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Terence McKenna and "The Civilisation Prejudice " (1946-2000 R.I.P)
    #5325912 - 02/21/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have been reading and pretty much enjoying T.McKenna's "The Archaic Revival" however (and I quote).."There have been psilocybin mushrooms reported from England and France, localities where, as far as we know there is no history of usage at all." (I despair sometimes) he then goes on to say "Hallucinogens are hardly welcome in agricultural societies." Which is at the very least contentious.
Honestly "Tel" get a grip!



(Dear Shroomerites I am leaving this thread as I originally began it before I knew of this lovely man's death -see P.2-)


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5326437 - 02/21/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

).."There have been psilocybin mushrooms reported from England and France, localities where, as far as we know there is no history of usage at all."

Historical usage, like in mexico.

"Hallucinogens are hardly welcome in agricultural societies."

He goes on to explain this in better detail. Off the top of my head he was speaking about the beginning of agricultural society in the first place. The settling down of man and formation of community, as opposed to the wandering hunters he was speaking of shortly before. His theories about a hallucinogen dissolving the ego, and the sex related things as well as the male "property" attitude are quite interesting.

Still, I don't know why he insists that mushrooms were the substance for any reason beyond the fact that he likes them. It could've been one of lots of different hallucinogenic plants. That, and the fact that I don't think there is much history of psilocybin mushrooms in africa besides that which developed into our transkei strain. Even so, that was in south africa. He does little to back up this idea.


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5327835 - 02/22/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

elgr said:
).."There have been psilocybin mushrooms reported from England and France, localities where, as far as we know there is no history of usage at all."

Historical usage, like in mexico.



"Hallucinogens are hardly welcome in agricultural societies."

He goes on to explain this in better detail. Off the top of my head he was speaking about the beginning of agricultural society in the first place. The settling down of man and formation of community, as opposed to the wandering hunters he was speaking of shortly before. His theories about a hallucinogen dissolving the ego, and the sex related things as well as the male "property" attitude are quite interesting.

Still, I don't know why he insists that mushrooms were the substance for any reason beyond the fact that he likes them. It could've been one of lots of different hallucinogenic plants. That, and the fact that I don't think there is much history of psilocybin mushrooms in africa besides that which developed into our transkei strain. Even so, that was in south africa. He does little to back up this idea.




Holy Jesus! Are both of you saying that Mesolithic Brethonic Society wasn't predicated on the ritualistic shamanic use of psilocybe semilanceata and amanita muscaria* (a substance which he goes on to term "unreliable" as an hallucinogen -please T shamanic vibrational contact withthe symbiote and application to it's preparation are essential for the use of amanita muscaria !-)? OOOOh there's so much in this particular chapter I disagree with, for a self-proclaimed Goddess worshiper he has a patriachal view of human evolution (more to follow with quotes when I've stopped steaming !)......

*Note: I have raised the question of the Mesolithic use of psilocybe cyanascens onsite before. There obviously has not been enough research done on the ritual use of psilocybe mushrooms in the Mesolithic period in Britain because I have been unable to establish whether our p.cyanascens is a different (European) strain of cyanascens, if it is a truly indigenous mushroom or if not how long it has been growing here.


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5327855 - 02/22/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i saw it all in a dream


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: eligal]
    #5327938 - 02/22/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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eligal said:
i saw it all in a dream





Then man you're only dreaming!


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5327954 - 02/22/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

but who says dreams arent real?


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: eligal]
    #5327979 - 02/22/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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eligal said:
but who says dreams arent real?




Anyway, the "New Dimensions" Interview this came from took place over twenty years ago so some of my following comments may not now apply.


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
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She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5327992 - 02/22/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

but who says it was my choice to experience it?


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: eligal]
    #5328001 - 02/22/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I did!


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5328007 - 02/22/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

thats not cool man


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: eligal]
    #5328075 - 02/22/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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eligal said:
thats not cool man




:rolleyes:

You know McKenna's problem don't you ? He comes from a school of western academia which partakes of both Hinayana and Mahayana but is unable to conceive of both processes as occuring simultaneously.
It is the "Greek Conceit" (ain't it ladies ?) with which I am mostly concerned however, that is the notion that the city state represents human society's highest form of organisation.
"There have been psilocybin mushrooms reported from England and France, localities where, so far as we know, there is no cultural history of usage at all. However, it's interesting that cultural usage seems to come early in human history. Hallucinogens are hardly welcome in agricultural societies. I think it was Weston La Barre who made the point that once one learns how to grow plants one's gods shift from the ecstatic gods of the hallucinogens to the corn god or the food god, and life is no longer about divining the hunt and the weather through the ecstatic use of hallucinogens. Rather it becomes about being able to get up every morning and go work and hoe the crop. You mentioned earlier the prejudice against hallucinogens. I think cultural suppresion of hallucinogens reaches back to the beginning of agriculture when there was competition among plant gods that exemplified life-styles that were alien to each other." From P.164 Chapter 11 "New Dimensions" Interview (with Michael Toms) "The Archaic Revival" by Terence McKenna (published by Harper Collins).


