punch and pull my gun out if we were having this argument IRL. Man, there were a few times I've seriously thought I was going to fucking kill somebody over a petty argument. (Which is completely related to the levels of MALE hormones in my body, take a look at who commits more violent crimes, MALES DO 90% of the time not women) Since I exhibit a lot of testosterone, I am insanely competitive and am the type of person who doesn't back down in an argument.

And BTW, having had both high levels of male hormones and female hormones (chemically-induced), I can say from personal experience, that it is always whenever my male hormone levels have been high, that I have been far more "emotional" and gotten angry so easily over illogical, stupid matters. I might be slightly more annoyed at times when I have high female hormones, but this is a very slight annoyance that hardly affects how I act. But as far as explosive, deranged, completely stupid and lacking in logic anger, that is when I've been high in male hormones.

So actually, using me as an example only PROVES MY POINT, that testosterone is the "anger-producing hormone."

By that very same token, if we have a thread where a bunch of members are posting about how black people are so irrational and angry and can't control their temper, and a black poster comes in obviously and rightfully pissed off (as he SHOULD BE), and then everybody goes in and makes a statement about how they were right, that this only PROVES black people can't control their tempers.

You see, if I were to sit down and shut up, it would be "See! Women are totally submissive and lesser beings!"
If I actually stand up for myself, it's "See! Women are totally irrational and angry beings!"
You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.

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as for babies and nursing ect, thats not dirty work, people who do those jobs 99% of the time come home just as clean as they left.  Those jobs also require strength, thats why they are trying to get more men into those fields.

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Crystal G said:

makaveli8x8 said:

crazy women on the internet who need a 3 lb lobster before she will stop acting like something out of a planet of the apes movie.

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I am kind of like an ape, huh? that's actually pretty funny. Yea I tend to get pissed when I'm hungry. After I eat is the only time I'm tolerable to be around. It's an effect that happens when you stop taking addictive drugs.

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Who the FUCK does that? I mean, unless they're actually mentally ill or something?

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there's a difference between "roid rage" and the topic we are discussing.  However that does lead me to one example of why women can be irrational, because their hormones flip flop so much, this leads to thinking with their feelings rather than logic.  Also some of the things u describe are things done in public, for attention, like fights in bars ect, its male dominance.  Which is different than say, a women flipping out in the kitchen over a dish rag and having a 20 minute argument with a wall.

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Women's hormones don't "flip flop," it gradually decreases in progesterone levels while gradually and slowly increasing in estrogen levels each month. And if you knew anything about biology, you will notice that men's hormones rely on a "cycle" too: http://myhormonesmademedoit.com/the-male-hormone-cycle/ It's not like you guys are stable either.

Different levels of testosterone contributes to things like anger and energy.

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when men get mad its usually over something logical, which is why they get mad, because they know they are right in their mind. When men get mad, it is more likely to come explosive because they have the power to do such things and also part of it is to show dominance/show off.  These events might stick in your head easier, but women start wayyyyyyy more fights directly/indirectly.  When women get mad they chirp their heads off and try to change the subject as many times as possible to try and confuse their prey.  Which I speculate is why u keep making personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with u rather than plainly discussing the topic at hand.

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Again, what the fuck is a "logical" anger? I just listed several examples where men have acted explosively and illogically given the situations. I see nothing "logical" about getting so angry about such inane, irrelevant matters.

And name some examples that are "illogical" angers to you? According to you, a woman who gets pissed off at you because you leave your dirty underwear all over the fucking place, forcing her to pick up after you, is acting "illogically." Except that you would probably shit a brick if the places were turned.

Men are far more likely to assault somebody over something stupid, or murder somebody in a blind rage. How the fuck is that "logical?"

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Also it comes as no surprize that in both women threads, a women has thrown the first stone.

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Actually, I'm the perfect example of why I, as a woman, am so hostile. I actually produce 5 times more the amount of testosterone and androgens than the average woman, which is the reason I had to go on spironolactone and birth control pills to control my hormone levels. It's why I have such a deep voice, low body fat, and defined muscles (at least for a woman). I'd also be the first person to throw a punch and pull my gun out if we were having this argument IRL. Man, there were a few times I've seriously thought I was going to fucking kill somebody over a petty argument. (Which is completely related to the levels of MALE hormones in my body, take a look at who commits more violent crimes, MALES DO 90% of the time not women) Since I exhibit a lot of testosterone, I am insanely competitive and am the type of person who doesn't back down in an argument.

