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Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves
    #2160192 - 12/05/03 02:45 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I basically want to get this thought on paper so I can better communicate with my girlfriends; this will probably evolve into a disheartening topic that will evidently find its place in Support Group hehe :sad:. What do you guys think?
I'm reflecting upon this prospect of new age women and there "sexual revolution" outlook on the disgustful tainting of there bodies.  First of all, I feel like I have matured greatly in this field of life.  I don't want to get into what has happened personally but in the past year the love of my life passed away and I am still trying to pull myself out of this abyssal depression.  One of the things that drives me to a woman is the respect (if any) they have for there bodies. 

My past fianc? of almost 2 years who I slept in the same bed with, took showers with and planned the rest of our lives with I knew was moral and treated her body as a temple as did I.  Having sex in the name of love amplifies the experience 1000 fold then just doing it to "get off:.  Yes I had my flings in high school, especially when you are a senior and there are cute girls crawling everywhere....but still I got to know them as friends and spent time to get to recognize and identify there characteristics that attracted us to each other.  No....I did not lose my virginity to the love of my life (as I wish I did) but I did lose it to a girl that I knew and dated since 4'th grade, and when that precious moment came my junior year, of course we were unprepared and didn't really know what to do, but I'll always remember that day on the beach to be magical and our immature minds atleast thought we were in love. :loveeyes:

I have a lot of girl friend's ....like not romantic, just girlies I go on picnics with and clubbing with, dancing, talk and write poetry with trippin' with hehe.... and even for some reason a handful of them can't seem to understand why I don't agree to sleep with  them at times.  It almost seems my resistance fuels there ambition in a way but I am just not ready to be sexual with anybody after the love I have just experienced.... how can you go to the country fair after going to Disney World...right?  What bothers me more is these girls who are very attractive are influenced by disgusting propaganda that declares girls should sleep around as guys do....ex: "Sex in the City".  Even when I walk into a bar, I can tell the cock-grabbing sluts from the valuable quality girls and the just a little illustration, through my eyes, when I see a girl (not knowing her personality) in public and rate her a 10 (on a scale from 1-10) simply on appearance, that rating will drop to a 1 maybe 2 once I know she is heedless, whorish and uncaring concerning the purity of her body-soul.  It's almost like there attractive figures and faces alter physically (in a manner) followed by a total loss in interest.  As far I as know, I am alone on this attribute.

The piggish nature of the male is a defect of our gender and even though I am not personally influenced by it, this is NOT a quality women should adapt!!! It is a flaw in the male triggered by too much hormones.  I have guy friends too and I don't talk sex with them just cause most have such a nasty perspective on sex and we are on totally different pages on this subject. "Just hit em up" or whatever....GAG....;when it comes to sex, it's either will the girl satisfy me more than just jerking off or not"....man that makes my stomach turn with such a grotesque perspective of corrupting a woman's articulate being.  Any man who will have sex with a woman he barely knows, doesn't really care about "her" but just wants something to get off in...as gross as this may sound it is true.  For me, sex is a sacred act that should be approached with thought and concern for you and the partner.  So I am basically saying this: Any girl who has cared to read this post, please don't impurity yourselves with exterior influences. (one night stand-like relationships.) Saving your virginity till marriage is an almost impossible feat but at least save your magnificent, pure and beautiful bodies for somebody you deeply care for and appreciate.

I'm sure if this post gets any replies it will be mostly guys telling my 20 year old ass to shut the fuck up because they want girls who will easily spread there legs....but I'm sure they will someday understand when they fall in love.
Peace, Orizon   

edit by geo: added paragraphs for ease of reading


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
    #2160216 - 12/05/03 02:51 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Have faith, you are not alone. I like aggressive women, but if they're just out for the cock, they do drop, just as you mentioned.
I recently lost one of my loves, and the other just took her child from my apt (grumble bumble dammit) I agree. Respect yourselves ladies, don't pay attention to what you're expected or not expected to do..be yourselves. Some of us truly appreciate it.
So i can be flamed as well, i'm a mere 2 years older than the above poster, so feel free to include me in the barbcue.
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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
    #2160289 - 12/05/03 03:12 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Good post. I agree that women should respect their bodies because like you said their body is their temple. Same goes for guys. Everyone should respect their own body but there are so many people that don't. I've seen so many girls that don't, which is a quality in a girl that turns me off for the most part and makes them less appealing.