McKenna is "yet another" perveyor of the notion that agriculural societies were of necessity static and that somehow once man had settled down into the passive-aggressive state McKenna implies it "limp-wristedy" wanted no further part of the plant hallucinogens and infact had no further need for them. It is my belief that even if this were true in other regions of the world it certainly was not true of the Brethonic Mesolithic society (the very society he accuses of having no cultural history of psychedelic shamanism). His notion that the shamanic use of psychedelics was only applied to the location of prey species or the prediction of weather patterns is an intensely patriachal one.
This "traditional" academic attitude toward Brethonic society also  partakes of "The Egyptian Conceit" which is the notion that a permanent written record of events is a prerequisite for describing a society as "civilised" (and you see I'm doing it now I don't mean "civilised", which is a term derived from Greek which refers to the political/social organisation and institutions of the city state, the more accurate term, although still Greek in origin, being  -at least as far as modern usage is concerned-"sophisticated" ).
Any theory of shamanistic practice which does not involve the understanding of the vibrational use of plants, crystals and minerals is redundant in any case and I have never seen, or heard, McKenna make any mention of it.
The thing is guys that I believe this sort of stuff represents a real warning to modern society, The Earth cries out to be heard! Spend much more time in denial and we will all be in de' bloody Nile!!!
Kernunnos, Arianrhod Ogmyos -from whose mouth proceed the chains of Ogham !-.
You see people on a "vision quest" are of necessity externalising their spiritual universe (sorry Terence but it's true) only sound (or vibration) can draw us back into the "Other". Interestingly The Mahayanan Tibetans (Mahayana: Buddhists who believe that personal salvation is achieved by devoting one's efforts to Universal salvation, as opposed to the Hinayana who believe that Universal salvation is achieved by devoting oneself to personal salvation -put probably over-simply for any devotees of either-) follow a meditative practice which insists that one keeps one's eyes open whilst meditating (for non-McKenna students this refers to his oft stated and truly worthy practice of practicing most of his shamanistic art in silent darkness and watching the visionary displays he encounters on the back of closed eyelids).


....and why? why? why? guys does America and Europe (but America primarily) often seem to ignore the travelling culture whose "Convoy" organised and maintained The Stonehenge Free Festival of the Seventies and Eighties? There is stuff we did (and still do) that alot of your guys seem totally unaware of, you'd get the impresion that we were so "unhip" our "bums" fell off!


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


Edited by Silverwolf (09/05/06 04:51 PM)


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5328084 - 02/22/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

and this makes you cool how?


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: eligal]
    #5328095 - 02/22/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5328134 - 02/22/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: eligal]
    #5328188 - 02/22/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Last night I had a dream that I woke up and did something very wrong. I then searched for a potion I had hid somewhere that could turn back time. I finally found and drank it, then woke up. Was this a dream?


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    #5328197 - 02/22/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

we will never know. learn from it son. learn from it.


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5330130 - 02/22/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Silverwolf said:
Quote:

eligal said:
thats not cool man




:rolleyes:

You know McKenna's problem don't you ? He comes from a school of western academ which partakes of both Hinayana and Mahayana but is unable to observe both processes as occuring simultaneously.
It is the "Greek Conceit" (ain't it ladies ?) with which I am mostly concerned however, that is the notion that the city state represents human society's highest form of organisation.
"There have been psilocybin mushrooms reported from England and France, localities where, so far as we know, there is no cultural history of usage at all. However, it's interesting that cultural usage seems to come early in human history. Hallucinogens are hardly welcome in agricultural societies. I think it was Weston La Barre who made the point that once one learns how to grow plants one's gods shift from the ecstatic gods of the hallucinogens to the corn god or the food god, and life is no longer about divining the hunt and the weather through the ecstatic use of hallucinogens. Rather it becomes about being able to get up every morning and go work and hoe the crop. You mentioned earlier the prejudice against hallucinogens. I think cultural suppresion of hallucinogens reaches back to the beginning of agriculture when there was competition among plant gods that exemplified life-styles that were alien to each other." From P.164 Chapter 11 "New Dimensions" Interview (with Michael Toms) "The Archaic Revival" by Terence McKenna (published by Harper Collins).


