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Being a regular citizen
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I don't post on the Shroomery anymore, but I sometimes lurk through a few threads. I have a peak of other people's lives and it sometimes leads to massive facepalming.

I was introduced to drugs by music, then Wikipedia, then the Shroomery. It wasn't a drug dealer or a stoned friend who led me to Salvia (my first drug if you skip the traditional pot and booze), it was just my curiosity. After two years or so, my interest in drugs slowly dropped until I didn't really care anymore. But the Shroomery is such a fun place!

Skimming some of the user's posts, I often wonder and ask myself why they chose such a lifestyle. Especially when a bunch of posters are replying to an OP stating that his best friend stabbed him for an ounce of weed, and that it's infortunate because his GF killed herself last week so he's pretty sad, and everyone is like "oh bro it sucks", while I'm like... "HOW IN HELL COULD THIS HAPPEN??"
I understand how people sometimes just don't have a choice, since I come myself from a very poor backround. However, I don't understand how American kids with many possibilities just choose to smoke weed all day, then do Xanax all day and then shoot heroin all day. I just don't see the appeal of drugs maybe? But after doing some of those I just can't understand how you can give up your life and have the shadiest friends ever just to have some MDMA everyday.

I'm sure a lot of people know the kind of posts I'm talking about. "My GF's a stripper and she cheated on me and she's back to shooting heroin", "I haven't heard of a friend in months, I think he OD'ed", "hey look at my cool apartment!"



I can understand the appeal of such a lifestyle in two cases: being a rebellious hippie, or a party-hard Charlie Sheen. Both have balls to live the life they live. But being a random pothead who's addicted to prescription meds? What's the appeal of it?

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Being a regular college student in my case...

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #2]
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I don't see whats not to like about being a random pot head addicted to anything. An addiction is something everyone needs at least one of. It gives them something to thrive for. It's all about the feel good man. :jah:

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #2]
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I'm blessed in that all I'm addicted to is porn and games. I like weed and I've tried everything else bar heroin and meth and I can take it or leave it.

I smoke weed to give me knowledge.

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #3]
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I might as well elaborate on this.

I don't like the idea of being Anti Anything. I just want to live my life as I see fit. But I could be described as Anti-Establishment, because it's corrupt as fuck all over the world. It tells us that war is good, peace and love is bad, and that thinking, and things that make you think (and I certainly feel like thinking when stoned) are to be severely discouraged.

One the one hand, it says things like booze, ciggies, fats and sugar are bad, whilst on the other hand we have aspartame, chemtrails, vaccines (not immunisations. If you are immunised, then you have immunity for life) and all sorts of artificial crap in every consumer product that poisons us.

The system is all about keeping people producing and consuming, or in the case of China, slaves just producing. They don't want you well and happy, people who are well and happy don't spend as much on medicines and crap to fill the empty hole in their life that advertising companies prey upon. They don't want you dead either, you can't make them as much money.

They want you to be working, consuming, being ill and paying lots of money until just before you get your pension, then on average, you'll be dead.

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #3]
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How can you NOT understand? Sick society breeds sick individuals. I wish my thoughts were more organized because I could talk for days. Just listen to Supertramp's The Logical Song. That is a pretty good explanation.

Basically, we grow up learning things like the golden rule, two wrongs don't make a right, sharing is caring, we live in a free country, etc.
Then we start thinking for ourselves and realize its all bullshit. I understand completely how someone can just piss their life away. You either conform to the oppressive ways of society or you are an outcast. Try to make a difference and you are going up against the entire power structure and 90% of the population who will defend their wrong way of life til the bitter end. So maybe it is not the drug addicted stoner who has the problem, maybe it is everyone else. We are on a path to destruction, acting as a parasite to this planet and it is not only accepted but encouraged. Then we are forced into bondage by means of debt, which is just a modern form of slavery. We can't even have a place to live without paying or owing. Every inch of land is owned by some body, which means just to have a place to call your own you must work, and never stop because if you ever stop you will lose everything. now tell me that is not slavery. Life fuckin sucks ass and it feels like a trap. Now if we are wise about it, we can have a place of our own, free and clear, with a few good years of work, assuming you can find a decent paying job and have the self-control to save money. Just have to live out in a less populated area where it is cheaper. Fact of the matter is there are far more low paying jobs than there are decent paying jobs. We are going against nature by the way we live. It is only natural to feel shitty about it.

