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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2607996 - 04/28/04 03:44 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Ekstaza said:
I once thought of Terence McKenna as some sort of revolutionary thinker and pioneer of psychedelia, but the more I read in that book the more he just seems like he's lost it. I find a lot of the things he says very kooky and off the wall.




personally i gotta agree with you


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2608063 - 04/28/04 03:55 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Spooge]
    #2609316 - 04/28/04 07:54 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Hello Pub,

I'm new to Mckenna too.

I haven't heard many folks talking about psychedelics who were as articulate and imaginative or who have as broad a range of knowledge as Mckenna seems to have had. Very refreshing to find him.

edit: delete stuff about which i have no clue.


Edited by bufo (04/29/04 02:58 AM)


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: ]
    #2609685 - 04/28/04 09:10 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I agree. I think Mckenna was a total nut.


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2609774 - 04/28/04 09:27 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I like Terence because hearing him talk stimulates my imagination.  I don't necessarily believe what his says, but since I write fantasy stories, it definately gets me in the writing mood.  :smile:


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: MOTH]
    #2609894 - 04/28/04 09:56 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

His ideas were . . . interesting ;-)


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2610231 - 04/28/04 10:45 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Yo Mama said:
Number one, does it occur naturally in a plant or an animal? Because nature has use-tested these compounds over millions and millions of years. Something that came out of the laboratory four or five years ago--who knows? So it should be a product of the natural world.

Number two, does it have a history of human usage? Mushrooms do. Mescaline does. LSD doesn't. Ecstacy doesn't.

And number three, and most important, it should have some affinity to brain chemistry. It shouldn't be just like landing on the moon; it should be related to what is driving ordinary consciousness. This last criteria is the most narrow, because mescaline won't get through that. LSD won't get through that......."




Precisely :thumbup:

I took some liberties with paragraphs... sorry  :shocked:


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: oggleman]
    #2610304 - 04/28/04 10:59 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Are you saying that you believe that garbage?


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Spooge]
    #2610665 - 04/28/04 04:55 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I'm a fan of Timothy Leary, though. McKenna is food for thought.... but his theories are too far-fetched. I'm keeping an eye out for 2012, though...


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: MOTH] * 1
    #2610674 - 04/28/04 05:02 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

He even says so himself on his own theories:
"I don't necessarily believe what the mushroom tells me; rather we have a dialogue. It is a very strange person and has many bizarre opinions. I entertain it the way I would an eccentric friend. I say, 'Well, so that's what you think.'"

Just because you find it off the wall don't discount everything. Consider reading it all and think "this is one angle to look at things" and see what you can pull out for your own benefit and edification.


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Spooge]
    #2611361 - 04/28/04 09:41 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I definitely find McKenna's theories interesting... some of it seems a bit out there... some of it strikes close to home (his classification of cocaine, heroin, refined sugar, caffeine, and television in the same category, for example)...

But definitely good reading.


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Spooge]
    #2611439 - 04/28/04 10:10 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

McKenna's unenthuseasm about LSD doesn't stem from its being synthetic, its just its lack of "soul." He wasn't against LSD, it just didn't impress him like shrooms and DMT did. He said it was a good tool for boundary disolution, but not even in the same realm as his preffered plant psychedelics.


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Help on the Way]
    #2611461 - 04/28/04 10:21 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Slipknot420 said:
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Ekstaza said:
I once thought of Terence McKenna as some sort of revolutionary thinker and pioneer of psychedelia, but the more I read in that book the more he just seems like he's lost it. I find a lot of the things he says very kooky and off the wall.




personally i gotta agree with you




Basically every great thinker and revolutionary in history was kooky, off the wall, a lunatic.


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Spooge]
    #2612098 - 04/29/04 12:29 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

hmmm...
& jonathan ott had done plenty of self-experimentation with a variety of entheogens... & yet when asked by friend scott as we were driving ott from the airport in erie pa to starwood festival in ny a few years ago as to which was his favorite psychedelic/entheogen, he replied "lsd"
so, i suppose i comes down to a matter of personal taste or style, and "non gustibus disputandum" as they say back in roma...


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Trip]
    #2612186 - 04/29/04 12:49 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Isn't LSD extracted from the fungus, ergot?


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: sunshine]
    #2612325 - 04/29/04 01:28 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

No. A substance that can be used as a precursor to in LSD synthesis is found in ergot.


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Spooge]
    #2612501 - 04/29/04 02:16 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I was just listning to a  tape of Mckenna at Boulder Colorado an he said he considered LSD fabulous. He didn't want to take it because mushrooms and DMT provided him with more hallucinations.

I think even though Terrance has said a number of times he prefers  :mushroom2: and is not a big LSD fan he still considers it a good thing. He seams to have taken it a few hundred times in the 60's which set him on his path exploring psychedelics. As Gnmri said we all have our personal prefrences.


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Spooge]
    #2680929 - 05/15/04 09:49 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

First of all, I will say I agree with you in regards to LSD feeling more "fun" in general..... However I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing :wink:. Life's not all fun and games :-D

I don't recall hearing Mckenna say he denounces LSD but I can see how he preferred the tryptamines over all else..

And the yellowish/brownish pastey crystley stuff that Mckenna refers to is extracted DMT - synthetic DMT from what I understand is pure dmt molecules, which look pure white from what I've seen, basically like salt or something (don't spill the salt, fucker! and DON'T throw it over your shoulder if you do!). this is why extracted stuff has a tint to it, because its not 100% dmt molecules; there is still other stuff left behind from the extraction unless one is a true pimp


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Strumpling]
    #2680957 - 05/15/04 09:56 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't recall hearing Mckenna say he denounces LSD but I can see how he preferred the tryptamines over all else..




I'm not sure I understand. LSD is a tryptamine.


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Re: Terence Mckenna's stance on LSD? [Re: Strumpling]
    #2681462 - 05/15/04 03:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I think the thing about McKenna that throws people off the most is the fact that he took psychedelics so seriously. He wasn't against recreational usage but he had firm belief, based on experience, that psychedelics played a part in human evolution and would continue as a tool in the transformation of the human species. I don't find that theory far fetched. If nothing else he forces you to think on your own, to be aware of a wider web of being.


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