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Having sex in the name of love amplifies the experience 1000 fold then just doing it to "get off:




I agree.

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The piggish nature of the male is a defect of our gender ... It is a flaw in the male triggered by too much hormones




I don't think it's a flaw. It's just nature. It's the guy's nature to spread his seed wherever possible and it's the woman's nature to be picky about who plants the seed in her garden because she doesn't want a weed to grow, she wants a flower. The male's basic instincts lie more on the planting of the seed and less on the concern for where the seed will be planted. So it's not a defect, it's just that basic drive to spread your seed so your species will prevail.

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this is NOT a quality women should adapt!!!




I see where you're coming from. In a way, women are kinda going against nature when they sleep around a lot because they are being less selective. Contraceptives make this more possible. A woman on the pill for example can have sex with as many men as she wants without really worrying if his genes will make a good baby or if he'll make a good father.

I agree with you for the most part though. People should have more respect for their bodies and I agree that love really makes physical intimacy much more significant. But people like sex and people are gonna fuck. And with all the birth control pills and condoms and what not avaiable, girls are a lot quicker to give it up than they were 100 years ago.


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
    #2160354 - 12/05/03 03:39 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
    #2160373 - 12/05/03 03:46 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you for this beautiful post.

Let's also be cognizant of the attitudes with which we are raised. Even today, children are being raised with the outdated model of an ideal family: Male as head, female subserviant, male children favoured, female children second.

More specifically, women are brought up to believe that they must eventually bend to the wishes of men. Women's and teen women's magazines contain many images suggesting that the feminine role in society is to be beautiful, while the masculine role is to cherish that beauty. While subtle, this definitely conveys the attitude that women are second to men. It is also suggestive that a woman's power lies in her ability to manipulate men with sexual prowess or misrepresentation: honesty will not get her what she wants, only deception. The women that escape this conditioning appear most often as militant individuals touting feminine liberation, hating all things masculine. Such a reaction has a lot to teach us.


>> I don't think it's a flaw. It's just nature. It's the guy's nature to spread his seed wherever possible.

Like animals, we have the biological drive to populate as much as possible. But unlike animals, we possess the mental tools necessary to excercise restraint when engaging in intercourse which will bring harm to ourself or others. It is rapidly becoming a disdainful cop-out to fall back on our ties to nature when it comes sexual equality both in the bedroom and as a social paradigm.


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: kosmic_charlie]
    #2160382 - 12/05/03 03:48 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I guess mankind has found ways to sneak around natures consequences of casual and careless intercourse but that does'nt absolve the fact that they are tainting there bodies and impuryfying there souls. I guess that sounds a little jurrasic but that the way I see it. And man's nature of being sexually obsessive is a flaw despite being a part of our nature. Just like PMS is a natural flaw of a woman. When I have had girlfriends, I excused the abnormal and offensive personality due to PMS as simply a biological temporary state...It took me a while to first get used to but I eventually just learned to agree with everything they said, deal with the attitude and try to ease the pressure. This is the "nature of a woman"...that doesnt mean I can be bitchy for a few days out of the month and get away with it...right? It's nature but in my eyes, still considered a flaw.


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
    #2160468 - 12/05/03 04:43 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Good post, But consider yourself a lucky man (well luckier than me)
I'm a shy guy and can't even find a girl who likes me. Then again i have the social skills of a turd. damn now i'm even more depressed.

Anyway (try to) be happy with what you got becuase someone else always has far less.

my 2 pennies

I know this is a "poor pitiful me" post, but i'm just tired of trying and getting nowhere. Thanks for letting me vent people

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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: EvilEwok]
    #2160759 - 12/05/03 09:48 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Don't have such a low image of yourself...


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: shroomsi8]
    #2162119 - 12/05/03 05:32 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

hm well - i liked the post a lot. i agree with you completely. i lost my virginity in the worst way possible. It was young, foolish, and painful (physically and emotionally).

I can say, unfortunately, that with the people I have had sex with - there was only 1 person who I actually loved. No doubt, that was infact the best sex I have ever had. Not only was I physically stimulated but emotionally, we had this beautiful bond. I won't get so carried away... hehe.

I did make mistakes as far as having sex with other people. It was a big mistake. I wish I could take it all back completely. Unfortunately, I cannot, and instead of dwelling on the past I just want to think about the future and hm... I guess you could say gain back my virginity. Hehe. I will not be sleeping with ANYONE unless I really know in my heart I love them...

