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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Cracka_X]
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I think some ppl need to read thier history...timothy leary spent years in jail...he traversed the globe as a fugitive..sure sounds like some spy...but frauds dont go to some much trouble...really think about it after you have read up on him...he was on a personal mission...i think..we make the pedestals and place people on them..

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Learyfan]
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I don't think saying he caused alot of problems in the research field is in any way baseless.




I think people need a much more active role in politics before they are going to change anything. You have to start small. So toss politics out the window and do nothing but stair at your celtic tapestrys and black lights and watch the country go to hell in a bucket.


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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Cracka_X]
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Is there a word of truth in any of your statements? As far as I'm aware Leary only gave psilocybin to post-graduates. Not undergraduates.

Do you know anyone who "fried their brains"? Do you know anyone who left Harvard because they had "fried their brains"? Do you know anyone who'se future was affected by taking part in the psilocybin experiments?

BUT FOR WHAT???

Why do you equate taking LSD with "frying your brains down the psychedelic drain"?



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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: MetaMountain]
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Basically none of us know what really happened and there is a thousand versions of what really happened back then. I've read dozens of books that included many sections on the man and I don't trust him one bit.

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Learyfan]
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Should of called him the High Shepard.

That picture in your post is fucking ridiculous and exactly the kind of shit that annoys me.

I figure you to be a Hunter S. Thompson fan, no?

You should check out the new relix, nice article on him.

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Adom]
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Pyscedelic research was lost forever beecause of this asshole.

Not forever. It's only 40 years since they were made illegal. Times change, it won't stay like this forever.

You think it would have made any difference if they'd kept quiet about it? They tried that with MDMA and it eventually got made illegal just the same.


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Timothy Leary & Moody Blues [Re: Learyfan]
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Saw the Moody Blues in an outdoor concert in Florida shortly after Leary died. When they started playing "Timothy Leary's Dead" the most spectacular light show ever started, only it was not planned. A thunderstorm a few miles away provided pyrotechnics almost as if choreographed to the music (I was completely sober and straight) complete with different, shimmering colors of "heat" lightning and the occasional thunderbolt. The storm subsided or moved out of range as the song ended.

Everyone commented on the synchronicity; the band, the audience, even the reviewer in the local paper. Some thought it was the spirit of Dr. Leary putting on a performance for us.

As cool as it was, I wonder what it would have been like to have been tripping at the time...


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The proof is in the pudding.

Edited by Swami (03/26/03 09:48 AM)

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Adom]
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Timothy Leary was a great man, that is all I have to say. He is an inspiration to me and many others.

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Re: Timothy Leary & Moody Blues [Re: Swami]
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It was the ghost of leary being channelled by all those people who were surely tripping at the concert that made it happen.


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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Adom]
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More n more students and many would come back and MANY students dropped out and fried their brains from the man's goal of understanding it?

Cracka, you have made a few posts betraying your negative view on drugs, and there's another example right here. First off "frying" one's brain is not at all a medical term, so please be more specific. There are no negative physical side effects from dosing on LSD, so if you are talking about brain cells dying, then you're wrong. If you are talking about latent psychosis being brought out by LSD, then I'll point out that levels of psychosis in the general population and LSD users is the same, and if you're talking about LSD depositing in your spine.. then I'm not going to take on the responsibility of educating you.

Now, about dropping out, what's the problem? If I come to the conclusion that, say, school is a sham and jobs are bullshit, is that harming me? I've discovered a new way of life that I'm happier with, so what's wrong with that? I believe that people dropping out disturbs you because you're imposing your own views on other people. Remember, son, there are lots of different ways to approach life, and just because someone may have values drastically different than yours does not mean they are wrong. As you said, many students kept coming back for more LSD experiments of their own free will. Does that sound like forced dosing by the diabolical dr. Leary?

I think you miss the point these guys had big plans to change the world but all they did was talk about it and do drugs.

I don't understand.. what would you rather they did? And can anyone be blamed for having big plans and then never following through with them? My best friend and his girlfriend accidently conceived about a month ago. He's 21 years old, and a very talented guitar player. But, so much for being a rock star, it looks like he's got other stuff to do now, so should I stop being his friend, and call him a fraud? I suspect I need to answer that for you: NO!

It's entertaining to have people declare Tim Leary a worthless fraud. His status is completely subjective, so of course there is no right answer on whether or not he was great. He impacted some lives greatly and others despised him. Adom you say he didn't change the world, but remember that Jesus didn't convert the Romans to a peaceful love cult. I think your expectations are too high, because Tim definetly changed the world. "set and setting" for example. He outlined how to take hallucinogens to a society with no references on how to correctly do so.