This kind of thing exemplifies the notion that agriculural societies were of necessity static and that somehow once man had settled down into the passive-aggressive state McKenna implies it "limp-wristedy" wanted no further part of the plant hallucinogens and infact had no further need for them. It is my belief that even if this were true in other regions of the world it certainly was not true of the Brethonic Mesolithic society (the very society he accuses of having no cultural history of psychedelic shamanism). His notion that the shamanic use of psychedelics was only applied to the location of prey species or the prediction of weather patterns is an intensely patriachal one.
This "traditional" academic attitude toward Brethonic society also  partakes of "The Egyptian Conceit" which is the notion that a permanent written record of events is a prerequisite for describing a society as "civilised" (and you see I'm doing it now I don't mean "civilised", which is a term derived from Greek which refers to the political/social organisation and institutions of the city state, the more accurate term, although still Greek in origin, being  -at least as far as modern usage is concerned-"sophisticated" ).
Any theory of shamanistic practice which does not involve the understanding of the vibrational use of plants, crystals and minerals is redundant in any case and I have never seen, or heard, McKenna make any mention of it.
The thing is guys that I believe this sort of stuff represents a real warning to modern society, The Earth cries out to be heard! Spend much more time in denial and we will all be in de' bloody Nile!!!
Kernunnos, Arianrhod Ogmyos -from whose mouth proceed the chains of Ogham !-.
You see people on a "vision quest" are of necessity externalising their spiritual universe (sorry Terence but it's true) only sound (or vibration) can draw us back into the "Other". Interestingly The Mahayanan Tibetans (Mahayana: Buddhists who believe that personal salvation is achieved by devoting one's efforts to Universal salvation. As opposed to the Hinayana who believe that Universal salvation is achieved by devoting oneself to personal salvation -put probably over-simply for any devotees of either-) follow a meditative practice which insists that one keeps one's eyes open whilst meditating (for non-McKenna students this refers to his oft stated and truly worthy practice of practicing most of his shamanistic art in silent darkness and watching the visionary displays he encounters on the back of closed eyelids).


....and why? why? why? guys does America and Europe (but America primarily) often seem to ignore the travelling culture whose "Convoy" organised and maintained The Stonehenge Free Festival of the Seventies and Eighties? There is stuff we did (and still do) that alot of your guys seem totally unaware of, you'd get the impresion that we were so "unhip" our "bums" fell off!




why are you so bent out of shape about this?  terence never forced an opinion on anyone, and always let people know that this is JUST HIS OPINION and he admits that he may very well be wrong with every theory of his.

he was a thinker, he never claimed to be a prophet, a lot of people just put him up on a pedestal and worship him as one tho.

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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Phoshaman]
    #5330158 - 02/22/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

He was a thinker,

for the prophet is I


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: eligal]
    #5332238 - 02/23/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Man no shit! I didn't know he was dead (I came on here today to find out though because my friends told me they had heard he was dead)! However I wouldn't change the meaning of what I said, I may however have not have said it now or in quite the same way. Did he die very recently ? What a bummer whenever he went, I liked the man very much from what I knew of him (he has been an inspiration to me). I guess he leaves quite a vacuum.

Om bhur bhuvah swaha Terence

(You guys know I've been here a few years now and active onsite since last October and I saw nothing to alert me to the fact that he had died. Can anyone give us any details please?)


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


Edited by Silverwolf (02/27/06 11:25 AM)


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5332342 - 02/23/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Brain cancer, 2001 I think.


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    #5332365 - 02/23/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

A little while ago then. I don't feel quite so bad now. But brain cancer? Ouch! How the hell did that happen, and does anyone know his "dates" so that I can include them in the title please?


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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    #5332404 - 02/23/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5335599 - 02/24/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you.


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"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5344807 - 02/27/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

There's more information on the Brethonic Mesolithic tradition I would like to post you guys and I should be able to when I recover my now out-of-print copy of James Vogh's book on the subject. However I don't believe this thread belongs here ("The Pub") anymore so I have asked for it to be moved.
Terence McKenna died in April 2000 of a form of brain cancer called Glioblastoma Multiforme.
"Of the estimated 17,000 primary brain tumors diagnosed in the United states each year approximately 60% are gliomas. Gliomas comprise a heterogenous group of neoplasms that differ in location in the CNS (Central Nervous System .ed), in age and sex distribution, in growth potential, in extent of invasiveness, in morphological features, in tendency for progression and in response to treatment.