And BTW, having had both high levels of male hormones and female hormones (chemically-induced), I can say from personal experience, that it is always whenever my male hormone levels have been high, that I have been far more "emotional" and gotten angry so easily over illogical, stupid matters. I might be slightly more annoyed at times when I have high female hormones, but this is a very slight annoyance that hardly affects how I act. But as far as explosive, deranged, completely stupid and lacking in logic anger, that is when I've been high in male hormones.

So actually, using me as an example only PROVES MY POINT, that testosterone is the "anger-producing hormone."

By that very same token, if we have a thread where a bunch of members are posting about how black people are so irrational and angry and can't control their temper, and a black poster comes in obviously and rightfully pissed off (as he SHOULD BE), and then everybody goes in and makes a statement about how they were right, that this only PROVES black people can't control their tempers.

You see, if I were to sit down and shut up, it would be "See! Women are totally submissive and lesser beings!"
If I actually stand up for myself, it's "See! Women are totally irrational and angry beings!"
You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.

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as for babies and nursing ect, thats not dirty work, people who do those jobs 99% of the time come home just as clean as they left.  Those jobs also require strength, thats why they are trying to get more men into those fields.

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Bullshit, why don't you think about WHY somebody who is working around sick people or babies would want to clean themselves constantly. It's to prevent spreading of disease or illness to people who are immunocomprised, duhhhhhhhh.

There have been plenty of times I have come home with my scrubs covered in blood and piss and feces and pus, you are full of shit and don't know what you are talking about. I highly doubt YOU have done ANY dirty work yourself, so unless you personally have, you should probably shut the fuck up and stop taking credit for OTHER PEOPLE'S work.

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Crystal G said:

I've been here for 5 years now. Everything that I've said is legitimately true, while it might appear "crazy" or "extreme" to others. What, you want me to scan in my spironolactone Rx or something?

I think that's funny that you accuse ME of being the troll, when the person I'm responding to is clearly making the more offensive, troll-type statements than I am. I'm seriously contemplating whether HE'S the troll, and trying to bait me.

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Cervantes said:

No, but you can send me some pills.

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You wouldn't like spironolactone -_-; Spironolactone lowers androgen levels, and in men that causes impotence and premature ejaculation.

Plus it makes you sleepy and tired unless you already have super high testosterone levels

No psychonautic effect whatsoever. It's relatively useless.

Sowwy

If you're interested in gender-experimentation though, PM me. I think that's really cool if you are.

Crystal G said:

Cervantes said:

No, but you can send me some pills.

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You wouldn't like spironolactone -_-; Spironolactone lowers androgen levels, and in men that causes impotence and premature ejaculation.

Plus it makes you sleepy and tired unless you already have super high testosterone levels

No psychonautic effect whatsoever. It's relatively useless.

Sowwy

If you're interested in gender-experimentation though, PM me. I think that's really cool if you are.

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Women's hormones don't "flip flop,"

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Again, what the fuck is a "logical" anger?

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According to you, a woman who gets pissed off at you because you leave your dirty underwear all over the fucking place, forcing her to pick up after you, is acting "illogically." Except that you would probably shit a brick if the places were turned.

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Men are far more likely to assault somebody over something stupid, or murder somebody in a blind rage. How the fuck is that "logical?"

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I'm the perfect example of why I, as a woman, am so hostile I actually produce 5 times more the amount of testosterone

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im not sure how those levels compare to a mans, but first off your still a women so that automatically voids your point, just because your levels are high doesn't mean u can call yourself a man and then go and compare yourself to one.  Secondly this is why i said roid rage isn't the topic, were not talking about abnormalitys of each sex, were talking typicals.  The typical male i see has normal anger issues getting mad over real issues, and shows some domance from time to time. whereas the typical women i see has what i would call control issues, and lashes out at random things because she doesn't want to admit its really about control and which im guess comes from how she feels inferior to males and the power they hold. 

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Bullshit, why don't you think about WHY somebody who is working around sick people or babies would want to clean themselves constantly. It's to prevent spreading of disease or illness to people who are immunocomprised, duhhhhhhhh.

There have been plenty of times I have come home with my scrubs covered in blood and piss and feces and pus, you are full of shit and don't know what you are talking about. I highly doubt YOU have done ANY dirty work yourself, so unless you personally have, you should probably shut the fuck up and stop taking credit for OTHER PEOPLE'S work.

