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pedophilia and animal sex
    #5708379 - 06/03/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Don't know if you heard, but somewhere in Holand I think,
there is some kind of political party of pedophiles asking their voice to be heard, and they request that the age of legal sex be moved lower, so that they may screw little boys and girls. They complain that they have been ignored for too long.
They also ask for legalisation of animal sex.

What do you think of that?

I think this is so crazy that It might just pass in the new liberal society and spread in other parts of the world.
Next thing, the hip thing is going to be screwing real beavers (you know, the standalone versions) and getting blowjobs from chickens.

Really, every sicko gets to shout his opinion these days, and everyone is racing to hear him out to show how he is "modern" and "liberal"

You know what?
From now on, I'm officially switching to right, I've always been supporting liberal views due to their support of pacifism in the world, but pacifism is one thing, but I don't want my kids thinking it's cool and modern to fuck goats, and I don't want my neighbour calling his spanking around with a buddy of his a "marriage"

That's it!


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5708428 - 06/03/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yea i'm same as you.
i use to be extreme liberal "Do what thou wilt"
and it made sense to me at the time

but now i like being conservative and wholesome.
it's weird how things change, and people change.

are these people willing to die for their right to fuck animals?

they best be willing to die for their right to fuck kids, because death is exactly what's gonna happen to anyone who tries to fuck mine.
no matter what the law has to say about it.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Telepylus]
    #5708432 - 06/03/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Telepylus said:
yea i'm same as you.
i use to be extreme liberal "Do what thou wilt"
and it made sense to me at the time

but now i like being conservative and wholesome.
it's weird how things change, and people change.

are these people willing to die for their right to fuck animals?

they best be willing to die for their right to fuck kids, because death is exactly what's gonna happen to anyone who tries to fuck mine.
no matter what the law has to say about it.




"Do what thou wilt" sounds great until you actually see what people wish to do


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5708480 - 06/03/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

it works on paper.

supposedly if a person finds their true will by way of love, nothing they do can do is evil or dishonest.
by definition of the word TRUE.
Nobody truly wants to harm other people.
Greed and Lust and all that is just dishonesty in one's own heart.

So it's not about what people "wish" to do.
It's what they "will" to do-
and most people don't "will" to do much of anything.
Because they don't really love anything.

my favorite question to ask people is "what intrests you most?"
you'd be surprised at how many people can't even answer the question, or they may need a half hour to think about it.

intrest in fucking animals or kids all comes down to one root-
dishonoring womanhood.

and most people aren't worried about dishonoring womanhood, because they really have no idea what womanhood even is.
if they knew, they would be interested in it, if they were honest with themselves.

in another thread i'm talking about how Sex is sacred in Religion.

i've worked with alot of sexually dysfunctional people, abuse victims and such. pedophilia and animal sex is nothing short of the hand of the devil.
sex is the most holy thing, and defiling it's beauty is the most blasphemous thing anyone can do.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5708487 - 06/03/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I won't get into the actual issue brought up, because that's a bit too difficult of one right now, and I'm no psychologist. I don't know enough.

I will, however, say that "joining" and "supporting" the "right" or "left" is not only an ignorant, but stupid notion.

There are many standards/practices of morality/methodology that many people use, and lumping them into two categories like that is just small-minded. Life does not come in "right" or "left" flavors, and nor do beliefs/mindsets.

There are many broad categories that fit both or neither, and so many nuances that one would have to dedicate their entire life to the study of such, and even then, maybe not grasping it all.

Example: Libertarianism. Single word, encompasses a broad basis of social and economic ideals. Socially "left," in some areas, "right" in others, economically "right," mostly. It is still further subdivided into libertarian socialism and libertarian anarchism. This is still just a small fraction of, not even scratching the surface of, the ideologies encompassed within the word libertarianism.

Quite simply, what I just wrote is s a shit-hole definition. And it's still one helluva lot better then the description of "right" or "left."

If you live in the US of A, both what is traditionally regarded as "right" and "left" (embodied by Republicans and Democrats, respectively) are both currently filled with a load of mostly inept people with a few capable ones mixed in.

Support neither. Question everything. Be damned sure that you have at least some grasp of what you're doing before doing it.

(My apologies for this angry rant.)


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5708490 - 06/03/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
Don't know if you heard, but somewhere in Holand I think,
there is some kind of political party of pedophiles asking their voice to be heard, and they request that the age of legal sex be moved lower, so that they may screw little boys and girls. They complain that they have been ignored for too long.
They also ask for legalisation of animal sex.

What do you think of that?

I think this is so crazy that It might just pass in the new liberal society and spread in other parts of the world.
Next thing, the hip thing is going to be screwing real beavers (you know, the standalone versions) and getting blowjobs from chickens. 

