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Timothy Leary wasn't a great man.
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Timothy Leary did what? Dwelve into understanding LSD? He was a Harvard professor until after using many students or paying them to be a guinea pig in his experiements. More n more students and many would come back and MANY students dropped out and fried their brains from the man's goal of understanding it? Fucking Harvard University! It isn't what it is today, but back then it wasn't like o yea you graduated from harvard, more like OH SHIT YOU'RE A HARVARD GRADUATE GOD DAMN YOU'RE SPECIAL. You know what I'm trying to say. He did bring about a bigger understanding of it and some philosophy, BUT FOR WHAT??? To me it seems to have costed the education and future of many of this planet's great minds and flushed them down a psychidelic drain.

That's what I think, what're your thoughts?


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Cracka_X]
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good point.

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Cracka_X]
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I'd like to see what Learyfan has to say about this.


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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Cracka_X]
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"Fried their brains"
And how do you know that?
What does that even mean?

Maybe they dropped out because they realised that The System is bullshit and they no longer wanted to be a cog in the machine (a common side effect of LSD) once they graduated school.

Or yeah, maybe they just became retarded.

Edited by dee_N_ae (03/26/03 05:03 AM)

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Cracka_X]
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tim leary, richard alpert (a.k.a. ram dass) and ralph metzner have all enriched my life so much.... i absolutely adore the way each of their lives blossomed, i don't value one over the other, think one greater or less great, i think they're all.... truly wonderful.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Cracka_X]
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Where are you learyfan?





I don't think that he was necassarily a "great" man. He was a pioneer in a way. If nothing else he earned a little respect in my mind for standing against the status quo.




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I see what everyone is saying. It is so hard to form an opinion when you see both sides so clearly!

Edited by sirreal (03/26/03 05:28 AM)

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Cracka_X]
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he was a revolutionary and he tried for change, but the movement failed. that doesn't mean what he did was wrong. he tried to push the human mind to the limit, and challenge the concrete beliefs that people blindly adhere too. well, the wall of ignorance is thicker than you think. his ideas don't die with him, there is hope, it just takes another like him to lead. visionaries are often labeled fools.

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Cracka_X]
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his 8 circuits model was genius.

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: ]
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Timothy Leary was a fraud, I'm sad to see so many people decieved by his lies.

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Adom]
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Quote:
Timothy Leary was a fraud, I'm sad to see so many people decieved by his lies.




In some ways, maybe. I don't think he was a saint. But there is no evidence he was completely insincere. By calling him a fraud you are suggesting that he was insincere about what he claimed to believe in. What makes you say this?


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I see what everyone is saying. It is so hard to form an opinion when you see both sides so clearly!

Edited by sirreal (03/26/03 06:29 AM)

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Adom]
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i'm not too familiar with timothy leary, but i know his main points and what he stood for. i'm curious to know why he's a fraud though...?

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: sirreal]
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I firmly believe he worked for the FBI feeding misinformation to the youth drug culture to keep them further from political acitivism.

Hence the clash with the Pranksters
... the tune in turn on drop out
... destruction of true research
...



I like what Hunter S. Thompson says about the quack, check out Kingdom of Fear.

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Adom]
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If he worked for anyone it would have been the CIA..
My guess would be that he saw right through the political game and decided to focus his energies on other studies of the mind he deemed more important than political activism (enforcing what YOU believe is right on everyone else)

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: dee_N_ae]
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politics is what runs this country like it or not, he could of had his little sheep make a difference, instead he got them to sit around and talk about it, then do more drugs and talk about it some more. Meanwhile doing nothing but taking more drugs and arranging some lamps and lights in certain ways doing jack shit but more drugs.. pretty good plan I'm glad to see the millions of enlightened people walking around from his great work.

No leaders
no guru's
no high priest

Pyscedelic research was lost forever beecause of this asshole.

Edited by Adom (03/26/03 06:54 AM)

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Adom]
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gosh, very thoughtfull about him are you not. Why are you even here then? on the shroomery. We are are drugheads remember.


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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: summitstealth]
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Huh?
What?
Why are you here on the shroomery? Why not go some place where everyone thinks alike and has the same opinions?

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Adom]
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I don't think he was a great leader, but he devoted his life to a cause. God knows what ulterior motives he had though. He was very influential in his lifetime. He altered the lives of thousands+? of people. Whether his actions were beneficial or malevolent, they seem great.

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Adom]
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Maybe to you its "doing jack shit", but to others, the LSD experience was very important and valid. I ask the same question as summit, if the drug experience is irrelevant and meaningless to you, then why are you here on this board?


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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: Adom]
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Ok i'm here. I'm here. Nothing but baseless accusations about Leary though. dee-n-ae pretty much summed up the drop out thing, and the FBI/CIA thing was ridiculous.



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Edited by Learyfan (03/26/03 07:54 AM)

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Re: Timothy Leary wasn't a great man. [Re: chunder]
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I think you miss the point these guys had big plans to change the world but all they did was talk about it and do drugs.
I believe that tripping has something great to offer man kind and I think Leary fucked it up, big time. Thats just like my opinion, man.

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