I like #3's post.

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #3]
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Xanax makes me feel better, thats why I enjoy it, not so I can sleep in a bed surrounded by candles and a nodding girlfriend.

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #5] * 1
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Anon 3, define "they".

About this whole outcast thing: don't you realize that we all mostly conform, although at different levels? Potheads themselves conform to the weed culture, "psychonauts" often conform to the rejection of the ego concept, the love for Terrence McKenna and other "enlightened" people, same tastes (how is it that when you actually meet those people they're all dressed the same?).

Not only that, but this outcast attitude is also quite ethnocentric. You believe you've rejected all the norms while the way you dress, your sleeping habits, your love life, your eating habits, everything is inherited from the society you were born in. Even if you go to India to live in a small village you're still living as a "human being", within that norm.

You want to make a difference? Be nice to people, be nice to your family. Smile and create. Stop whining like a little emo teenage bitch about society who's oppressive and blablabla. Go to North Korea and tell them how oppressive your government is! No one is stopping you from bein an artist, no one is stopping you from not getting a job at a place you like, staying away from desks and cubicles. No one is stopping you from actually educating yourself in a broad way, without diving into this conspiracy shit. Many people criticise capitalism and consumerism. And yet they don't use it as an excuse to throw their lives away.
90% of the population is wrong? You might as well say that the earth should be flat. You're entitled to your opinion but keep in mind you're simply denying REALITY.

You can always reject civilization by the way, go live in the forest or something. But, surprise! It's actually way harder than having a full-time job. A job will make you a slave of comfort, a life as a wild hunter will make you slave of your own survival struggle.
Who's making a difference? A junky ODing on heroin in a filthy basement or this nice retired grandpa who always says hello with a big smile to people he meets?

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I can definitely see where you’re coming from OP, now days I kind of have the same perspective.  I read some of these posts and im amazed at the situations some of our shroomrite brethren find themselves in.

I look back at my days of “psychedelic enlightenment” and how important it was to me all those years ago.  But now I just see it as chemicals in the brain, and now I get enlightenment from sobriety and all of the amazing things it allows me to go out and do..  But go trying to explain another form of enlightenment to these cats, sometimes I feel like these people put way too much emphasis on psychedelic use, in fact I almost see it as juvenile now.  And if someone doesn’t like psychedelics here they are deemed crazy, or told that they aren’t doing it right…

I definitely feel like I missed out on a lot doing so many drugs, and feel that pot was one of the most destructive forces in my life for years.  Even the fond memories I have that involve drugs seem to fade in significance as I get older.  I’ve been involved with the shroomery for ten years and have very few posts because I’ve been out enjoying life, I don’t know how some of these people justify smoking pot and hanging out on this website all day long.  And honestly, it doesn’t feel right to criticize other poeple, but seeing as how everyone seems to be so critical of one another on this site now days it doesn’t really bother me to say all of this.

Edited by Anonymous (02/06/12 03:23 PM)

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #6] * 1
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Regular citizen?

Yes, that is what I hope that they believe.

Wooooo flying under the radar

:stircauldron:

Edited by Anonymous (02/06/12 03:52 PM)

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anonymous #1 said:
I can understand the appeal of such a lifestyle in two cases: being a rebellious hippie, or a party-hard Charlie Sheen. Both have balls to live the life they live. But being a random pothead who's addicted to prescription meds? What's the appeal of it?