Really, every sicko gets to shout his opinion these days, and everyone is racing to hear him out to show how he is "modern" and "liberal"

You know what?
From now on, I'm officially switching to right, I've always been supporting liberal views due to their support of pacifism in the world, but pacifism is one thing, but I don't want my kids thinking it's cool and modern to fuck goats, and I don't want my neighbour calling his spanking around with a buddy of his a "marriage"

That's it!




Are you putting us on? Who cares? Be a conservative if that's what you want. I'm sure that they have no outrageous platforms or agendas. :tongue:


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Icelander]
    #5708503 - 06/03/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Do as though wilt does not mean do as you please.

Do what though wilt, shall be the whole of the law
Love is the law, love under will.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: EarthDroid]
    #5708511 - 06/03/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Just FYI, the embodiment of socially "liberal" philosophy is not "do whatever the hell you want." It's, "Do whatever the hell you want until you screw with someone else's rights."


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Icelander]
    #5708544 - 06/03/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Are you putting us on? Who cares? Be a conservative if that's what you want. I'm sure that they have no outrageous platforms or agendas. :tongue:




This is not about politics, it's about programing the masses. Of course everyone in politics has some sort of evil agenda, otherwise they'd just stay home and not get involved. But these people have the power to makes things "normal". Whatever their evil agendas are, I don't care, but I'm with the ones that are not trying to make such things normal.
And as for evil agendas, we are all screwed anyway, and will dissapear as a civilisation, so you can't really vote your way out this one, but you can chose the side which will make the fall more dignifying.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Xanthas]
    #5708568 - 06/03/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Xanthas said:
Just FYI, the embodiment of socially "liberal" philosophy is not "do whatever the hell you want." It's, "Do whatever the hell you want until you screw with someone else's rights."




I see no difference between the two. The government can define those rights in any way they want. If they decide one day that it is not your right to live, then that is a right you have lost.
Rights are purely a political thing, people aren't born with them


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Xanthas]
    #5708642 - 06/03/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Leftwing == Mommy
Rightwing == Daddy

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5708649 - 06/03/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If more women mated with elephants, Earth would be a much more enlightened place.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5708702 - 06/03/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
Quote:

Xanthas said:
Just FYI, the embodiment of socially "liberal" philosophy is not "do whatever the hell you want." It's, "Do whatever the hell you want until you screw with someone else's rights."




I see no difference between the two. The government can define those rights in any way they want. If they decide one day that it is not your right to live, then that is a right you have lost.
Rights are purely a political thing, people aren't born with them




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5708713 - 06/03/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't care if you are right or left...move too far to one side and you are an extremist lunatic. On the left looms communism and it's inherent corruption...to the right is fascism. I find it most comfortable middle/left right now, but middle/right could be viable under the right conditions... Liberals gone wild is just as crazy as a bunch of war mongering, rich conservatives.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5708723 - 06/03/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
Leftwing == Mommy
Rightwing == Daddy



Libertarian/Anarchist == Rebellious Teenager


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5708740 - 06/03/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
I don't care if you are right or left...move too far to one side and you are an extremist lunatic. On the left looms communism and it's inherent corruption...




There is no more inherent corruption in communism then there is in capitalism. Communism has had far more historically successful implementations then capitalism, it's just that the corrupted "Marxist" systems implemented during the 20th century gained a bad rap for reasons too numerous and complex to list here.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Xanthas]
    #5708949 - 06/03/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Abuse of power is the primary problem of all communist systems that have existed. People do not function without checks and balences.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5708966 - 06/03/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Abuse of power is the primary problem of all communist systems that have existed. People do not function without checks and balences.




You confuse political with economic systems.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Xanthas]
    #5708978 - 06/03/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Name one successful implementation of communism in a pure sense. I am not saying that socialism has no value in it's proper measure, but pure communism is impractical. Read "Animal Farm' by George Orwell.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5709322 - 06/03/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Amish society.
Most native American cultures.

Actually, virtually every hunter-gatherer society practiced communism, in a sense.

Of course, successful is such a terribly vague word. So is communism, actually. It encompasses a broad class of economic systems.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710279 - 06/04/06 03:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I doubt your intolerance is justified and it might make you into a hypocrite.

But since you only heard this I'd like to see some articles about it, or an official website.

What I think about this is that it's an inevitable outcome of the Enlightenment. Modern politics and democracy push a politics of confession -- every group must be given rights, all slaves must be recognized.

What makes you think you're not a "sicko"?

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex *DELETED* [Re: Telepylus]
    #5710280 - 06/04/06 03:58 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5710281 - 06/04/06 04:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Lakefingers said:
I doubt your intolerance is justified and it might make you into a hypocrite.

But since you only heard this I'd like to see some articles about it, or an official website.

What I think about this is that it's an inevitable outcome of the Enlightenment. Modern politics and democracy push a politics of confession -- every group must be given rights, all slaves must be recognized.

What makes you think you're not a "sicko"?




Well if enlightenment involves this kind of stuff, then excuse me for not trying to be more enlightened.


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What makes you think you're not a "sicko"?




