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Does Ron Paul stand a chance?
#7689978 - 11/28/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was very excited to hear about his candidacy and was glad to hear he was getting a lot of funding and support, specially at grass roots level.
I only just looked at some polls though- He´s still only fourth favorite for the primaries, with a huge difference between him and Romney.
So does he even stand a chance?
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7689990 - 11/28/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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He WILL be the next pres.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7690028 - 11/28/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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In a word: no. And that makes me happy.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: LucidDream]
#7690043 - 11/28/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If every other candidate gets killed, then its a slight chance he would win. Someone better get busy, there are a lot of murders to commit.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: LucidDream]
#7690278 - 11/28/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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not even a slim chance.
its good that people try, but honestly, why bother?
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7690507 - 11/28/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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makes me so mad that Guiliani is more popular than Ron Paul.
soo mad.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7690519 - 11/28/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Unlikely, but not impossible IMO. He always polls much better at the Republican debates than he does in phone surveys of likely Republican voters. A major challenge that he seems to face is that a large portion of his supporters are not Republicans. So, if enough people change their registration in time to vote in the primaries, then he may come out strong, though he still probably won't win.
Still, my hope is that he wins enough votes to have the winners of the primaries take notice, and try to attract the votes of his supporters.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: LucidDream]
#7690596 - 11/28/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why don't you like Ron Paul?
Anyways I'd say his chances are slim to none.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7690609 - 11/28/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not a chance in hell.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7690674 - 11/28/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wish he did.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: ivi]
#7690875 - 11/28/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If he does, it'll be martial law and assassination by dawn.
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No way. This dumb country will settle for a moronic democratic that can't stand by his or her word and will spew welfare money to as many people as possible, or they will vote for a dumbass republican that whores out to corporations while supporting moral values that should have been left behind in the 1800s
Either way, the monoparty of republicans and democrats will succeed and the dumb clueless sheep will reign as a majority, like always.
I don't even consider ron paul a republican. I don't quite get why he is even affiliated w/ them.
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No way he will even win the primary. We are gonna be stuck with hillary as pres IMO.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7691021 - 11/28/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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All the other republic candidates are hypocritical douche-bags though. They say "our civil liberties and rights are not as important as our right to be kept alive" in a response to a question about terrorism. Yet they don't think we should withdraw from Iraq.
They don't believe in gay marriage, because they don't think babies should be born out of wedlock, (still doesn't make sense to me) yet they are against abortion.
They aren't doing ANYTHING useful. All they talk about it Iraq this, 9/11 that, terrorism this, what about health care? what about education? what happened to candidates giving a fuck about their country, and not the damn position of president? I hope to fucking god Ron Paul pulls ahead in the poles, every other republican candidate sounds like a broken record of impressed christian moral values, getting ready to siphon away our rights. I fucking hate politics.
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Visionary Tools said: If he does, it'll be martial law and assassination by dawn.
Too bad. I did hope he would bring some changes.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Stizzle]
#7691025 - 11/28/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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He probably wont win, but there is a chance I suppose
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Stizzle]
#7691030 - 11/28/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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we could elect 13 people at random from the population base, a giant hat with 300 million names in it. including babies mutants and robots.
policies will be based solely on augury and brainstorming of the 13
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: machination]
#7691057 - 11/28/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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sort of like the election lottery in the movie idiocracy.
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I hope that he will get elected but I am not sure whether it is the most important aspect right now. We are still in 2007 and the awareness of how bias the mass media is growing because of the Ron Paul campaign. Many more things are being questioned by more people that weren't before. Ron Paul might not win the White House, but he will certainly get a hell of a lot more minds thinking about how their societal structure works.
I expect Ron Paul to be a major catalyst towards the next American Revolution.. and that is more to do with if he loses.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: WScott]
#7691127 - 11/28/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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VisionsToReality said: I don't even consider ron paul a republican. I don't quite get why he is even affiliated w/ them.
You are obviously rather young with a limited grasp of this country's political history. Ron Paul has more in common with your classic republican than any other candidate. The republican party has been badly warped by the pandering to the Christian right that arguably began with Newt Gingrich, et al., and the "Contract with America". It could also be argued that it began with Regean and even Nixon, but it's still a fairly recent change.
Read a bit about Barry Goldwater, whose ideology was strikingly similar to Ron Paul's. Nobody in 1964 would have dreamed of saying that they didn't consider Goldwater a real repulican.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Ziggen]
#7691151 - 11/28/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know that the republican party has been hijacked by neocons. I guess what I was saying was I'm not sure why he'd even wanna associate himself with the neocons (most republicans). But I understand why he would still represent the R and not the I.