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that doesn't really make your job dirty, dangerous/nasty at times sure, but like i said 99% of the time your going to come home exactly like u left, unless your doing it wrong.  and your wrong, i have, ive worked at hospitals and next to broke sewage lines spewing tampons at me that someone flushed. And yah u guys do wash your hands alot, use gloves and protection all the time, if your doing your job right alot of times you'll go home CLEANER.  A garbage man is prolly lucky to get a uniform, but he has to deal with every single thing u do, ontop of mold and fungus and bugs and everything else and everything he doesn't know about, when he goes home he "feels" and "smells" dirty.

so when i say "dirty work" thats what i mean you get DIRTY with no sink nearby to cleanup every 20 mins.  You have an entire INDUSTRY supplying u with protective equipment so u don't

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the fact that women have periods/cramps/ect, that alone causes hormone changes.

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logical or the way i am trying to use it, is that there's a sound reason for doing such a thing.  Whereas unlogical anger, which i attribute to most of the women ive seen doing it, is where they are mad, just to be mad i think, and then the arguments happening during such time reflect that, as they don't make any sense.

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i can't remember all your examples, but men fighting has more than just "anger", like i said there is dominance and other issues going on.  And yes there are some men that act girly and to me those are just girl men, simple as that.  There's medications floating in our water, supposedly genetics like how people say "gay" men isn't a choice, these are rare examples tho and i don't think they apply.  Were compareing men and women the general charactoristics, not mutants vs mutants or diseased vs diseased---> aka people with medical problems.

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no, not according to me, thats your example not mine.  My example was in regards to a rag near a sink, and a women flipping out because it wasn't "exactly" where she wanted it.

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I view it as most men are more willing to take action, usually for something to gain or a bigger purpose, that doesn't make them "madder" or "irrational".

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So, according to you, murdering somebody in a blind rage is not "illogical," that's for a "bigger purpose." Right, I'd really love to see somebody use that in a legal defense.

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im not sure how those levels compare to a mans, but first off your still a women so that automatically voids your point, just because your levels are high doesn't mean u can call yourself a man and then go and compare yourself to one.

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no were debating a topic, you come in, debate the topic, then talk about how small my balls are or what color my underwear are and how pissed my mom is going to be.  Its really quiet difference, u have no reason to be mad, i don't care if u have balls or don't i never asked, and i don't go around trying to teabag anyone so...yah, i just debate the topic emotions aside.

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that doesn't really make your job dirty, dangerous/nasty at times sure, but like i said 99% of the time your going to come home exactly like u left, unless your doing it wrong.  and your wrong, i have, ive worked at hospitals and next to broke sewage lines spewing tampons at me that someone flushed. And yah u guys do wash your hands alot, use gloves and protection all the time, if your doing your job right alot of times you'll go home CLEANER.  A garbage man is prolly lucky to get a uniform, but he has to deal with every single thing u do, ontop of mold and fungus and bugs and everything else and everything he doesn't know about, when he goes home he "feels" and "smells" dirty.

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It's not some sharp, drastic change that causes uncontrollable mood swings.

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You can't simply say "Well the anomalies don't count," because biologically, they still COUNT as men/women.

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So, according to you, murdering somebody in a blind rage is not "logical," that's for a "bigger purpose." Right, I'd really love to see somebody use that in a legal defense.

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It's only when I'm high in male hormones, that I react far more emotionally and angrily. I can completely understand men when they get "roid rage" like symptoms.

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Please quote exactly where I talked about your balls, your underwear, or your mom's temper. Or whatever statements you thought that were analogous to those examples.

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According to you, a woman who gets pissed off at you because you leave your dirty underwear all over the fucking place, forcing her to pick up after you, is acting "illogically."

You don't really know women, do you? I mean, you're obviously not popular with women, and probably don't have much experience dating or being around them.

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put it in bold so it wouldn't get confusing.

oh guess it was in this thread "You must have been rejected by your own mommy as a child "

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Simply because nursing jobs aren't AS DIRTY as garbageman jobs, doesn't mean that those jobs aren't dirty at all, or as dirty as OTHER men's jobs. It simply means that it isn't as dirty as that particular job you mentioned.

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your changing the view, the point is that ive never seen women working jobs a,c d, h,i, m,o, p, and typically z.  So never seeing them there, and those jobs being really dirty, tells me women in general don't like dirty jobs, simple logic.  Well i suppose there's one other possible angle, maybe they just think they are too good to get that dirty, and those are "mens jobs".  I mean there social lives would be ruined if their girlfriends found out they were garbage men right?  They might even get confused and think they have a penis

again u have to remember were talking about in general never did i group all women or men together, thats been all you, maybe things have changed since we lost so many industry jobs and were more consumers now, but until someone shows me a chart or something i still think men are mostly in "get your hands dirty" fields.  Politics and such is a really small elite class of people.  I mean a city only has 1 mayor its a really small job force overall, and these jobs arn't so much about being "clean" but more about "power".