Right now I'm not because I'm on the wining side (the majority), but if this goes through, I might become an official sicko for thinking like this


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex *DELETED* [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710292 - 06/04/06 04:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5710296 - 06/04/06 04:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't use drugs

Now you'll probably say something like: "Yea I can tell, you could use some"


But really, I'm not activist, they can do whatever they wan't in politics, I'm just saying I won't be supporting this anymore in my mind. If you and your generation want this to become a standard, go right ahead, the next thing will be the legalisation of rape and murder.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex *DELETED* [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710306 - 06/04/06 04:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5710335 - 06/04/06 06:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What makes me dissagree with this?
Well, I don't like how everything today is a trend, and pretty soon, the trendy thing to do is going to be to accept pedophilia and animal sex.
The media is going to sell that idea to people, and tey are going to buy it. It is a form of fascism, if you don't accept the new thing that is talked about on TV, then you are backwards, and should be cast out and be called primitive.

And now the other part:
What do I find wrong in pedophilia and animal sex?
Both are garbage anomalies within the natural reproductive system, and while I think nobody is to blaim for having such feelings because you can't change what you are, I still think they don't have to ask everyone to accept it as something positive.
It's like asking that shizofrenia be accepted in the society as just a different "way of thinking".

I think this is all human collective mind mutilating itself out of boredom

It is true that in democracy everyone should be heard, and even if someone comes with an idea to legalise religious human sacrifices, or rape, you have to hear him out.
But that's also the reason why I don't think extreme democracy is such a briliant idea with human beings.
Humans are sheep, always have been, always will be, the only thing you can do is chose the best shepard.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710542 - 06/04/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

if people want to fuck animals, why do you object? is it for the animal's sake? or just because you are on some sort of self-righteous platform?

I didn't pipe in to defend anyones rights here, but everything that you and some others have spouted in this thread is pure crap supported by your bullshit notions of ultimate morality where you think the universe should adhere to your perception of reality.

GET OVER YOURSELF! Go live the beautiful life that was given to you and stop wasting your time trying to hem others lifestyles.

People have been fucking animals and children forever, and will continue to do so, but you seem to have no problem with that, just the fact that someone wants to be open about it, and voice their views on the subject.

Thanks for the news update Billy Graham.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710544 - 06/04/06 09:22 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"Humans are sheep, always have been, always will be, the only thing you can do is chose the best shepard."

Or in some people's cases, choose the best sheep. Remember the Woody Allen movie everything you always wanted to know about sex where Gene Wilder plays the doctor that falls in love with the Armenian patient's sheep and loses everything he owns in the process?


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5710604 - 06/04/06 09:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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People have been fucking animals and children forever, and will continue to do so, but you seem to have no problem with that, just the fact that someone wants to be open about it, and voice their views on the subject.

Thanks for the news update Billy Graham.




yea, that's what I'm having problems with. For ever people have been doing all kinds of crazy shit, but today they want more than just freedom to do it, they want everyones approval. And they are going to get it.

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Go live the beautiful life that was given to you




Maybe you are right, maybe I should stop trying to communicate with people, and live


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710620 - 06/04/06 10:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
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Icelander said:
Are you putting us on? Who cares? Be a conservative if that's what you want. I'm sure that they have no outrageous platforms or agendas. :tongue:




This is not about politics, it's about programing the masses. Of course everyone in politics has some sort of evil agenda, otherwise they'd just stay home and not get involved. But these people have the power to makes things "normal". Whatever their evil agendas are, I don't care, but I'm with the ones that are not trying to make such things normal.
And as for evil agendas, we are all screwed anyway, and will dissapear as a civilisation, so you can't really vote your way out this one, but you can chose the side which will make the fall more dignifying.


:rofl2:


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710659 - 06/04/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
you can't really vote your way out this one, but you can chose the side which will make the fall more dignifying.




right, like slaves on a ship arguing about who has the nicest chains.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710673 - 06/04/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Don't know if you heard, but somewhere in Holand I think,
there is some kind of political party of pedophiles asking their voice to be heard, and they request that the age of legal sex be moved lower, so that they may screw little boys and girls. They complain that they have been ignored for too long.
They also ask for legalisation of animal sex.




If they are raping adolescent boys or girls (the current age of consent is 16, the request asks that it be lowered to 12.  Holland experimented with this for several years, and then bowed to pressures from politico-moral groups & revoked the new law.), then they can still be prosecuted for rape.  If they are harming the animals they have sex with, they can still be prosecuted for animal abuse.  If no one is harmed, what crime has occurred?

Pederasty is far from modern or "hip," as it has existed (either openly or covertly) in many civilized societies for centuries.

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I don't want my kids thinking it's cool and modern to fuck goats, and I don't want my neighbour calling his spanking around with a buddy of his a "marriage"




:lol:  I hardly think that your kids would fuck animals just because it was "cool" and "modern," nor do I think that legislating kinky sexual activities would necessarily encourage people to pursue them.  The thrill may be in the taboo nature of the act, the fact that it is not accepted, not legal.  Your kids would be more likely to rebel against the establishment--"we're not going to fuck goats! You can't make us!"