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Have I seen him on TV? No. In conclusion, he won't win.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
#7691745 - 11/28/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So, if enough people change their registration in time to vote in the primaries, then he may come out strong, though he still probably won't win.
Still, my hope is that he wins enough votes to have the winners of the primaries take notice, and try to attract the votes of his supporters.
Agreed, and that's just what I did. Libertarian gone Republican (at least in the short run), to throw my vote towards ol' man Paul.
Whereas a couple of months ago many people didn't even know who he is, I've been seeing him get favorable coverage by many media news outlets recently (saw a segment on him on both MSNBC and CNN in the last 24 hours). He is closing the gap, though admittedly he faces a very steep uphill battle.
And to all the naysayers:
Progress is often slow, don't lose hope, and don't discount your vote! Try to lighten up on the pessimism - Apathy sucks (the life out of you).
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: geokills]
#7691789 - 11/28/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i sure fucking hope he stands a chance.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: geokills]
#7691793 - 11/28/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Instead of worrying about Ron Paul winning you should worry about everyone being mixed up on who to vote for besides Hillary, and her winning because of that.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7691795 - 11/28/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomnibbler said: I was very excited to hear about his candidacy and was glad to hear he was getting a lot of funding and support, specially at grass roots level.
People are sick of the corrupt democrats and republicans.
We want someone with integrity who will get these parasites (welfare cases, special interest groups, gov't itself) off our backs.
Let the impoverished, civil rights cases, etc die - they do nothing anyway.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Wolfgang]
#7691822 - 11/28/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wolfgang said: Why don't you like Ron Paul?
Anyways I'd say his chances are slim to none.
I like anyone who speaks truth to power, and I like some of the things he has to say. But he's an extremely conservative man with some typically conservative views on a number of issues. In particular, his Sanctity of Life Act, which he claims is all about "states rights," is an anti-abortion trojan horse. Anytime someone starts hollering about "states rights" on a national issue, you know they're up to no damn good. He's made it very clear he wants to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Then there's just the crackpot stuff, like wanting to abolish income tax, and his emulation of Grover Norquist about having a government small enough to drag into a bathtub and drown it. Everyone recognizes that Bush's maladministration is the most bloated monstrosity of all time, and much that has been added over the last 7 years must be stripped away, but...
Hey, wait a minute. This isn't the political forum. I'm getting carried away.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7692240 - 11/28/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Betting odds on his nomination are currently 5.6%, small but still within the realm of possibility. I trust betting odds more than random polls since people are putting actual money on the line. Let's hope his popularity continue to rise!
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Ythan]
#7692649 - 11/28/07 08:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if the United States of America cant elect Ron Paul to lead its republic, then i will be planning an exit strategy. Fuck this country. It's doomed. He is seriously the last hope, if it's even fixable. I will move, learn a new language if i have to, just so that my future children/family dont have to be a part of this.
America is in real deep shit. There is a HUGE depression coming, and we currently dont have the leadership to face it. America is 15-20 years behind Great Britain. Study that, and youll know whats coming.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Ythan]
#7692697 - 11/28/07 09:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doing my part to add to the positive propaganda!  Some clips I put together from tonight's debate:
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: geokills]
#7692829 - 11/28/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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man he's so stubborn, i love it
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I love how you guys all act like you know shit about the truth in politics.
Let me fill you in on a secret:
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT.
Ron Paul probably doesn't even know his real odds of becoming president. What makes you think you do?
He's probably got about the same chance as any other candidate in the spotlight. Maybe slightly less because the media is fucking scared shitless of him.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: LucidDream]
#7692919 - 11/28/07 10:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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LucidDream said: Anytime someone starts hollering about "states rights" on a national issue, you know they're up to no damn good.
You sound like a god damned hopeless fascist.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Serdal]
#7692979 - 11/28/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Serdal said: Have I seen him on TV? No. In conclusion, he won't win.
I wouldn't bet on it. He is being blocked by the media because they know he would be a threat. Luckily, the internet can't be controlled as easily, and people are finding out about him. I think he will surprise many people with the support he gets. I'm not saying that he will win, but I think he has a better chance than people are claiming.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: kake]
#7694472 - 11/29/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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LucidDream said: Anytime someone starts hollering about "states rights" on a national issue, you know they're up to no damn good.
You sound like a god damned hopeless fascist.
