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Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory.
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Anyone who wants a little mind blowing thoughts?


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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: Choix Sinaloa]
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:thumbup::thumbup:
this is more probable than many of the other fancy theories the so called "experts" have come up with.


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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: monkiman]
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George Lucas?


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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: FeedingMyDreams]
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:smile:

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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: lucas_southoz]
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The Egg
By: Andy Weir
 
You were on your way home when you died.
It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.
And that’s when you met me.
“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”
“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.
“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”
“Yup,” I said.
“I… I died?”
“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.
You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”
“More or less,” I said.
“Are you god?” You asked.
“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”
“My kids… my wife,” you said.
“What about them?”
“Will they be all right?”
“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”
You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.
“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”
“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”
“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”
“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”
“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”
You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”
“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”
“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”
“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”
I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.
“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”
“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”
“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”
“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”
“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”
“Where you come from?” You said.
“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”
“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”
“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”
“So what’s the point of it all?”
“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”
“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.
I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”
“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”
“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”
“Just me? What about everyone else?”
“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”
You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”
“All you. Different incarnations of you.”
“Wait. I’m everyone!?”
“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.
“I’m every human being who ever lived?”
“Or who will ever live, yes.”
“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”
“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.
“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.
“And you’re the millions he killed.”
“I’m Jesus?”
“And you’re everyone who followed him.”
You fell silent.
“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”
You thought for a long time.
“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”
“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”
“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”
“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”
“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”
“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”
And I sent you on your way.
 


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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: Choix Sinaloa]
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Wow:thumbup:


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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: Choix Sinaloa]
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Choix Sinaloa said:
The Egg
By: Andy Weir
 
You were on your way home when you died.
It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.
And that’s when you met me.
“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”
“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.
“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”
“Yup,” I said.
“I… I died?”
“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.
You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”
“More or less,” I said.
“Are you god?” You asked.
“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”
“My kids… my wife,” you said.
“What about them?”
“Will they be all right?”
“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”
You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.
“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”
“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”
“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”
“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”
“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”
You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”
“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”
“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”
“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”
I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.
“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”
“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”
“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”
“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”
“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”
“Where you come from?” You said.
“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”
“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”
“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”
“So what’s the point of it all?”
“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”
“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.
I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”
“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”
“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”
“Just me? What about everyone else?”
“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”
You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”
“All you. Different incarnations of you.”
“Wait. I’m everyone!?”
“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.
“I’m every human being who ever lived?”
“Or who will ever live, yes.”
“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”
“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.
“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.
“And you’re the millions he killed.”
“I’m Jesus?”
“And you’re everyone who followed him.”
You fell silent.
“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”
You thought for a long time.
“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”
“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”
“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”
“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”
“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”
“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”
And I sent you on your way.
 



i think just spent a good 30 minutes reading and pondering that


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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: owls]
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I think Alex Grey said it best:



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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: the spiral]
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I did a large part of my Biology end-of-the-year project on the stoned ape theory. Terence McKenna is the man.

I don't know if I agree with the Panspermia aspect of the theory though. That seems pretty out there. (Not saying it isn't plausible, just that it isn't probable (not that probability is worth anything in this existence))

This is a pretty well-done depiction of the theory as a whole for anyone who hasn't seen it: http://homepage.mac.com/languageismycopilot/backwardscitydotnet/review/01issue/pdf/rugg.pdf


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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: the spiral]
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I don't think that theories that give psychedelics ALL of the credit for the evolution of speech are meant to be taken seriously.  There are a zillion and one ways it can be argued - strongly - that it's not possible that it happened that way.

To those who argue that psychedelics have contributed to the variety and descriptive ability of the world's languages, giving us words and maybe even feelings that we otherwise would never have come up with, I say "That indeed is quite possible."

Mushrooms certainly can have a profound impact on one's PERSONAL evolution.  It's more than a stretch, though, to then try to link mushrooms to the evolution of our species.  Those changes that made speech possible - the upward migration of the voicebox, the hyoid bone, the brain structures specialized for language - took tens upon tens (more like hundreds) of thousands of years to proceed to the point where we are at now.  Unless you think someone went back in time with a hundred thousand year supply of mushrooms in a very generous mood, I can't see how that hypothesis could possibly hold up.


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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: Wiseman13]
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Wiseman13 said:
I did a large part of my Biology end-of-the-year project on the stoned ape theory. Terence McKenna is the man.

