leery11 said:

so those people that don't believe don't need to , and may not , until another life.

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deCypher said:

leery11 said:

so those people that don't believe don't need to , and may not , until another life.

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Right, I'm not saying that anyone needs to believe anything; I'm just curious what would be necessary to change such a person's mind.

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Psychedelics lol Its pretty crazy that you just asked this, i was just having a discussion with my family about something of this sort. And i was thinking pretty much the exact thing you asked

leery11 said:

it does not matter

when they are ready they will

do not think in the way that

one life is all there is ,

if that is so , why did michael jackson get to be him, that is a weird fate yeah ? no amount of reasoning can disprove reincarnation, as the realm of spirit IS science .

reincarnation meaning more accurately REBIRTH, SOW AND REAP ,
people become what they have already created either in the lives of others [ so therefore create only good in others experience, as all is us ] ( horrible rebirths in the case of negatives, into great suffering ) , or as themselves,

and/or a myriad of wanting to , and / or needing to learn a lie about specific lessons to complete soul growth ,

remember , spirituality is a science, much of this information is recorded in the buddhist teachings

the source of knowing is inside us , how to get there takes a lot of work and time,

so those people that don't believe don't need to , and may not , until another life.

to open minds to spiritual idea, accepting spiritual values, speak with equanimity if warranted and allowed

the basis of spirit is faith, which splits into dogma or realization of a truth,
realization of a truth creates spiritual teachings, spiritual teachings create masters of light and consciousness, or dogma,

for instnace, if one chants the gayatri mantra they will know traveling through the universe, based upon what th esages wrote of the mantra,
this only reuires patience and faith , and enoyment

but faith in someone else chanting it for you is like the modern day western lazy way to god, which is a dead end on a merry go round with many tool boothes and clowns, and a total not , so , ing, newss, to the ways christ EXMEPLIFIED WITH A PATH

the way to enlighten a religious christian is to show them bible passages that speak about the real nature of things, such as the kingdom of god is within you

if they eye be single they body is full of light, etc, but they will either say nuh-uh, or , be interested, hence equanimity is needed.

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Exactly, the part of brain with rational thought would have to be wiped out. There is no going back to my childhood beliefs.

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Will they ever recant their beliefs?  What would be required for such a paradigm shift?

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jivJaN said:

What man fears the most !!  - is being alone.
This is inherent in us.

You can call me crazy or just stupid , but there is not a doubt in my mind that every single being in existence fears nothing more than this.
BEING ALONE.

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For some people it's easier to disbelieve than to believe. I know from experience that believing in God and an afterlife/reincarnation is a heavy load to carry. It would be so much easier if death was the end rather than just another chapter in eternity. That being said, I don't think there's anything that will force the skeptics to change their minds, in most cases. People tend to overlook the things they're not searching for.

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This is true and nobody seems to acknowledge it. If you believe this is your little sliver in eternity then you can really write yourself off and not have to face the bigger picture or the real purpose of life.


Icelander seems to have every other person over in the philosophy forum convinced that all beliefs in the afterlife are merely the result of people brainwashing themselves due to death anxiety.. haha