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Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging?
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There are supposedly two movies about the life of Timothy Leary under production and there also is a new biography of Timothy Leary by Robert Greenfield (Published June 1, 2006). Is there a renewed interest in this man, and consequentially in LSD, or is this just a coincidence?

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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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I do think there is a growing interest in psychedelics and consequently, about the first waves of the psychedelic movement in the 60s.


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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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Psychedelics reemerge because they cannot be consumed; they are essentially opposed to consumerism. As the western world tumbles into the abyss, everything becomes integrated into the paradigm of consumption, including mysticism (for we do not practice eastern religion, we consume it), and love (flat, superficial relationships; serial monogamy - consuming each other).

But you cannot consume a five gram trip. As everything becomes standardized, packaged and put into supermarket shelves, psychedelics become the one thing different in quality. In a world turning gray, interest in the rainbow will rise.

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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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i think salvia might be helping as well. i've been really suprised at the number, and diversity of people that i've heard smoking it.


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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: bobjones]
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i'm not sure if salvia is a good representative of the peace/love vibes associated with psychedelics.

but i bet it is rousing a lot of interest.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: leery11]
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leery11 said:
i'm not sure if salvia is a good representative of the peace/love vibes associated with psychedelics.


In my experience, there are no "peace/love vibes" associated with psychedelics.

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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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MushmanTheManic said:
Is there a renewed interest in this man, and consequentially in LSD, or is this just a coincidence?


Perhaps if there isn't already, these things will spark new interest in psychedelics.


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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: it stars saddam]
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itstarssaddam said:
leery11 said:
i'm not sure if salvia is a good representative of the peace/love vibes associated with psychedelics.


In my experience, there are no "peace/love vibes" associated with psychedelics.


how do they make you feel?


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: leery11]
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leery11 said:
itstarssaddam said:
leery11 said:
i'm not sure if salvia is a good representative of the peace/love vibes associated with psychedelics.


In my experience, there are no "peace/love vibes" associated with psychedelics.


how do they make you feel?


If his avatar is any indication, I don't want to know.


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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: leery11]
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Actually, speaking as one of them, I can tell you that a decent amount of geeks out there are gaining interest in psychadelics and the world of drugs altogether.

A perfect example:
Psychonauts is a very popular video game, the origin of the word psychonaut is buried in drug testing and characters very similiar to the late Dr. Leary


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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: Wasteland]
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Timothy Leary Was A


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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yup, i would have to agree with you. from wikipedia:

Leary cooperated with the FBI's investigation of the Weathermen and radical attorneys, and soon the underground became aware that he had become an informant, implicating friends and helpers in exchange for a reduced sentence. Leary would later claim no one was ever prosecuted based on any information he gave to the FBI (as noted in an Open Letter from the Friends of Timothy Leary:


The Weather Underground, the radical left organization responsible for his escape, was not impacted by his testimony. Histories written about the Weather Underground usually mention the Leary chapter in terms of the escape for which they proudly took credit. Leary sent information to the Weather Underground through a sympathetic prisoner that he was considering making a deal with the FBI and waited for their approval. The return message was "we understand."


While this claim evidently discounts the documented involvement of Leary in the set-up of Brotherhood of Eternal Love attorney George Chula and ignores his repeated attempts to set-up his fugitive ex-wife Rosemary, it should also be pointed out that Leary's affidavits and archives provided the government with a significant amount of intelligence on the American left and drug scenes and the lack of convictions directly based on Leary's testimony does not mean that his information did not strengthen the government's hand considerably.

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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: Deviate]
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I wouldn't expect anyone to be a martyr for a radical, left organization. If it was not for Timothy Leary, it is fact that you would not be utilizing this website right now, because it would not exist. Timothy Leary's role in the history of psychadelics is quite considerable, and no doubt, if it were not for him, situations would not have transpired to the point that, here we are. :shocked:

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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: fireworks_god]
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a fact? baseless statements are not facts. i mean that's like saying if columbus hadn't discovered america, europe would still be ignorant to its existence. timothy leary did not invent psychedelics, nor was he the only person writing about them at the time. there would still be drug use and drug websites without him. since today's drug users are willing to try just about anything, i find it difficult to fathom them somehow overlooking the entire class of psychedelics.

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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: Deviate]
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by today's standards Leary would be a major terrorist.

He dealt with Weather Underground, Black Panthers, Escaped from jail, and even fled to Afghanistan. AND he worked for the CIA. Doesn't get any closer to Bin Laden than that... heh.