You sound pretty clueless to me.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: LucidDream]
#7694512 - 11/29/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Allright can we just get back to the point?... that Ron Paul is the man with the master plan, who needs and deserves our support! Tell the masses.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: geokills]
#7694600 - 11/29/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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this whole ron paul phenomenon is pretty much identical to what happened in 2000 when ralph nader ran. from the legions of passionate young voters thinking a politician finally "gets it" and "talks straight" to them. the feeling that the whole experience is a catalyst for change in the right direction, even if the campaign itself is unsuccessful. the way the media has mostly shut him out ect. in the same way that he did much better than people expected, though it ultimately didn't matter at all, and politics continued on, business as usual.
this is all pretty much exactly the same. some idealistic fringe politician striking a chord and being quietly shoved aside and given a pat on the head at the end. i'm guessing some of you paul supporters were maybe to young to vote or didn't care back in 2000, but let me assure you, this really isn't anything new from my perspective. nader said alot of things that inspired people and alot of things that seemed like common sense answers about REAL issues. where did all that get him you ask? 5% of the vote and the animosity of every democrat in the country because ultimately it caused gore to lose.
nothing new here, just business as usual. paul will never win. it'd be nice if he did though. he could shake things up a bit. it'll never happen though.
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As small as the chance of him winning is, i really really hope he does.
If not no way in hell i'm going to America to study for university
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The difference between Nader and Paul though is that Paul can potentially lock down the republican nomination and get a whole lot of votes, something Nader could never do
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
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I've actually been struggling for a while as to whether I want to vote for Kucinich or Paul. I think I probably agree with Kucinich on more issues, but there's something about Ron Paul that's such a breath of fresh air. They're both speaking truth to power, but for me, Ron Paul more fully embodies the antithesis of the direction this country has been headed these past 8 years. In any case, I've already donated $50 to the Ron Paul campaign, so at least has my monetary support.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
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It's too bad that ron paul is anti abortion..
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VisionsToReality said: It's too bad that ron paul is anti abortion..
I agree. Me and Ron Paul disagree on alot of things, but really none of them are deal-breakers except for abortion. I know he says he's only advocating letting individual states decide for themselves, and not actual federal criminalization of abortion, but they're tantamount to the same thing. If you reverse Roe v. Wade, as Ron Paul has said should be done, there will undoubtedly be states in the South and West that would ban abortions immediately. To me, this is unacceptable.
The right of the states to pass whatever laws they want is not inviolate. If Mississippi were to pass a law tomorrow banning black people from walking the streets, the Federal Government would come down on them like a thunderstorm. Certain rights of people are and should be protected by the government from populist calls for their relinquishing.
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Madtowntripper said: The right of the states to pass whatever laws they want is not inviolate. If Mississippi were to pass a law tomorrow banning black people from walking the streets, the Federal Government would come down on them like a thunderstorm. Certain rights of people are and should be protected by the government from populist calls for their relinquishing.
I am pretty sure there have been amendments to the constitution (14th) that would protect people in that situation. Therefore, it would be the Federal government's job to free the blacks of Mississippi.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7695421 - 11/29/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm certainly not voting for him. He's way too conservative for my tastes.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7695439 - 11/29/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anything's possible...
(Especially in America)
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Shroomnibbler
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Nader and Paul are complete opposites. Nader is a socialist, Paul is classical liberal - a Libertarian. It doesn´t get much more opposite than that.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7706218 - 12/02/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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you completely missed the point of the comparison.
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I guess it´s over
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7887451 - 01/16/08 07:22 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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He still has some chance in the Republican primary, but it is an up-hill war.
For consideration:
McCain is almost completely broke (some more ads in South Carolina and that's it from what I heard - Ron Paul is running an eight-state media blitz in Super Tuesday states). Huckabee is pretty much out of money. Giuliani is asking aides to work for free. Ron Paul has millions, and he did not spend much in the first primary states (strategy ). Out of the three states that have had votes cast so far (Wyoming doesn't count), a different candidate has won each time. Nevada and South Carolina is next, and from what I understand, the official campaign has been focusing squarely on Nevada, which seems to be very favorable to Ron Paul compared to other states (similar hype about NH was false - they aren't libertarians, they are Massachusetts-style liberals).
The country is heading into a recession, and there is only one Republican that actually has an understanding of the economy and monetary policy - Ron Paul. This is a card that hopefully he will play very well.
Ron Paul is in a secure 4th place. He finished 2 to 1 over Fred Thompson and Rudy Giuliani in Michigan, a state in which he didn't campaign. 55,000 votes simply due to the grass-roots and general knowledge about the man.
Anyone calling the Republican race already is a damned fool. Ron Paul cleary doesn't have great odds at this point, but the race is still wide-open and the war hasn't even begun.
