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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #7691115 - 11/28/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I hope that he will get elected but I am not sure whether it is the most important aspect right now. We are still in 2007 and the awareness of how bias the mass media is growing because of the Ron Paul campaign. Many more things are being questioned by more people that weren't before. Ron Paul might not win the White House, but he will certainly get a hell of a lot more minds thinking about how their societal structure works.

I expect Ron Paul to be a major catalyst towards the next American Revolution.. and that is more to do with if he loses.


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: WScott]
    #7691127 - 11/28/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If God intervenes then yes:grin:


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7691134 - 11/28/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't even consider ron paul a republican. I don't quite get why he is even affiliated w/ them.




You are obviously rather young with a limited grasp of this country's political history. Ron Paul has more in common with your classic republican than any other candidate. The republican party has been badly warped by the pandering to the Christian right that arguably began with Newt Gingrich, et al., and the "Contract with America". It could also be argued that it began with Regean and even Nixon, but it's still a fairly recent change.

Read a bit about Barry Goldwater, whose ideology was strikingly similar to Ron Paul's. Nobody in 1964 would have dreamed of saying that they didn't consider Goldwater a real repulican.


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Ziggen]
    #7691151 - 11/28/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I know that the republican party has been hijacked by neocons. I guess what I was saying was I'm not sure why he'd even wanna associate himself with the neocons (most republicans). But I understand why he would still represent the R and not the I.


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #7691351 - 11/28/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Have I seen him on TV? No. In conclusion, he won't win.


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7691745 - 11/28/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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So, if enough people change their registration in time to vote in the primaries, then he may come out strong, though he still probably won't win.

Still, my hope is that he wins enough votes to have the winners of the primaries take notice, and try to attract the votes of his supporters.




Agreed, and that's just what I did.  Libertarian gone Republican (at least in the short run), to throw my vote towards ol' man Paul. 

Whereas a couple of months ago many people didn't even know who he is, I've been seeing him get favorable coverage by many media news outlets recently (saw a segment on him on both MSNBC and CNN in the last 24 hours).  He is closing the gap, though admittedly he faces a very steep uphill battle. 

And to all the naysayers:

Progress is often slow, don't lose hope, and don't discount your vote!
Try to lighten up on the pessimism - Apathy sucks (the life out of you). :whip:


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: geokills]
    #7691789 - 11/28/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i sure fucking hope he stands a chance.


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: geokills]
    #7691793 - 11/28/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Instead of worrying about Ron Paul winning you should worry about everyone being mixed up on who to vote for besides Hillary, and her winning because of that.


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
    #7691795 - 11/28/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I was very excited to hear about his candidacy and was glad to hear he was getting a lot of funding and support, specially at grass roots level.




People are sick of the corrupt democrats and republicans.

We want someone with integrity who will get these parasites (welfare cases, special interest groups, gov't itself) off our backs.

Let the impoverished, civil rights cases, etc die - they do nothing anyway.


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7691822 - 11/28/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Why don't you like Ron Paul?

Anyways I'd say his chances are slim to none.



I like anyone who speaks truth to power, and I like some of the things he has to say. But he's an extremely conservative man with some typically conservative views on a number of issues. In particular, his Sanctity of Life Act, which he claims is all about "states rights," is an anti-abortion trojan horse. Anytime someone starts hollering about "states rights" on a national issue, you know they're up to no damn good. He's made it very clear he wants to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Then there's just the crackpot stuff, like wanting to abolish income tax, and his emulation of Grover Norquist about having a government small enough to drag into a bathtub and drown it. Everyone recognizes that Bush's maladministration is the most bloated monstrosity of all time, and much that has been added over the last 7 years must be stripped away, but...

Hey, wait a minute. This isn't the political forum. I'm getting carried away.


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
    #7692240 - 11/28/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Betting odds on his nomination are currently 5.6%, small but still within the realm of possibility. I trust betting odds more than random polls since people are putting actual money on the line. Let's hope his popularity continue to rise!


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Ythan]
    #7692649 - 11/28/07 08:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

if the United States of America cant elect Ron Paul to lead its republic, then i will be planning an exit strategy.
Fuck this country. It's doomed.
He is seriously the last hope, if it's even fixable.
I will move, learn a new language if i have to, just so that my future children/family dont have to be a part of this.

America is in real deep shit. There is a HUGE depression coming, and we currently dont have the leadership to face it. America is 15-20 years behind Great Britain. Study that, and youll know whats coming.


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Ythan]
    #7692697 - 11/28/07 09:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Doing my part to add to the positive propaganda! :wink:
Some clips I put together from tonight's debate:





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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: geokills]
    #7692829 - 11/28/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

man he's so stubborn, i love it :thumbup:


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #7692904 - 11/28/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I love how you guys all act like you know shit about the truth in politics.


Let me fill you in on a secret:

YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT.

Ron Paul probably doesn't even know his real odds of becoming president. What makes you think you do?

He's probably got about the same chance as any other candidate in the spotlight. Maybe slightly less because the media is fucking scared shitless of him.


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: LucidDream]
    #7692919 - 11/28/07 10:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Anytime someone starts hollering about "states rights" on a national issue, you know they're up to no damn good.




You sound like a god damned hopeless fascist.


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Serdal]
    #7692979 - 11/28/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Have I seen him on TV? No. In conclusion, he won't win.



I wouldn't bet on it. He is being blocked by the media because they know he would be a threat. Luckily, the internet can't be controlled as easily, and people are finding out about him. I think he will surprise many people with the support he gets. I'm not saying that he will win, but I think he has a better chance than people are claiming.


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: kake]
    #7694472 - 11/29/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Anytime someone starts hollering about "states rights" on a national issue, you know they're up to no damn good.




You sound like a god damned hopeless fascist.



You sound pretty clueless to me.


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: LucidDream]
    #7694512 - 11/29/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Allright can we just get back to the point?... that Ron Paul is the man with the master plan, who needs and deserves our support!  Tell the masses. :laugh:


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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: geokills]
    #7694600 - 11/29/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this whole ron paul phenomenon is pretty much identical to what happened in 2000 when ralph nader ran. from the legions of passionate young voters thinking a politician finally "gets it" and "talks straight" to them. the feeling that the whole experience is a catalyst for change in the right direction, even if the campaign itself is unsuccessful. the way the media has mostly shut him out ect. in the same way that he did much better than people expected, though it ultimately didn't matter at all, and politics continued on, business as usual.

this is all pretty much exactly the same. some idealistic fringe politician striking a chord and being quietly shoved aside and given a pat on the head at the end. i'm guessing some of you paul supporters were maybe to young to vote or didn't care back in 2000, but let me assure you, this really isn't anything new from my perspective. nader said alot of things that inspired people and alot of things that seemed like common sense answers about REAL issues. where did all that get him you ask? 5% of the vote and the animosity of every democrat in the country because ultimately it caused gore to lose.

nothing new here, just business as usual. paul will never win. it'd be nice if he did though. he could shake things up a bit. it'll never happen though.


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