Glioblastoma Multiforme (GBM) is by far the most common and malignant of the glial tumors. Composed of poorly constructed neoplastic astrocytes (? .ed), glioblastomas primarily affect adults, and they are located preferentially in the cerebral hemispheres. Much less commonly GBMs can affect the brain stem in children and the spinal cord. These tumors (Which ones ?.ed) may develop from lower-grade astrocytomas (World Health Organisation -W.H.O- grade2) or anaplastic astrocytomas (W.H.O grade3), but ,more frequently they manifest de novo ("as new" .ed), without any evidence of a less malignant precursor lesion. The treatment of glioblastomas is palliative and includes surgery, radiotherapy, and chemotherapy (That's just great, chemotherapy followed by an aggressive single dose of radiotherapy killed a patient ("client"/"friend") of mine! ed)."
From an aticle by Jeffrey Bruce M.D. Columbia University College of physicians.
"Glioblastoma Multiforme is the most common and most aggresive of primary brain tumors.The current World Health..." Article by ABM Saladin Uddin MD (www.emedicine.com/Neuro/topic147.htm)

P.S You will note that much of the above post appears in italics, such was not my intention. This is something that has happened to many of us at one time or another and unfortunately (presumably owing to some glitch in the memory function of the sites programming) it cannot be corrected once it happens. Here is how I think you prevent it from happening; do not click the Italics icon twice (once at the begining of the word or phrase required and once when you have finished), instead horizontally scroll until you have cleared the second italics icon and continue. Do not use the icon again to close as this may affect the entire post. Any comments?


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Silverwolf]
    #5918868 - 07/31/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

<<"Hallucinogens are hardly welcome in agricultural societies.">>

Heh-heh...try telling that to the agricultural society I'ma livin' in right now, 'cause that's just plain naive.
In all seriousness though, I feel that the hypothesis is too conclusive considering that there is always a little of everything going on everywhere. Sometimes it's in the limelight, others, all but gone.
I just couldn't resist the "hillbilly hee-haw" about aggy people don't eat neurotropics! :smile:
(psychsplit)

<<he was a thinker, he never claimed to be a prophet, a lot of people just put him up on a pedestal and worship him as one tho.
rest in peace.>>
Amen. I believe the late Mr. McKenna displayed the kind of curiosity and determination that would have made him dispassionate about learning something that blew all his other ideas away as it would seem no more than a natural progression.
In any worthwhile scholarly effort one is best to view in comparison with all the available and reliable material because this is how those who write them arrive at their theories and conclusions - and whether they build on or bash each other is a natural wonderful process called "discovery".
Because of his areas and opinions he suffered what many people in such a condition do - a bunch of loving and well meaning people "projecting" their hopeful ideals and feelings and creating an environment of overmuch "hero worship" which one fears may establish a prejudice against one's work even before it is considered.
He tried not to be a tit is what I am saying, even if he attracted a cloud of them.

The inescapable tragedy of Terrance McKenna for me has always been that his academic study of neurotropics did not reveal to him their extremely potent anti-cancer activity which readily crosses the blood/brain barrier.
I find it astonishing that a man who spent so much time on these creatures perished (with no help from the devoted society of tits...) most probably for the simple lack of them, and guided care by a competent physician.

Maybe his devotees should fund neurotropic medicine and support/supply clinics that treat these people if they would do something to honor his memory that made him more than "another one of those teeny bopper dope gurus" - something appropriate that is more befitting his dignity.
(For the absolutely stupid: no, I don't mean something like a commemorative tie-dye with him and Jesus...)

Ok - gawd, sorry! - to close:
where he is right now is full of stars; and he is laughing at us all!
and the lecture endeth here :smile:


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: curenado]
    #5918946 - 07/31/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I know this an old post, and as I didn't bump it, I have no problems continuing it.

Is this from a book or an audio recording, what? I tried googling with no results, as well as Amazon.


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    #5919047 - 07/31/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I actually don't know. All my news is old too. Someone e-mailed me this thread and without looking presumed it was current...?


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    #5922216 - 08/01/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

anyone know where the original post's quotes came from?


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    #6032187 - 09/05/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

demius said:
anyone know where the original post's quotes came from?




Yes, from "The Archaic Revival" (which is what this thread is getting) a book by T.M.

I'd love to continue this somewhere however I'm awaiting a response to my suggestion for an "Ancient Societies and Shamanic Tradition" forum. If you like the idea let me (or the adminstrators) know..