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have u noticed on fox new channel all they plaster is the faces of hillary and obama, its because they have ties with the illuminati.. if ron paul did somehow win and takes down the IRS and Fed i think he would be assasinated by then.. the presidents are no more than puppeters of the bilderberg group. its more like a choice of, who would u like to see as a new reporter telling u horrible news, like how were going to war in iran
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: wocka]
#7887491 - 01/16/08 07:46 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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well, he did win the republican vote on the myspace primary
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: StonedShroom]
#7887501 - 01/16/08 07:54 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Ron Paul won't win. Diebold have made sure his votes go to Hilliary and Ghouliani.
Why?
He's not a fucking cocaine dealing, child molesting criminal, that's why.
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Quote:
Visionary Tools said: Ron Paul won't win. Diebold have made sure his votes go to Hilliary and Ghouliani.
Why?
He's not a fucking cocaine dealing, child molesting criminal, that's why.
This doesn't make any sense. Where are all of Giuliani's votes, if this were the case?
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7887521 - 01/16/08 08:05 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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I don't see Ron Paul winning at all.
Ron Paul is smart, unorthodox and willing to break the status quo and start something new. The average American voter, how can I say this politely, isn't ready for that kind of change.
The thought that a woman or black man could become the next president is already all the controversy the general public can handle
The average Dutch voters are asses too. Theres just a huge gap between shroomerites or even internet people and their social circles, and your average Joe Blow who will do most of the voting.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Colbadol]
#7887609 - 01/16/08 09:09 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Colbadol said: makes me so mad that Guiliani is more popular than Ron Paul.
soo mad.
actually Rudy's done worse in the primaries so far than Ron
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Asante]
#7887621 - 01/16/08 09:17 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: I don't see Ron Paul winning at all. thank god
The average Dutch voters are asses too. Theres just a huge gap between shroomerites or even internet people and their social circles, and your average Joe Blow who will do most of the voting.
lol - too bad you are right
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No offense but that kind of vocal pessimism is extremely detrimental to our country I want to punch you in the nose
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Shroomnibbler]
#7887630 - 01/16/08 09:20 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Well it definitely helps to vote for him. The way I look at it is, vote Ron Paul or don't vote at all.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#7887631 - 01/16/08 09:20 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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you wouldn't hit a man with glasses on, now woul you?
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Ya, he looked like he had a chance in the beginning but now it looks like it will be Huckabee, McCain, or Romney as the next President. Did you see the numbers from the NH primary. There was about 15,000 democrat votes spread amongst their candidates and 125,000 republican voters or independents that voted republican. I think you will find that since Obamma and Hillary are so against each other that many of their supporters will not vote for the other should they get the nomination where as conservatives will vote for whoever gets the nomination. So it looks like the democrats have already lost, now it is just betweeen the republican primary to decide who the next president will be. Ron Paul is a liberal who calls himself a republican and Americans aren't stupid. Plus the ad he ran that said as an ER Dr he treated everyone regardless of income, um every er dr has no idea whether the person will pay or not but they are obligated so it was not like he did anything great, that was the best he could come up with for contributions to society...shows how pathetic/stupid he really is... The moment he said we will just take all the troops and send em home he proved he isn't capable of running the world's strongest military. GWB is doing a better job than Ron Paul could and that isn't saying much since GWB is special in the lil bus with a helmet kinda way!
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: rizingfire]
#7887647 - 01/16/08 09:27 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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>Ron Paul is a liberal who calls himself a republican and Americans aren't stupid.
That statement shows a great amount of political ignorance. I have not heard the numbers you have posted but its hard to believe that Republicans outvoted Democrats in the NH primary by over 8:1
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#7887650 - 01/16/08 09:28 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Aol posted the exact numbers and I copied them to another forum, I will go get em
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: rizingfire]
#7887656 - 01/16/08 09:32 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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I was wrong it was Iowa but here is the numbers
Obama- 940 votes Edwards- 744 Clinton-737 Richardson- 53 Bidden- 23 Dodd-1
Huckabee 40,841votes Romney 29,949 Thompson 15,904 McCain 15,559 Paul 11,817 Rudy 4097 Hunter 524
So it was dems 3k Reps 100+k
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: rizingfire]
#7887663 - 01/16/08 09:35 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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That's fucking scary.
I feel a little better that it was Iowa and not New Hampshire, but still that's fucking scary. This is a critical election. I am expecting the next president to be a democrat if it isn't Paul...which will totally suck.
