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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: Envix]
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:FattyNoneck:


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: DieCommie]
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We are pretty fucking free in america but we're hardly a model society for the world.  Well, we are, but that's a problem that our culture is spreading imo. I don't see the problem so much in government as in the people.  A nation of sleepwalkers enslaved by their desires. It's up to each of us as americans to improve ourselves and detach from the fucking creature comforts we're all addicted to.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: DieCommie]
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My dad basically wants to suck Ron Paul's dick--he never stops talking about him.

It gets old. :mel:


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: g00ru]
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its not desire thats' holding people back its laziness.

the type of thinking you know.. "somebodyy else is probably doin' that so i don't need to do it"


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: Envix]
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“You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.”


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: thePatient]
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that's an odd thing to say.. as one can find peace in inner-freedom


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: DieCommie] * 1
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DieCommie said:
You're saying the millions of foreign people seeking freedom in the US every year are wrong?  Typical american youth ignorance and cynicism IMO.


Look at what America used to be compared to what it is now and what its becoming.

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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
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everything is relative though

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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 1
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i just don't understand the passion people have for their "freedom"

the government doesnt "give" you freedom. you're born free, into a society that puts restrictions on that freedom. and you wave a flag around celebrating woohoo

i appreciate that i don't live under dictator rule. but just because the US is "the best" doesn't make it fuckin good. you'vr still got a lot of shit to work out


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
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Mush 4 Brains said:
DieCommie said:
You're saying the millions of foreign people seeking freedom in the US every year are wrong?  Typical american youth ignorance and cynicism IMO.




There not seeking freedom :facepalm: There seeking work and a living. 1.3 million farmers were displaced cause of NAFTA, which opened up the borders for corporations to move in and flood the market with cheap corn and goods so they could put the farmers out of business buy up there land and employee them at near sweatshop rates that would be illegal in america Also robbing you americans of the jobs you could have been working. Economic enslavement by Transnational corporations.


Typical American ignorance.

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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
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Mush 4 Brains said:
zappaisgod said:
  A better example- whenever he's asked his personal opinion on something like abortion, he immediately says leave it up to the states.  Kinda dodges the question.

He's a REAL republican, an anti-federalist.  Leaving it up to the states is the correct answer.


I agree


i also agree. he's a small fed gov't kinda guy. he's not dodging the question, he's just not answering it the way the media wants him too.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: Envix]
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Envix said:
that's an odd thing to say.. as one can find peace in inner-freedom


I see what you did there.
These two terms are really relative though. The irony of the 'land of the free' is that it's made up of a nation enslaved by financial debt which is another form of indentured servitude. I think about the idea of ultimate freedom where one would be able to do whatever they desire regardless of moral value or consequence. Which of course is impossible with laws, human rights and other enforcing agents of Peace.  Someone said, "Your freedom ends where others begins" which basically equates to you being able to do anything up until a certain point; or until you infringe on someone elses freedom.
Going even further, where does our freedom begin and global peace end? Probably in our countries attempts at policing the rest of the world for things like supposed weapons of mass destruction. It's more like mass-distraction because we need the freedom to drive around burning up precious fossil fuels and we will compromise another countries peace to keep it that way.
/endrant


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: thePatient]
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I think about the idea of ultimate freedom where one would be able to do whatever they desire regardless of moral value or consequence.


that sounds to be more the definition of abundance.. than freedom

which can also be achieved through self-realization :bonghit2:


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: thePatient]
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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Envix said:
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Given that we are and have been for several decades the finest example of human freedom and accomplishment in the history of mankind


LOL you can't be serious


I think he is right on the money with that one.


Are you fucking serious??

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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said:
DieCommie said:
Envix said:
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Given that we are and have been for several decades the finest example of human freedom and accomplishment in the history of mankind


LOL you can't be serious


I think he is right on the money with that one.


Are you fucking serious??



for those of you who think the usa is "the finest example of human freedom" have you ever heard of Portugal? for those of you who think the usa is "the finest example" of  "accomplishment in the history of mankind" have you ever heard of the Roman empire? The Great Pyramids? Easter Island? Stonehenge? i mean Polynesians made it all the way to Hawaii, maybe even main land america in canoes...and you think marijuana prohibition and the fucking iPhone are examples of "the finest example of human freedom and accomplishment in the history of mankind" get a load off dude. read howard zinn sometime.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: broken]
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Envix said:
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Given that we are and have been for several decades the finest example of human freedom and accomplishment in the history of mankind


LOL you can't be serious


I think he is right on the money with that one.


Are you fucking serious??



for those of you who think the usa is "the finest example of human freedom" have you ever heard of Portugal? for those of you who think the usa is "the finest example" of  "accomplishment in the history of mankind" have you ever heard of the Roman empire? The Great Pyramids? Easter Island? Stonehenge? i mean Polynesians made it all the way to Hawaii, maybe even main land america in canoes...and you think marijuana prohibition and the fucking iPhone are examples of "the finest example of human freedom and accomplishment in the history of mankind" get a load off dude. read howard zinn sometime.


I haven't read Howard Zinn, but I hear him referenced frequently. I can't help but assume he is just another person writing another book biased by his own opinions about things. I guess I'll have to give it a read though.

As far as the whole libertarian stance is concerned, I see many people who get swept up by the "freedom" aspect of the movement, without considering other ramifications of their message. Yeah, I want pot to be legal, but I also am a firm believer in compassionate social services, which people like Ron Paul and other libertarians would LOVE to see completely destroyed.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: broken] * 3
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Stonehenge?  :facepalm: We put men on the moon.  Do you think the people if Rome or Egypt had the freedoms that people in America today do?  Polynesia?  They had fucking cannibals.  Portugal?  What of it?  They're totally fucked.  The bill for their freedom from work is come due and it isn't pretty.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: zappaisgod]
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I don't feel enslaved at all and honestly the only thing I feel repressed with is prohibition.  Times are changing though, we're moving forward, this country is not perfect but life is good here(for me it is at least) and I have faith that it will be better for my kids and grand kids.


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Re: Ron Paul is the MAN! [Re: PreparationH]
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There are those who would say that being born in the USA is like winning the birth lottery. I mean really, I don't work overly hard, and can afford to go out to eat whenever I want, go out for drinks whenever I want, buy and smoke all the weed that I want. It really is OK.


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