One of my counselors in treatment answered this for me...it's basically the "thrill" of living on the edge of society.  Exhibiting anti-social behaviors just starts to be a way of life and you start to view yourself in this other light that is much more favorable than the reality.  You start to think you're a badass, that the life you're living is pretty sweet...but it's really your ego + drug abuse + your sick brain that's tricking you into thinking that.

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #8]
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I can relate to the thrill...it's an addiction or rush when you don't know if you're going to make it to payday, afford food, or even live another day...and then you somehow pull it off, you were dangerously close to the fringe, but you skidded by.

Then the funny thing is it will give you random anxiety when you are in phases of your life where you are doing good and comfortable and want to maintain, and then randomly you are like WTF was I doing why did I do that to myself.

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #8]
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Anonymous #8 said:
Anonymous #1 said:
I can understand the appeal of such a lifestyle in two cases: being a rebellious hippie, or a party-hard Charlie Sheen. Both have balls to live the life they live. But being a random pothead who's addicted to prescription meds? What's the appeal of it?


One of my counselors in treatment answered this for me...it's basically the "thrill" of living on the edge of society.  Exhibiting anti-social behaviors just starts to be a way of life and you start to view yourself in this other light that is much more favorable than the reality.  You start to think you're a badass, that the life you're living is pretty sweet...but it's really your ego + drug abuse + your sick brain that's tricking you into thinking that.


Nah bro, I don't "think" I'm a badass for living on the edge, I know I'm a badass.  :smirk:

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #10] * 1
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One thing leads to another and sometimes its a downward spiral, often stemming from repressed sexuality.

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #10] * 2
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Well, retarded (as in mentally handicapped) people often live in the edge of society, you know. Being borderline isn't an automatic guarantee of awesomeness.

Take a poor crazy homeless woman who lives in a cardboard box and a rockstar... they both live in the edge of society, don't they?
I feel like most posters here are closer to the crazy homeless woman, would it be in terms of lifestyle, money, talent, and available perspectives.

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #11]
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Anonymous #11 said:
One thing leads to another and sometimes its a downward spiral, often stemming from repressed sexuality.


Oh my God, how did you know?!

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Thats a very poor perspective. People make i'm broke and in debt threads because they need to vent. You don't see any i'm rich and happy threads because thats a common thing that nobody needs to hear.

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Well not exactly most of the posters here, but most of the younger posters who seem to have an "alternative" lifestyle.

And it's not just the "I'm broke" threads, it's every single poster who finds it pretty much normal to be surrounded by people who are shady, depressed, suicidal, addcited to at least three drugs, or mentally ill.
They also seem to find it normal to have a couple of friends die/go to jail/simply disappear while living in precarity and low hygiene.

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anonymous #1 said:
Well, retarded (as in mentally handicapped) people often live in the edge of society, you know. Being borderline isn't an automatic guarantee of awesomeness.



It has nothing to do with actual awesomeness or if you're really living on the edge of society.  It has everything to do with how your brain starts to react to and perceive certain things, namely reality.  It's an ego thing.  Like dealing drugs, getting high, hanging out around shade trees all day...your ego builds up this illusion of self...an illusion built up around the fact that you're breaking the law, hanging out with certain types of people or doing shit you're not supposed to do.  That's the edge I'm talking about. 

I also doubt this is going to make any sense to you if you already see a problem with it....kinda like why non-addicts are pretty much unable to understand why an addict does/acts certain ways.

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Re: Being a regular citizen [Re: Anonymous #8]
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i'm just gonna state that there are two sides to this story. both sides choose to succumb, though... the writer of the story is pleased.

those who oppose are the writers. simple.

pick one of these paths... either you work hard for a make-believe life... or you live in squalor admitting your humanity to be a disease; OR you can choose to write your path to follow. if you can keep up, you'll find that not only do people respect that more, but also they will understand and follow a possible more distinct path other then the two extreme opposites of the human condition.

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