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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: Deviate]
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It is a fact that Leary did more than anyone to popularize psychedelics. While we can't speak in certainties regarding "what if" scenarios, I find it highly unlikely that LSD would have become so popular and well-known without Timothy Leary. As that wikipedia entry admits, no convictions resulted from his information, so I hardly find cause in such actions to reject his vast contributions.


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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: Silversoul]
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but you can also argue that his "contributions" were largely responsible for psychedelics being made illegal when they were. i used to be a big fan of his and i read many of books but i never felt like they were that good (with the exception of the psychedelic experience. i guess i just don't see that much value in what he did.

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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: Deviate]
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I decided to be a fan of Leary even though he wasn't a perfect human. The Politics of Ecstasy was a powerful book when I first read it. Between him and Robert Anton Wilson among others, we got the information we desperately needed back in the 60s and 70s. IMO he had big balls and accomplished things not many of us here will equal in regards to the advancement of human evolution in this culture.

The fact that you don't see much value in his work may be because when he did it not that many psychedelic and spiritual doors were open to the average Joe. Now, because of men like him, the doors are open and others have carried the torch further.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said:
a fact? baseless statements are not facts.


You may dismiss a statement as you apparently do not understand the truth in it, but that does not mean the statement is baseless. It has a solid foundation - cause and effect. You know, the notion that every action has far-reaching consequences. Timothy Leary has obviously played a crucial role in the history of psychadelics, specifically regarding society's awareness of psychadelics and their usage of psychadelics, and this cannot be denied. Thus, anything that results after that point in regards to psychadelics has a sensitive dependance on the role of Timothy Leary.

Timothy Leary - awareness and social practice of using psychadelics - Shroomery. Almost seems to flow seamlessly, eh? To think that, if it were not for Timothy Leary, we would still be participating as this Shroomery, would deny the chain of events that have occured.

Firstly, we would not be having this conversation. Reality exists in this present state as the result of that which has preceded it. Considering that we all here know of Timothy Leary and realize his relationship with psychadelics, that would suggest that, without Timothy Leary, psychadelics would still be used exactly as they are right now, by the exact same people, and we would all gather and discuss them as this exact forum, with the exact same conversations and interactions? Excuse me while I proclaim that it simply could not be so.

It is interesting that you are willing to state that his role in the illegalization of psychadelics is clear, but will not acknowledge his crucial role in the proliferation of psychadelics and its culture. I'm not sure if this is because you interpret reality from a perspective clouded in negativity, or if you simply have a grudge agansit Timothy Leary. :shrug:

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i mean that's like saying if columbus hadn't discovered america, europe would still be ignorant to its existence.


Incorrect. Invalid analogy. While it should remain clear that, perhaps if Colombus' ships had sunk on their first voyage, denizens of Europe would still eventually discover America (as they already had before Colombus). The important understanding that needs to be emphasized is that, if events had not occured in exactly the same manner as they had, this present moment would be incredibly different.

It is almost as if, you do not care for certain effects of the man's actions, so you choose to deny the positive effects he has had, as they relate to psychadelics and to those who use them. Well, first and foremost, there are advantages and disadvantages to everything. Second off, such speculation of how it could have happened anyways without Timothy Leary are an idle activity of an imaginative mind, as it is crystal clear that Timothy Leary did play a signifigant role in the advancement of psychadelics.

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timothy leary did not invent psychedelics, nor was he the only person writing about them at the time.


And yet he is the one who played the role of proliferating usage and awareness of psychadelics. I wonder what exactly was the specific factor concerning himself and his behavior that allowed him to accomplish this? :smirk:

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  there would still be drug use and drug websites without him.


Speculation at most, and a statement that makes one question if it would have been on the same scale, to the same degree, with the exact effect... Who knows? No one does, because reality unfolded itself as it did. Tough shit, I know, but, as I have definitely asserted earlier, here we are, the direct result of behavior exhibited by Timothy Leary. :shocked:

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since today's drug users are willing to try just about anything, i find it difficult to fathom them somehow overlooking the entire class of psychedelics.


There wouldn't be "today's drug users" without "yesterday's drug users". Now, what role did Timothy Leary play in bringing yesterday's drug users to do these specific drugs? :doh:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

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Re: Interest in Timothy Leary reemerging? [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said:
but you can also argue that his "contributions" were largely responsible for psychedelics being made illegal when they were.


Almost as though he were the one that illegalized them, right? :rolleyes:

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i guess i just don't see that much value in what he did.


Yeah, because you seem to lack an understanding of reality and how it occurs.

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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