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whether it happens fast or slow its still a flip flop thats powerful enough to make u bleed for a week and not die well more or less.  now what were we even talking about again? we agree this affects the mind/mood right?  put the hormones completely aside, the symptoms of the period alone are enough to cause a mood change.

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thats also why ive been very clear in all my posts to state "most women" and "that ive seen" for this very issue of "there all the same" as that was never my point.  So perhaps i should restate my point to, most women that ive meet "possibly" have mental illnesses and/or control issues.

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So, according to you, murdering somebody in a blind rage is not "logical," that's for a "bigger purpose." Right, I'd really love to see somebody use that in a legal defense.

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Alot of those things are planned out, like college shootings, really any shooting i mean u have a gun u planned it out unless u always carry a gun which is a small percentage of people.

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but your trying to say it would effect you exactly how it would affect a male without a study or anything to back it up.  And secondly if u want to include mutants fine, but jacked on roids thats crossing the line a bit don't u think?  lastly all your really proving is how hormones can affect the mind when abnormal, which includes female hormones which obviously flutuate more during a monthly timeline than a males since we have no periods.  So roids/test at high levels = rage which i never denied, maybe those female ones = irrational emotional thinking.  Seems logical/possible to me.

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It has been studied in hormones. Men who have high testosterone levels also tend to be more violent and prone to anger problems. Hence why "roid rage" (which is a testosterone mimicker) causes "roid rage." It affects men and women the exact same way; it's not like testosterone would actually make women nice and sweet while making men deranged. Testosterone makes women horny too, just like it does with men. (Which probably, explains why I've always had such a high sex drive)

Sorry, but roid rage IS by very definition irrational and emotional. I don't know if you've ever met anybody who takes steroids, but I used to be involved with the bodybuilding community, and some of those guys who are jacked up on roids are fucking emotional as hell. They tend to punch anybody for any stupid reason, even for a comment that wasn't intended to be bad but they took it the wrong way. After their temper tantrums subside, they will start bawling and crying about their life. What the fuck is so "rational" about this type of anger?

Even guys who don't take hormones, who get angry easily like this, tend to be emotional like this, and often have 2 sides to their personality.

Again, you're claiming one type is "rational" anger while the other type is "irrational," without actually using any reasons or qualifications to back it up. (Seems you're not using any studies either, so just wondering why you would even bother pointing this out in somebody else's post)

Here's an interesting study for example, that says that women are actually more rational with money than men: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/25/women-more-rational-money-spending_n_1030664.html
Here is another one: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/7419775/Women-are-better-with-money-than-men-study-finds.html

My mother was one of those people that was much better with handling money and extremely frugal, which is why she was the one who handled all the checkbooks and bills.

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the balls were a joke but its obvious you try to make everything personal in these women threads, you did talk about someone's mother somewhere in here or the other thread, doesn't really matter if u wrote it to me or someone else.  Since i never once mention underwear you were obviously trying to talk smack to me like u do everyone else.

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your changing the view, the point is that ive never seen women working jobs a,c d, h,i, m,o, p, and typically z.  So never seeing them there, and those jobs being really dirty, tells me women in general don't like dirty jobs, simple logic.  Well i suppose there's one other possible angle, maybe they just think they are too good to get that dirty, and those are "mens jobs".  I mean there social lives would be ruined if their girlfriends found out they were garbage men right?  They might even get confused and think they have a penis

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never did i group all women or men together

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Politics and such is a really small elite class of people.

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Actually, you have, several times: "ive never seen women working jobs a,c d, h,i, m,o, p"

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There are ALWAYS going to be variations within the general population; not all men have "men's brains" and not all women have "women's brains."

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Not all men do "dirty" jobs either, in fact a lot of men stray against it, particularly if they are upper class, because they think it's "low class."

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Crystal G said:

zappaisgod said:

Crystal G said:

Acturally my current bf is a psychiatrist, and he says every year the schools have to accept more men,

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Your current BF is a psychiatrist yet you think that menopause occurs at 40 and that I should pay for your birth control pills?

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As I said in the other thread, menopause occurs for SOME women at age 40. It occurs as early as age 35 for some, and as late as 65 for others.

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blujay said:

You did not make that image,

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and that is not what that image was implying. That image is about psychedelic drugs.

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