I don't know if I agree with the Panspermia aspect of the theory though. That seems pretty out there. (Not saying it isn't plausible, just that it isn't probable (not that probability is worth anything in this existence))

This is a pretty well-done depiction of the theory as a whole for anyone who hasn't seen it: http://homepage.mac.com/languageismycopilot/backwardscitydotnet/review/01issue/pdf/rugg.pdf



I was really sad when I found out that the stuff he said about psilocybe spores being the perfect shade of purple to survive cosmic radiation was a bunch of baloney.  Psilocybe spores survive as long in space as most other spores - on the order of minutes, if at all.

It's a very romantic idea, though, and I wish it was at least plausible.  I suppose spores being kept dormant inside a comet which then struck our proto-planet Earth is still a plausible idea, at least.  Still, it's not as romantic as thinking you may be seeding the Cosmos with life through your hobbies.

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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: the spiral]
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Yeah. I don't really believe his theory exactly how he preached it. I really like the idea of it though, and do think that it's quite possible that mushrooms could be responsible for the ascension to higher levels of consciousness. I also like the idea that the consumers of the mushrooms were at an evolutionary advantage because of the various effects that they had on the body and mind.


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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: Wiseman13]
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If Neanderthal's had developed a taste for psilocybin-producing mushrooms and we hadn't (we of course don't have any evidence that even we consumed them prior to the relatively recent future - the last few thousand years), do you think H. Sapiens would be the extinct species and the world would be a lot hairier in 2010 than it is?

What about the opposite idea: That Neanderthals with their higher metabolism and slightly larger brains were very visual thinkers and were practically purpose built for tripping.  They devoted themselves entirely to acquiring magic mushrooms, facing starvation and disease in the hope that under that next turd there might be a shroom.  They died out because mushrooms are "tuned" to the neanderthal brain in a way that they aren't to us.  The mushrooms killed off the neanderthals because to neanderthals, psilocybes were like ecstacy on crack on 2C-B.

Were that crazy scenario to actually be true, I'm not sure whether I'd think "awful nice for mushrooms to go to all that trouble to make sure we got the planet to ourselves" or "wtf?  you're psychefuckingdelics - genocide to the point of extinction of a sapient species has got to be the worst possible crime one can commit!  Don't get me wrong, I like you, but you're kinda crazy and you haev some issues you need to work out.  No...I need some time to myself.  Don't call me."

Edited by the spiral (12/19/10 12:24 AM)

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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: the spiral]
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So what you're asking is 'what if the Neanderthals were dependent on mushrooms, and failed to thrive because of a shortage of mushrooms'?

My problem with this idea is that I can't see evolution allowing a species to develop a dependence on any one thing that's fairly uncommon. Yeah, their bodies could have been built to better handle the psilocybin, but I don't think they'd need it.

I do think that their species acquiring an advantageous habit like psilocybin-consumption and our species not acquiring it could have caused things to be much different than they are now. I don't know that I'd blame the mushrooms for it. I think it lies more in the hands of the eater of the mushroom than the mushroom itself.


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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: Wiseman13]
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Perhaps it can work through generations by seeding out those who did not benefit as much from the mushroom? I think its plausible that those ancestors who took mushrooms and learned from there had a better advantage at staying alive through that gained knowledge. The ones that did not have that knowledge died out to upgrade the average intelligence over time. The bone structure and such is a good argument against it though.


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Re: Terence Mckenna, The stoned ape theory. [Re: 2Cents]
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2Cents said:
Wow:thumbup:



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Rocker232 said:
Perhaps it can work through generations by seeding out those who did not benefit as much from the mushroom? I think its plausible that those ancestors who took mushrooms and learned from there had a better advantage at staying alive through that gained knowledge. The ones that did not have that knowledge died out to upgrade the average intelligence over time. The bone structure and such is a good argument against it though.



Yeah, that's an interesting idea. McKenna's concept focuses on the physical advantages that a mushroom eater would have.

He cites the following effects for this:

In low doses, mushrooms will give the consumer higher visual and auditory acuity. With these changes, they'll have a better chance at avoiding predators, and also finding food.

In medium doses, mushrooms increase sexual libido. Those that eat them are more likely to reproduce, giving birth to offspring who are more likely to inhibit the mushroom-eating trait.

In large doses, mushrooms lead to consciousness expansion, and new thinking, and also developments in linguistics. After a considerable amount of generations, these high-dose effects start to become rooted in the species' consciousness.


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