What business is it of yours if two adults want to call their relationship a marriage?  Who, exactly, is being harmed by this?  The institution of marriage??  :lol:  Heterosexuals have done plenty of damage to the reputation of that institution...why shouldn't homosexuals have their chance to make a mockery of it, too?

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5710690 - 06/04/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes indeedy. :thumbup:


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5710703 - 06/04/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Right now the keyword in all this is "harm". As soon as you bring that word up, everyone stops and thinks.
But as you ask me what is wrong with adults and animals having sex, I ask you, what is wrong in harming another?
Why is "harm" such a taboo? Isn't harm just one of the beauties of life?

Same answer. Sexual deviations and harm go in the same cathegory: something that people often get offended by.

If you start approving any kind of behaviour that people once considered sick and wrong, what is stopping you from approving harm?

And as for kids, well there's no way I'm going to be making kids into this worlds. They'd be compulsive consumers, addicted on adrenaline, and screwing animals.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710719 - 06/04/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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What business is it of yours if two adults want to call their relationship a marriage? Who, exactly, is being harmed by this? The institution of marriage??




Supose you are in school, and you get an A, and another kids gets an A, but with cheating. Most people get offended, and the other kid asks: what did I do wrong? I did not diminish the grades of other kids.

He didn't diminish their grades, but he did diminish the meaning of those grades, where A was once a sign of had work, and now is a sign of hard work OR good cheating

It's not just homosexuals. It's all those who marry out of money, out of superficial lust or whatever. They spit on the concept of marriage, a sacred unity between a man and a woman in eternal love, sacrifice and hard work.
Today people marry and divorce many times, and it means nothing to them, so when I ask a woman: will you marry me, it means so little today, as little as if I asked: wanna go and grab a hot dog with me?


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710723 - 06/04/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Sexual deviations and harm go in the same cathegory: something that people often get offended by.





Nope, sorry, they do NOT go in the same category. Sexual deviations which occur between consenting post-pubescent partners, whether those partners are primates or other animals, do not need to concern anyone else. If some outside party (YOU), decides that they are offended by these consensual acts of other parties, that is THEIR problem!

Causing harm, i.e. physical injury, to one of the parties involved in the action is not merely "offensive," but a violation of individual rights.

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    #5710732 - 06/04/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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What business is it of yours if two adults want to call their relationship a marriage? Who, exactly, is being harmed by this? The institution of marriage??




Supose you are in school, and you get an A, and another kids gets an A, but with cheating. Most people get offended, and the other kid asks: what did I do wrong? I did not diminish the grades of other kids.

He didn't diminish their grades, but he did diminish the meaning of those grades, where A was once a sign of had work, and now is a sign of hard work OR good cheating

It's not just homosexuals. It's all those who marry out of money, out of superficial lust or whatever. They spit on the concept of marriage, a sacred unity between a man and a woman in eternal love, sacrifice and hard work.
Today people marry and divorce many times, and it means nothing to them, so when I ask a woman: will you marry me, it means so little today, as little as if I asked: wanna go and grab a hot dog with me?




You are saying that these concepts, whether good grades or a sacred marriage, can be sullied and defined by the dysfunction of others. I say that this is absurd!

Who defines the meaning of an "A"? If you have been given a good grade, does this mean that you have attained some mastery of the subject? If you learned it from a book you borrowed from the library, and never received affirmation of your knowledge from some outside authority, would that mastery be compromised?

If you and a beloved partner achieved a sacred marriage, wherein both regarded your involvement as wholesome and holy, would that partnership be compromised by the unhappy marriage of your neighbor? Would your intimacy with each other be undermined by the lack of connection in the marriage between "business partners," who marry to consolidate their financial position?

There is no effect beyond what you imagine has been done to you, or to marriage, or to the educational system.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710749 - 06/04/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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And as for kids, well there's no way I'm going to be making kids into this worlds. They'd be compulsive consumers, addicted on adrenaline, and screwing animals.




If that is the way your kids turned out, then I'd say "some parent you are". :rolleyes:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5710784 - 06/04/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

No, no, you don't understand.  There's nothing that parents can do when changes in legislation make something "hip" and "cool"!!

Just look at what happened when the gun laws were changed to allow those under 18 to purchase guns--school shootings!

Oh, wait...they didn't change the gun laws.  Those kids obtained guns illegally.  :tongue:

Um...well, look at what happened when we changed the laws against homosexuality--now everyone is having gay sex!

Oh, wait...most people are still heterosexual.  I guess they haven't heard about what is "hip" and "cool" these days.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5710805 - 06/04/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I simply find it hilarious when society or the world's troubles are used as an excuse for not wanting to raise children, not because of the ill environment in which they would have to live in, but simply because of the way they would turn out in that society.

