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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz said:
When looking at dogma, slated as spiritual in some way, there's usually a practical side to the equation.


It's pretty practical all right...

:sheepie:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Poid]
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Well, land sustains animals. As long as times are good, sacrificing is an afordable luxury. As long as there's more than enough, there's no loss. The land will just grow more. If sacrifice was done in times of drought, it would be less popular I suspect. However, if such a committment was needed as part of a scheme to create an effecient society, the benefits could outweigh and negatives.

The logic is that many people will do what you want them to do if you poke the right buttons.


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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz said:
However, if such a committment was needed as part of a scheme to create an effecient society, the benefits could outweigh and negatives.

This particular commitment (not eating beef) does not bring more benefits than negatives; lots of people die of starvation in India. :hehehe:



Rahz said:
The logic is that many people will do what you want them to do if you poke the right buttons.

That's true, everyone has their price! :naughty:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: elementswrath]
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Understanding where these practices started, gives you an idea of the motivation.  Six thousand years ago(give or take a year or two), a family unit's most precious possessions were their animals.  To sacrifice an animal was almost the ultimate, the only next step up was their Family or clan members.

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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Poid]
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This particular commitment (not eating beef) does not bring more benefits than negatives; lots of people die of starvation in India.


Traditionally, each family had a cow. It's still that way for much of the population. One cow is all they get/can afford. There's only so much grass around their propertys. They've got this one cow, and if there's a drought, and they are hungry, they can continue to milk the cow because the cow eats grass and get's it's water this way. If the one cow is killed for food, disaster can happen after the cow has been eaten.

I was suprised to find they sacrificed cows.

Maybe the sick or less healthy cows are picked every 5 years and sacrificed to maintain good genetics? Doesn't have to be "to control the population".


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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz said:
I was suprised to find they sacrificed cows.

I am too, WTF? :wtf:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Rahz]
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Sacrifice one to the gods in hopes for many in return.  With this situation where they are sacrificing thousands, maybe they are hoping for millions in return.


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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Rahz said:
I was suprised to find they sacrificed cows.

I am too, WTF? :wtf:


like i said earlier, waste of god damned burgers.:hehehe:

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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz said:
I was suprised to find they sacrificed cows.


They don't sacrifice cows, not in India or Nepal. The prefer ed animal is buffalo, but pigs, goats, chickens, etc are killed.


And I think you need to look at the gods these people choose to sacrifice animals to. Not all of them demand it, some are ok with some simple incense or fruit.

But the gods that demand blood are kali, bhairava, etc. These gods represent, imo, humanities ties to our primal subconscious levels. Death and blood craze are common traits of these gods and are just reflective of actual human conditions- projected outside of them into a form. Deep down inside of every human lies our animal roots and I think this sacrifice allows people to appease them- and in that sense appease a 'god'- by channeling this death energy out during the festival instead of in an unwanted scenario.

And the sacrifice takes part in a large festival where the meat is eaten, so it is not wasteful. I think it is also done more humanely than our common slaughterhouses, as a sacrifice to a god must be pure so would most likely be treated relatively well up until the end.


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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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They don't sacrifice cows, not in India or Nepal. The prefer ed animal is buffalo, but pigs, goats, chickens, etc are killed.


Ahh, I should have caught that.

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I think this sacrifice allows people to appease them- and in that sense appease a 'god'- by channeling this death energy out during the festival instead of in an unwanted scenario.


So you think it serves it's purpose and reduces violence?


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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Rahz]
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Yes, I would think so.

But, I've never taken part in this sacrifice and I'm not hindu so I most likely won't be, so I can't know for sure what effects it does have.


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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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After doing this tradtionally for years...shouldn't they realize not to much changes. But then again with a religious view point any random event can be viewed as "God did it"

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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Germican]
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It's often the case that humans learn to almost exclusively focus on some expectation and ignore any contradiction.

or

"What the thinker thinks, the prover proves" -RAW


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Yes, I would think so.

But, I've never taken part in this sacrifice and I'm not hindu so I most likely won't be, so I can't know for sure what effects it does have.


Good postulation.

I wonder how much white on white violence there was during the American expansion? We took it out on the Indians?

I wonder if Spain (bull fights) has low violence?

I wonder if the human mind is really like that? The Gods (our minds) need blood?


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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz said:
I wonder how much white on white violence there was during the American expansion? We took it out on the Indians?



The U.S. Civil War is one shining example. We took it out on the Indians even more-so after that.


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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: elementswrath]
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elementswrath said:
Poid said:
Rahz said:
I was suprised to find they sacrificed cows.

I am too, WTF? :wtf:


like i said earlier, waste of god damned burgers.:hehehe:


:robblerobble:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Poid]
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Okay, so is Football, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Soccer, WWF, UFC, Nascar, professional boxing, capital punishment, violent videogames, horror movies and books, recreational hunting, etc. enough?

Is that what happens when you quit killing domestic animals to satisfy blood lust?

Is it effective?

Looking at the data, the US rates are just slightly higher than India in murders per capita. At a quick glance, such figures aren't available for domestic violence. I'd guess it's a bit tricker to compile that data.

I wouldn't suggest we start sacrificing animals, but perhaps in light of all the apparent insanity our cultures are subject to, we shouldn't judge their practices as any more barbaric than our own. ?


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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Rahz]
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Its a burning question, but it seems like it must to remain a question.

Just think, how did we somehow once conceive a (Thanks)(giving) without any regard to its interval, or its polarity. No real sacrifice, the Gods are dead. Today we are (together) to the pleasures of excusable/inexcusable gluttony...but romantic! Thanksgiving, a day to stare nihilism in the face. That's my observation at least.

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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: daytripper23]
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how did we somehow once conceive a (Thanks)(giving)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving

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Re: Hindu animal sacrifice [Re: Rahz]
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but perhaps in light of all the apparent insanity our cultures are subject to, we shouldn't judge their practices as any more barbaric than our own. ?

I'm just as likely to condemn the stupidity of my own culture. Unskillful thinking knows no borders. As a citizen of the earth I tend to point this nonsense out.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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