I know the feeling of being used ALL too well. I know the feeling of sleeping with a guy and then when you leave, feeling so used and disgusted with yourself that you wish you never did it. I could lie and say "well I just wanna get laid" but that wasn't the case really, I wanted to be cared for, even if it lasted that one night.

Now I am wiser - I'm still young but I feel that I finally understand that it's better to care for yourself every night instead of some fool caring for 1 night and even that is not a given.

I worry for my fellow women. I really do. I just know too many of them who depend on their bodies and looks to get them everywhere. Unfortunately, it will get them extremely far but I for-one would like to feel that I accomplished more than just sitting there trying to look pretty.

Eh, what are you gonna do?


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: Ped]
    #2162258 - 12/05/03 06:18 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with Ped. The sexual liberation movement of the 70 was about women having the right to say yes or no to sex. History and studies of different cultures suggests it is socialisation about what women as a group should and should not do that causes the attitude in our society that women should not have casual sex. Though, women have a biological sex drive. In some women it is higher or lower depending on the individual and women have the right to chose what they do with their bodies and should not be judged. Women feeling disgusting after casual sex is about internalising the socialised attitudes. Men disrespecting women is also about internalising the attitude - that just because it is a women who has casual sex for the sake of sex they are not worthy of respect. The act of sex is completely different from the individual involved and the relationship between the people and the latter should be judged on it's own merit rather than from narrow beliefs based on gender.


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
    #2162458 - 12/05/03 07:27 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Wonderful thread, man. :thumbup: :smile:


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: adrug]
    #2162757 - 12/05/03 09:50 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

... well I dont want 15 people jumping down my throat so im just going to say "I disagree"


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
    #2162851 - 12/05/03 10:48 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup: :heart: :sun: :loveeyes: :smile: :laugh: :thumbup: :sun: :loveeyes: :mushroom2: :smile: 


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
    #2162943 - 12/05/03 11:49 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Having been lifted to levels I never thought possible for years on end and then being abruptly plunged into the deepest depths of depression I never would have imagined myself capable of enduring - I fully agree with everything you have said :heart:

I have had intercourse with one woman, the only woman I have ever loved.  I've had access and even been asked for sexual gratification from the opposite sex since - but I will not take that offer until it is backed by the true love of another whom I care about beyond my own self.  I can't tell you if this decision is the right decision, but then I couldn't tell you what is right for you as what might be for you may not be for me.  Love is a ridiculously strong emotion that should never be taken for granted or manipulated - and sexual gratification while some may find it appropriate to engage in casually, is a path that has been closed to me ever since I experienced what it was like to love someone more than you love yourself.
 


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: geokills]
    #2163073 - 12/06/03 12:43 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

i quick replied..very slow modem.....

why is it wrong to have sex for the sake of having sex?

i dont know i came from an old school male female thing...but the fowardness of todays girls seems kinda refreshing...but then again i dont participate in the sexual culture anymore..just with my wife...now i dont think we should fux whatever... but having a fuck buddie or the like seems ok...adequate safeguards and precautions are key

i think your views are cool on sex and all..to each his/her own.. but i dont think a person should be looked down upon for having a reasonable sex life with different partners.


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: oDin]
    #2163205 - 12/06/03 01:54 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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oDin said:
i dont think a person should be looked down upon for having a reasonable sex life with different partners. 


I also agree completely with this statement.  To each their own - I was only letting you in on a glimse of my own personal psychological viewpoint :sun:
 


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: geokills]
    #2163235 - 12/06/03 02:17 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Behave as the animals do. They have no government. My 2 cents.


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: orizon]
    #2163243 - 12/06/03 02:21 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

this is the best post i've seen here in a long time. i was beginning to think that i was the only guy that thought along these lines.

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orizon said:
when I see a girl (not knowing her personality) in public and rate her a 10 (on a scale from 1-10) simply on appearance, that rating will drop to a 1 maybe 2 once I know she is heedless, whorish and uncaring concerning the purity of her body-soul. It's almost like there attractive figures and faces alter physically (in a manner) followed by a total loss in interest. As far I as know, I am alone on this attribute.




this really sucks. i don't even go out to the bars or clubs at all any more, because i just end up getting pissed off at myself for thinking the way i do. it makes it really hard to find a girlfriend.