Parents simply have no influence, it seems. :lol: Perhaps if parents did assume their responsibility and influence their children effectively, we wouldn't have so many fucking problems in the first place. :grin:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710818 - 06/04/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what is stopping you from approving harm?


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    #5710834 - 06/04/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think that many people cannot tolerate the difference between influence and control. They want to outlaw everything which offends or disturbs them, or which they imagine would disturb the proper order of society. The idea that their power can only extend so far as influencing others, rather than outright control, is frightening.

As a parent, I recognize that there are some behaviors which I can temporarily control, but that, ultimately, the choices my sons make will be up to them. I influence them far more through my actions than I do through my words, and so it is important to me to enact the values I would prefer them to hold.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5710844 - 06/04/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

in conclusion..... oldwoodspecter gets the big thumbs down as well as the 2006 Absurdity Award.

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    #5710852 - 06/04/06 11:49 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

2006 still has several more months left in it...and OWS has some serious competition!  Let's not be hasty...  :lol:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5710910 - 06/04/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I think that many people cannot tolerate the difference between influence and control. They want to outlaw everything which offends or disturbs them, or which they imagine would disturb the proper order of society. The idea that their power can only extend so far as influencing others, rather than outright control, is frightening.




Exactly, and it is this fundamental (appropriate word for many reasons :lol:) concept that has influenced (:smirk:) the manner in which society has led itself in America over the last fifty years, at least. Individuals fear that which shocks their own preconceptions of what is the right and proper behavior, consider their opinion on it the absolute sense of right behavior (which has absolutely nothing to do with their religion............................................................... :lol:), and since their view is God's, they allow themselves to do God's work in acting agansit such behavior.

No wonder society is so fucked up.. blame the fundamentalist Christians.

Of course, we already all knew all of this, but might as well express it in order to beat some dead fucking horses! Muahahahahahahaha! Let's rape the dead horses after that! :evil:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5710919 - 06/04/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:shocked: :rotfl:


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    #5710940 - 06/04/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think that the desire for control of our environment (which our imagination can extend far beyond immediate surroundings) is human, and not the exclusive domain of Fundamentalist Christian or other restrictive cults.

What is taught by many religious leaders is that this desire for control is not petty, is not fear-based, is not self-centered, and therefore should be allowed free reign (so long as it conforms to the standards of your particular cult, that is.)

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5710954 - 06/04/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have a problem with beastiality and pedophilia not because they are inherently wrong, but because the idea of consent in both cases is so hard to judge.

In most cases, an animal can not tell you whether or not they would like to engage in intercourse with a human being. In the case of a child, when does this child reach the point (maturity level, not necessarily age) where he or she can make an informed decision about whether he or she would like to take part in a sexual act? Also, one has to take into account the factor of coercion by a parent figure or other dominant figure of authority when considering consent.

I am not entirely sure where I stand on this issue. I completely dismiss the concrete consent age legislation set in concrete by the state governments, since there are many more important factors in one's sexual maturity other than age. On the other hand, there has to be some sort of law regarding consent to sexual acts by children, because they would easily be coerced into "consenting".

That make any sense?

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5710957 - 06/04/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think it is the result of a certain way of thinking which is ultimately short-sighted and not reflective of the nature of reality. It is not necessarily human, but is certainly widespread amongst humanity. :lol:

I think we should push for legality of the ultimate taboo - having sex with dead, adolescent, homosexual animals. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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    #5710998 - 06/04/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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when does this child reach the point (maturity level, not necessarily age) where he or she can make an informed decision about whether he or she would like to take part in a sexual act? Also, one has to take into account the factor of coercion by a parent figure or other dominant figure of authority when considering consent.




This could be said about many "adults," also.  Should we be subject to a maturity/resistance to coercion test prior to being allowed to engage in sexual intercourse, sign contracts, produce TV shows (:lol:), post on the Shroomery, vote for President?

Obviously the biological age limit we have set for some of these activities is not an appropriate benchmark for adequate maturity.

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In most cases, an animal can not tell you whether or not they would like to engage in intercourse with a human being.




Certainly animals cannot give verbal consent to engaging in sexual activities.  Here we must use the "measuring stick" of potential harm and basic willingness (yes, animals can certainly communicate this! :eek:).  If the animal is being forced into or physically harmed by the sexual act, then this is abuse, not intercourse.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711006 - 06/04/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You're taking what I said to an absurd level which you know I would not possibly agree to.

Do you believe that there should not be any limits to consenting sexual acts between adolescents and adults, regardless of whether or not the adolescent is mature enough to determine what he or she is actually doing?

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5711008 - 06/04/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i ask people what intrests them, because i am interested in people, and always looking for new intrests myself-
that is why i ask them to share with me.

i ask because what intrests a person is what they love
and love is most interesting to me.
since god is love, and what is moving between a person and their intrests is sort of the only thing that matters in existence.
it is really the only fair intelligent question to ask anybody, at any time.

there are so many errors in your reply to what i said, i'm wondering if you are a robot?