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"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: curenado]
    #6032259 - 09/05/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

curenado said:
<<"Hallucinogens are hardly welcome in agricultural societies.">>

Heh-heh...try telling that to the agricultural society I'ma livin' in right now, 'cause that's just plain naive.
In all seriousness though, I feel that the hypothesis is too conclusive considering that there is always a little of everything going on everywhere. Sometimes it's in the limelight, others, all but gone.
I just couldn't resist the "hillbilly hee-haw" about aggy people don't eat neurotropics! :smile:
(psychsplit)

<<he was a thinker, he never claimed to be a prophet, a lot of people just put him up on a pedestal and worship him as one tho.
rest in peace.>>
Amen. I believe the late Mr. McKenna displayed the kind of curiosity and determination that would have made him dispassionate about learning something that blew all his other ideas away as it would seem no more than a natural progression.
In any worthwhile scholarly effort one is best to view in comparison with all the available and reliable material because this is how those who write them arrive at their theories and conclusions - and whether they build on or bash each other is a natural wonderful process called "discovery".
Because of his areas and opinions he suffered what many people in such a condition do - a bunch of loving and well meaning people "projecting" their hopeful ideals and feelings and creating an environment of overmuch "hero worship" which one fears may establish a prejudice against one's work even before it is considered.
He tried not to be a tit is what I am saying, even if he attracted a cloud of them.

The inescapable tragedy of Terrance McKenna for me has always been that his academic study of neurotropics did not reveal to him their extremely potent anti-cancer activity which readily crosses the blood/brain barrier.
I find it astonishing that a man who spent so much time on these creatures perished (with no help from the devoted society of tits...) most probably for the simple lack of them, and guided care by a competent physician.

Maybe his devotees should fund neurotropic medicine and support/supply clinics that treat these people if they would do something to honor his memory that made him more than "another one of those teeny bopper dope gurus" - something appropriate that is more befitting his dignity.
(For the absolutely stupid: no, I don't mean something like a commemorative tie-dye with him and Jesus...)

Ok - gawd, sorry! - to close:
where he is right now is full of stars; and he is laughing at us all!
and the lecture endeth here :smile:




"Spare the rod and spoil the child!" C..give us a good thrashing next time!

"Vibrationally" this Karmic "Tit" collection you mention "recognises" (it seems to me) the frequency of crystal D.M.T use...if I said "it creates emotionally needy, defensive people, whom seem to be preparing lemming like for the end of all things (including their own lives!)" what would you say?

Changing the subject somewhat I need to add a scholarly note, as follows: as I currently understand it the term "Mesolithic" would (in these isles at least) seem to refer to a "sophisticated society" mainly involved with shamanistic agriculture and environmental management and practicing one religious faith. However the period concerned would appear to span both the Paleolithic and Neolithic ages. Can anyone help, am I totally off beam here?


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"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Silverwolf]
    #6032996 - 09/05/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

<<if I said "it creates emotionally needy, defensive people, whom seem to be preparing lemming like for the end of all things (including their own lives!)" what would you say?>>

I would say it is possible that we all know many things - and are all in it together, giggling all the way!
What does the "cancophony of souls" care about "living" and "dying" in any given place - if you are going to the soul level, of course we are all getting ready to go somewhere. "Tits" and all I think. :smile:

There used to be a little boy on my block who couldn't ride his bike. That little sucker grabbed it and ran beside it pushing all the way to keep up with the other kids. I used to love that!
One day he must have figured it out - and I'm sure he was happy about that, but I'll never forget the determination irregardless of the circumstance!


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: curenado]
    #6034306 - 09/06/06 05:18 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like "mind-rape" to me (self-perpetrated))! Wasn't McKenna eventually consumed? Anyway I thought you were working on an extraction, are you sure your interpretation of my last post is vibrationally correct? Consider the Banasteriopsis Caapi it's propagation and care!


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"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: Silverwolf]
    #6034901 - 09/06/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Wolf - You are right - I obviously misinterpreted your post.
I still don't know what you are exactly saying because of either your or my vibrations.....
:smile:
I can only hope my vibrations remain good, or at least good enough for me and mine.
I make plenty of extracts, but I don't try to read their vibes. I think one can get a little meshuga with too much of that.


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Re: "Mr.Terence Mckenna !" [Re: curenado]
    #6035190 - 09/06/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

You say "Tomaeto" I say Tomato (of-course).."Let's call the whole thing off!"...

:pirate:

Also "C" on my "Evolutions" tape Mckenna talks about smoking DMT it is however unclear whether he is talking about a Psychotria Viridis extract or a synthesised analogue. Does anyone know precisely what he was using?
I must also admit that there's something about the "vibe" of crystal DMT use I am very wary of, I've never done it myself.


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"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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