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I have had intercourse with one woman, the only woman I have ever loved. I've had access and even been asked for sexual gratification from the opposite sex since - but I will not take that offer until it is backed by the true love of another whom I care about beyond my own self. I can't tell you if this decision is the right decision, but then I couldn't tell you what is right for you as what might be for you may not be for me.........




holy shit, man. i could have written that myself; we are in the same boat. i think that this is the rockiest road one can take in life and i'm going to be very disappointed if it turns out to be the wrong one.


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2163252 - 12/06/03 02:25 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

"The piggish nature of the male is a defect of our gender and even though I am not personally influenced by it, this is NOT a quality women should adapt!!! It is a flaw in the male triggered by too much hormones. "

"I don't think it's a flaw. It's just nature. It's the guy's nature to spread his seed wherever possible and it's the woman's nature to be picky about who plants the seed in her garden because she doesn't want a weed to grow, she wants a flower. The male's basic instincts lie more on the planting of the seed and less on the concern for where the seed will be planted. So it's not a defect, it's just that basic drive to spread your seed so your species will prevail. "

"Like animals, we have the biological drive to populate as much as possible. But unlike animals, we possess the mental tools necessary to excercise restraint when engaging in intercourse which will bring harm to ourself or others. It is rapidly becoming a disdainful cop-out to fall back on our ties to nature when it comes sexual equality both in the bedroom and as a social paradigm. "


No one can truly say that it is "natural" for man to do anything, because as far as any of us are concerned - there is no way to monitor the "natural" behavior of human beings, because we have been socializing ourselves to a particular archetype for thousands of years. I doubt there to be any "flaw" in males in regards to the way men behave toward women now - and we especially can't blame it on hormones. Nature vs. Nurture is a debate that will be argued for a long time to come, so why is everyone so quick to jump down the throat of "Nature", and pin everything on our "Nature", when, as far as any of us are concerned - we've never been in touch with it! We're raised in gender roles, and there are so many restrictions - what is a man, creates a woman - and what a woman is, creates a man.

Blahblahblah,
I'll leave it at this because I forget half of the items that have been presented to me over the past semester.

We can not rely on nature, because we can not truly see it!


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Re: Plead to Women who care to listen...Respect yourselves [Re: Phobos]
    #2163592 - 12/06/03 07:52 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

----I am posting my estimation of human natures' characteristics based from what I know and have been educated in "human nature"

"there is no way to monitor the "natural" behavior of human beings, because we have been socializing ourselves to a particular archetype for thousands of years."
---This gettin of track but I'll ride with it because it it interesting

    Of course I nor anybody else can relate human distinctiveness now to the way they were thousands of years ago because we have no means of comparison.  Who knows what the fundamentals of the first Homeosapien mind was when we crossed over the line from Neanderthalism 120,000 years ago!!!  Society has partially influenced my character but I believe the core essence of my individuality is within my spirit.  The influential archetype of social beliefs and traditions is a part of the evolution of the human mind.  There is no "natural" or universal nature of the human mind because everybody is of course different..... but there are physical and biological traits that exist within the composition of people that evolution has not perfected----yet(?).  I consider the human mind to be immensely beyond the physiology of any animal or living creature we know of.  In that respect, I truly believe our superior minds give human's an obligated responsibility to manage the imperfections (over-raging hormones-diseases-wisdom teeth :mad:).  which lead to pessimistic consequences (broken hearts-death-painful jaws :tongue:).  Ped rightly word's this, "Like animals, we have the biological drive to populate as much as possible. But unlike animals, we possess the mental tools necessary to excercise restraint when engaging in intercourse which will bring harm to our self or others."  I am not blaming nature nor hormones for human error but I still believe we possess the capabilities and should do everything in our power to improve on these imperfections.

Me and GEOkills are in the same frame of mind for we have experienced something that is indescribable and can only be related too if you indeed have experienced it yourself....perhaps this is why I am so strong-hearted on my opinions.

"We can not rely on nature, because we can not truly see it!"

Well, there are many things we can't rely on because we can't truly see them---I'm sure you can think of many without me listing examples .  The mystery's of the world can only be explained by an arrangement of best guesses and documented history and sometimes faith (that's science with a touch of philosophy) and until all unanswered questions are answered... human's quest for knowledge will linger on. 
Thanks for the pondering insight, Orizon   


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