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711021 - 06/04/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

A tweaker ho who came by my buddie's house started playing with his big dog's unit. I wasn't there but I know who she is and what a whack job. (OK, pun intended but she is). I told my friend he should hire her to perform with the dog and charge admission.

Upon further thought I didn't want the dog to get sick from her STD infested vagina...

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Redstorm]
    #5711040 - 06/04/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What I was saying is that determining maturity is not a matter of pulling a biological age out of a hat & legislating that age limit.

I think that the limits set on interactions between any humans should be determined on an individual basis. The extended period of adolesence which we observe in "civilized" society has not been in effect for very long. We say that someone who is 12 years old is too young and vulnerable to engage in voluntary sexual intercourse, yet they would be considered ready for marriage in other cultures, and in our own culture a few centuries ago.

What if the age of consent was arbitrarily raised to 35? What if the U.S. legislated against pre-marital sex at any age? Would these laws be protective, fair, just?

Let's discuss who determines whether we are "ready" to be sexually intimate, and whether the structures around such activity should be legal or social. (As in enforced by the government or by the family.)

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711073 - 06/04/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think we should have more shotgun weddings. :lol:

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    #5711079 - 06/04/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, that's the solution. Or just stop teaching kids about sex at all...then they won't know what to do!!

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    #5711104 - 06/04/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What I find interesting is the reality that to many 12 year olds oral sex isn't even considered to be "sex" (OK blame Clinton).
Contrast how the kids talk at school or with each other abour sex versus the parents dream world of continued innocence that may have been lost long ago. I'm not talking about 12 year old girls having sex with 42 year old men but with other 12 year old boys. Well of course some 12 year old girls will be having sex with the 42 year old men along with every age inbetween and past 42, but that is not my point. The point is that when I was 12, nobody (to my limited knowledge anyway) in the class even knew much about sex let alone was engaging in it.

The age of consent in the US is high because it allows parents and the government to control kids until they graduate from high school.
18 for sex matches nicely with being able to live away from home without legal hassle, being able to vote, and being able to join the Army. Age of majority stuff...


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    #5711136 - 06/04/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, but what does living for 18 years have to do with becoming mature enough to make important decisions? Many people I've met who were much older than 18 were still not capable of rationally considering the consequences of their choices, much less accepting responsiblity for those consequences after the choices were made.

This is why social issues, such as sexual activity, are more appropriately handled on an individual basis, within a family or community. When we can focus on the capacity of the individual, rather than some imagined capacity attained at a specific age, then ability to consent is more accurately determined.

Also, what is our government doing in our bedrooms? Unless one of the individuals involved in the act is objecting, it is NOT GOVERNMENT BUSINESS!!

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711142 - 06/04/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Sexual deviations and harm go in the same cathegory: something that people often get offended by.





Nope, sorry, they do NOT go in the same category. Sexual deviations which occur between consenting post-pubescent partners, whether those partners are primates or other animals, do not need to concern anyone else. If some outside party (YOU), decides that they are offended by these consensual acts of other parties, that is THEIR problem!

Causing harm, i.e. physical injury, to one of the parties involved in the action is not merely "offensive," but a violation of individual rights.




And who says you have a right not be be hurt? A law enforcing government! Not the stars.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5711148 - 06/04/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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And as for kids, well there's no way I'm going to be making kids into this worlds. They'd be compulsive consumers, addicted on adrenaline, and screwing animals.




If that is the way your kids turned out, then I'd say "some parent you are". :rolleyes:

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    #5711157 - 06/04/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Parents simply have no influence, it seems.

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    #5711163 - 06/04/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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in conclusion..... oldwoodspecter gets the big thumbs down as well as the 2006 Absurdity Award.




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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711174 - 06/04/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Parents simply have no influence, it seems.

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Today they don't, the children are raised by TV




:rolleyes:  Who bought the TV?  Who drove the TV to the house?  Who plugged it in & approved continuous viewing of the programming available on said TV? 

Children are raised by their parents (or other appointed guardian), whether the parents choose to plug them into the Boob Tube or not.  Influence by proxy.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711177 - 06/04/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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why? What's wrong with animal sex?




You tell me, you are the one who listed it as a reason why you would not bring a child into this world. :lol:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711185 - 06/04/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Sexual deviations and harm go in the same cathegory: something that people often get offended by.





Nope, sorry, they do NOT go in the same category. Sexual deviations which occur between consenting post-pubescent partners, whether those partners are primates or other animals, do not need to concern anyone else. If some outside party (YOU), decides that they are offended by these consensual acts of other parties, that is THEIR problem!

Causing harm, i.e. physical injury, to one of the parties involved in the action is not merely "offensive," but a violation of individual rights.




And who says you have a right not be be hurt? A law enforcing government! Not the stars.