The very fact that the Democrats are trying to push healthcare reform as a platoform shows how absolutely ignorant they are to the condition of our economy.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: rizingfire]
#7887682 - 01/16/08 09:47 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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The turnout was about the same number for both parties in most of the counties in NH, The democrats had about 1,000 more votes in 2 counties than the GOP but then were 14,000 people short of the GOP in Livingston area. So you are right. Only 12,000 more republicans voted than Democrats in the NH primary. Only about 21% showed up to vote. The numbers will probably be a lot higher once we see who the opposition has nominated, then the activist groups will be out lighting a fire under people to get em to vote. Paul got like 8% of the vote, not a winner.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: rizingfire]
#7887716 - 01/16/08 10:01 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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I agree with the healthcare stuff but I think socialist healthcare brings down the quality of medical service. Like when I had mass health and they wouldn't put me out to take my wisdom teeth out but had I had insurance other than what was provided by the govt I would have gotten real care as I am supposed to. Socialism is rediculous. I understand the economy and I also see that no democrat will fix it. It is ironic how the dems bitch about the rich republicans but blue states spend twice of their red counterparts. It is all lies with the liberals. The solution for healthcare should be privatised like Romney said. The govt foots the bill but you pick the plan, like harvard pilgrim, Blue Cross, etc. Give the country Mass Health and all you have done is assure that no one is getting adequit care, def not the answer. Notice the libbies didn't keep a single promise that they made to take the house and senate? They say bush keeps stopping them yet they have the power to override him if it is for something legit, just shows they can't. It was ironic that Bush's aproval rating was like 30% and withing a few months of the election the dems approval rating was at 12-15%. Plus you are forgetting that the census said 76.1% of the country claims they are Christian. It will be just like Bush/Kerry, whoever the Jerry Falwell and Rod Parsley crowd endorse will be the winner and no one that supports abortion or gay marriage will get it. It is silly to think they even have a shot IMO. So I would suggest the lesser of 3 evils, pick one otherwise it is a wasted vote, like the millions already spent by those who supposedly care about the poor. Both Hilary and Obamma know they have no chance but they are paving the way for several elections down the line. It is ironic that the money they spent every homeless person in the US could have been given a place to stay and aid. So when I hear them talk about how much they care, they don't care about anything but their cause, otherwise they would compromise and listen to the people. 300,000 voters in MA signed a petition saying they want to vote on gay marriage, a law that was passed illegally. See it isn't about doing things the right way or upholding the constitution since it was blatantly violated when the judical branch decided they should have the power of the legislature as well. It isn't about the voice of the people, it is about the voice of the party. That is why America as a whole hates the left. I always thought the Dems wer 1/3 of the population but from a conversation I overheard it seems they are more like 1/8 of the country with a lot of independents that swing conservatively. I want a leader who will listen to the people, family oriented, progress oriented, moral oriented, and most of all, reality oriented. I figured Rudy would be a good liberal compromise cuz he is pro choice....but I guess America doesn't agree
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#7887721 - 01/16/08 10:05 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Ron Paul is doing better than both Guilliani and Mccain so how is it that people are saying he has no chance? Are they watching Fox News?
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The sad part about this thread is that the first 75 percent of the posts are from November.
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EternalCowabunga said: Ron Paul is doing better than both Guilliani and Mccain so how is it that people are saying he has no chance? Are they watching Fox News?
Ron Paul is NOT doing better than Mccain, whom along with Romney is the front runner for the Republican nomination.
He has consistently beat out Guliani and Dead Fred Thompson, both of whom were at one time serious candidates.
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EternalCowabunga said: Ron Paul is doing better than both Guilliani and Mccain so how is it that people are saying he has no chance? Are they watching Fox News?
He may be doing better than Rudy , as for MCCain he could go either way but it looks like it will be Romney, Huckabee, or MCCain. I don't know where the info is coming from, none of the news stations around here are praising Paul. They aren't even talking about him so they must have written him off. He has 0 chance of getting the GOP nomination. The fact that he isn't capable of commanding a game of Risk, never mind control the worlds most powerful army. People see him for what he is. He may have some good solutions to things but as far as the total package goes I would rather see obama win and I hate democrats with a passion, since they stand for everything that is bad about America. If this was a democracy there would be no issues and no liberal control of anything.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: rizingfire]
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I don't know anyone who thinks Huckabee has a chance in hell of the nomination.
Him and Paul are both whackjobs.
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Ron Paul supporters got to face the facts: Ron Paul simply has a too large nose to be the next president.
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Re: Does Ron Paul stand a chance? [Re: SheerTerror]
#7892519 - 01/17/08 11:09 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Unfortunately, candidates like Paul have no chance of being elected unless there is a major crisis.
Fortunately(?) the perfect storm is headed this way.
But not in time to "save" Paul.
And only in modern America could returning to the Constitution be considered nutty. That shows you how far we have fallen away from our founding principles that sanity is seen as insanity.
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