This is an interesting subject to debate, but so far the argument against leary is weakly presented. Come on let's get it on!

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Cracka_X]
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Why are you making him out to be so evil? : P He created a moolecule and gave it to some people. We know he had no idea what he was doing at first, his dosages were off the wall. And I'll bet you anything he's had a trip so mind alteringly intense and spiritual, I believe him to really be doing what he views as god's work. Has he ruined lives? I dunno. But to say these people sit around getting high all day because of LSD is crap. Those people have probably had enough acid for a lifetime. Honestly I'd blame marijuana in this instance, but I dont blame the drugs at all. If you cant lead the world because you've had itty-bitty "mind-altering" molecules in your brain, you have larger problems than drug problems. You have an odd illness where your life crumples around stupid things.

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
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quick correction: harvey the wallbanger he didn't create LSD. Albert Hoffman did.

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Dogomush]
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I should've known that. Sorry. But technically I was still correct!! making a molecule from precursors is kinda creating : P

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Adom]
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he was a different walk of life .... if you let a leader of any sort take you to the valley of darkness its your own damn fault and it's not his fault he couldnt stop idiots from abusing his life's work. the man even said tripping wasn't for everybody.


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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Kemist]
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Too bad Bill Hicks is dead.........he could have been the next Tim Leary.  :frown:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Cracka_X]
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I would have to say NO

Leary was a great inspiration

Theres nothing wrong with LSD

Leary could have worked for the NWO

Things would be alot different today if he (or that period of time) didn't happen the way it did.

Leary WAS a great man


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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Adom]
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Quote:
politics is what runs this country like it or not, he could of had his little sheep make a difference, instead he got them to sit around and talk about it, then do more drugs and talk about it some more. Meanwhile doing nothing but taking more drugs and arranging some lamps and lights in certain ways doing jack shit but more drugs.. pretty good plan I'm glad to see the millions of enlightened people walking around from his great work.

No leaders
no guru's
no high priest

Pyscedelic research was lost forever beecause of this asshole.


Are you retarded. Working for the FBI, is that why the hunted him down like a dog as he fled from one country to the next. Is that why he spent 10+ years in prison for two roaches? You know he attempted to run for Governor of California, right? He was arrested in the middle of his campaign so he couldn't finish it off. He did nothing more than take drugs, are you aware of his books. He wrote a guide to the psychadelic experience, so millions all over the world could tune in. Maybe if your posts had a bit of truth I might be able to give you some respect. Are you mad that he and his people didn't play the game? I think progressing the mind is much more important than anything else. Like others have said, the 8 circuit model is brilliant. To come up with that is nothing short of amazing.


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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Cracka_X]
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As far as I know, he has a Ph D in Psychology, govt funded his experiments, Leary used Harvard students, students flunked n dropped out as a result of???? Leary was kicked out of Harvard for the bullshit. Leary wandered on to do whatever until he died.

Enlighten me onto whatever I missed or don't know.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Dogomush]
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Stop giving me the "drugs aren't bad" BULLSHIT. I tripped last week on shrooms, went to bed bout 3am and woke up at 1pm the nxt day. Then the whole nxt day was exhausted. Then I went to go work out and was greeted by sharp twinges in heavy weight. I'm now getting back to my normal self. STOP YOUR BULLSHIT, DRUGS ARE BAD FOR YOUR FUCKING BODY GOD DAMNIT AND IF YOU CAN'T ACCEPT IT THEN AT LEAST I KNOW WHO'S WRONG!!!

That whole "you don't use drugs, drugs use you" quote is true. Accept it and get over it.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Cracka_X]
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Quote:
Stop giving me the "drugs aren't bad" BULLSHIT. I tripped last week on shrooms, went to bed bout 3am and woke up at 1pm the nxt day. Then the whole nxt day was exhausted. Then I went to go work out and was greeted by sharp twinges in heavy weight. I'm now getting back to my normal self. STOP YOUR BULLSHIT, DRUGS ARE BAD FOR YOUR FUCKING BODY GOD DAMNIT AND IF YOU CAN'T ACCEPT IT THEN AT LEAST I KNOW WHO'S WRONG!!!

That whole "you don't use drugs, drugs use you" quote is true. Accept it and get over it.




Maybe you should quit wasting your life and get off the drugs if they are such a bad thing. As for me, I suffer no ill effects from the drugs I do. I say that because I accept responsibility for everything I do while on "drugs".

They don't make my life better in every way, but they sure as hell make it more pleasant.


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I may not always tell the truth, but atleast I'm honest
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I see what everyone is saying. It is so hard to form an opinion when you see both sides so clearly!

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