In nature, you have no rights other than those you manage to fight for yourself




Yes, natural rights are enforced according to the "might makes right" rule. Civil rights are enforced by our government, and we are discouraged from taking said enforcement into our own hands (i.e. vigilante justice).

What is your point? I was saying that legal intervention is appropriate when civil rights have been violated, but not when outside parties decide to be "offended" about the actions of other parties.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711191 - 06/04/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I DO want to watch TV, and I don't want my kids to watch it, so obviously my kids can't live in my home because there's TV in it, yet another reason why not to have them  :wink:


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5711194 - 06/04/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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why? What's wrong with animal sex?




You tell me, you are the one who listed it as a reason why you would not bring a child into this world. :lol:

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And you supported that by saying I wouldn't be much of a father if my kids turned out like that.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711202 - 06/04/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Sexual deviations and harm go in the same cathegory: something that people often get offended by.





Nope, sorry, they do NOT go in the same category. Sexual deviations which occur between consenting post-pubescent partners, whether those partners are primates or other animals, do not need to concern anyone else. If some outside party (YOU), decides that they are offended by these consensual acts of other parties, that is THEIR problem!

Causing harm, i.e. physical injury, to one of the parties involved in the action is not merely "offensive," but a violation of individual rights.




And who says you have a right not be be hurt? A law enforcing government! Not the stars.

In nature, you have no rights other than those you manage to fight for yourself




Yes, natural rights are enforced according to the "might makes right" rule. Civil rights are enforced by our government, and we are discouraged from taking said enforcement into our own hands (i.e. vigilante justice).

What is your point? I was saying that legal intervention is appropriate when civil rights have been violated, but not when outside parties decide to be "offended" about the actions of other parties.




my point was that one day the trend might change civil rights, so that you are alowed to be harmed.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5711215 - 06/04/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

why would anyone want to fuck an animal anyways?

what is going on inside that persons mind?

does it make them feel free or unique?
does it make them feel one with nature?
or maybe they can only get it up through inflicting pain upon something, consciously or subconsiously?

are there animals that enjoy being fucked by humans?
recently there was a case in washington state, some freaks got together to watch a horse buttfuck this guy.
the guy died in the hospital 3 hours later from having his ass brutally torn to pieces.

is that supposed to be funny?

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Telepylus]
    #5711221 - 06/04/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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why would anyone want to fuck an animal anyways?

what is going on inside that persons mind?

does it make them feel free or unique?
does it make them feel one with nature?
or maybe they can only get it up through inflicting pain upon something, consciously or subconsiously?

are there animals that enjoy being fucked by humans?
recently there was a case in washington state, some freaks got together to watch a horse buttfuck this guy.
the guy died in the hospital 3 hours later from having his ass brutally torn to pieces.

is that supposed to be funny?




Just shut up, your are slowing down the progress of society, when you grow spiritually, you will learn that buttfucking with horses is the way of enlightenment.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711244 - 06/04/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

At many points during history, it was legally permissible to harm certain people. Those who were legally "less than human" included slaves, Jews, women, children, Native Americans and prisoners. These laws were not changed by "trends," however, but by enlightened activism on behalf of those judged as less human.

Will you equate laws which allow consensual sexual activity to archaic laws allowing a man to beat and even kill his wife if he suspects her of infidelity? Is the current thinking about assault and murder subject to sudden change when the "trend" shifts?

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711263 - 06/04/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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At many points during history, it was legally permissible to harm certain people. Those who were legally "less than human" included slaves, Jews, women, children, Native Americans and prisoners. These laws were not changed by "trends," however, but by enlightened activism on behalf of those judged as less human.

Will you equate laws which allow consensual sexual activity to archaic laws allowing a man to beat and even kill his wife if he suspects her of infidelity? Is the current thinking about assault and murder subject to sudden change when the "trend" shifts?




Come on, all of you keep telling me that animal sex is wrong only in my mind, and now you are trying to tell me that harming someone is wrong outside of my mind?
Hey if there is no universal morality, then there is no universal morality, and every action is the same, act of kindness and act of violence, and it's our minds that make the difference.
So why wouldn't I equate violence with strange sexual behaviour? Or equate violence with bowling or birdwatching for that matter?


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711276 - 06/04/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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This is why social issues, such as sexual activity, are more appropriately handled on an individual basis, within a family or community. When we can focus on the capacity of the individual, rather than some imagined capacity attained at a specific age, then ability to consent is more accurately determined.




Who is to be the judge of the individual's "personal age of consent" you are proposing?  Dad??  :rolleyes:


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    #5711299 - 06/04/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Universal morality???  Where did I refer to this concept, exactly?

I am saying that there is a huge difference between these scenarios:

I decide to shoot my next-door neighbor because his loud rap music has been keeping me up at night.

I decide to have sex with a willing dog, horse, teenage next-door neighbor.


In the first scenario, my neighbor is probably unwilling to be shot.  In nature, he would assert his unwillingness by fighting me to the death to determine who was "fittest," and therefore more deserving of continued life.  In civilization, I would be arrested and prosecuted for my actions, which deprived him of his civil rights.

In the second scenario, both sexual partners are willing, no one has their rights impaired or violated, yet you consider yourself an authority on what behavior is morally appropriate, so you alert the police that I have broken some archaic "decency" laws, and I am arrested.  :thumbdown:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711301 - 06/04/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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And you supported that by saying I wouldn't be much of a father if my kids turned out like that.




My statement simply expressed that any outcome for your children would be your responsibility. You've stated that such would not be desired by you. By your own standards, if your child ended up being like that, then you would be a bad parent.

Get it? I never claimed anything.

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    #5711320 - 06/04/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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This is why social issues, such as sexual activity, are more appropriately handled on an individual basis, within a family or community. When we can focus on the capacity of the individual, rather than some imagined capacity attained at a specific age, then ability to consent is more accurately determined.




Who is to be the judge of the individual's "personal age of consent" you are proposing?  Dad??  :rolleyes:




Ideally, parents would be gradually handing over responsibility for personal choices to their adolescent offspring.  I say "family" to describe the entire family group, however, including the individual who has chosen to engage in sexual activity.  If the issue of determining sexual maturity was discussed and determined as a family, then statutory rape laws would be unnecessary.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711330 - 06/04/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Universal morality???  Where did I refer to this concept, exactly?

I am saying that there is a huge difference between these scenarios:

I decide to shoot my next-door neighbor because his loud rap music has been keeping me up at night.

I decide to have sex with a willing dog, horse, teenage next-door neighbor.


In the first scenario, my neighbor is probably unwilling to be shot.  In nature, he would assert his unwillingness by fighting me to the death to determine who was "fittest," and therefore more deserving of continued life.  In civilization, I would be arrested and prosecuted for my actions, which deprived him of his civil rights.

In the second scenario, both sexual partners are willing, no one has their rights impaired or violated, yet you consider yourself an authority on what behavior is morally appropriate, so you alert the police that I have broken some archaic "decency" laws, and I am arrested.  :thumbdown:




Yes there is difference between these action, like there is a difference between a red car and a blue one, but neither is worse or better ourside some kind of concept of morality


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    #5711334 - 06/04/06 01:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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And you supported that by saying I wouldn't be much of a father if my kids turned out like that.




My statement simply expressed that any outcome for your children would be your responsibility. You've stated that such would not be desired by you. By your own standards, if your child ended up being like that, then you would be a bad parent.

Get it? I never claimed anything.

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Well, even without this whole thing, I wouldn't be much of a parent anyway


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711343 - 06/04/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You'd probably send them to slave away in the salt mines, just so that you could get some free seasoning for your potatoes. :lol:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Telepylus]
    #5711350 - 06/04/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Or maybe it just feels good.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5711358 - 06/04/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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You'd probably send them to slave away in the salt mines, just so that you could get some free seasoning for your potatoes. :lol:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711361 - 06/04/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'd feel positively disappointed that I would have to pay for my salt. :frown:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5711364 - 06/04/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Raising a child to the age of 18:  $200,000

Unlimited supply of free salt:  priceless


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    #5711376 - 06/04/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well, it doesn't cost nearly as much to raise a child when they earn their living by slaving away in a salt mine. Doing so provides for their education, their nutrition, and keeps them preoccupied so that all unnecessary expenses like clothing and transporation are nonexistant. Not to mention the fact that you don't have to house them, as the cave will act as adequate shelter.

Not to mention the fact that they typically won't live nearly to the age of 18, which is why you constantly breed lots of little ones... Which means more sweet and salty sex... :lol:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5711379 - 06/04/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Damn, if only we had such mines here in the U.S.  I would save so much on daycare!  :lol:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711384 - 06/04/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It only takes a small investment.... go out and buy a shovel! :tongue:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5711389 - 06/04/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Don't you need a rich supply of salt & a salt-mining crew to handle the rugrats?

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5711394 - 06/04/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

And you people here consider yourselfs different from others?
You act same as me, only from the other side of the argument.
You are supose to be more enlightened than me.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711398 - 06/04/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:shrug:

I just assumed you dug a hole and threw the child down in it, and left it at that.... :lol:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711402 - 06/04/06 02:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:lol: No, the difference is WE'RE JOKING.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711405 - 06/04/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds as though someone could use a little more salt in their diet.




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    #5711424 - 06/04/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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:lol: No, the difference is WE'RE JOKING.




See? Like chimps, you cast out that which is strange to you and bark it out of your little tree willage, in this case by making fun of it.

Just as I and other people are barking out that which we consider strange

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we are the same




So you do like salt.  :what:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711446 - 06/04/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what arouses you?

do animals arouse you?
do children arouse you?
are you aroused by the sound of women weeping?

sex is sort of mindblowing, like some killer acid
it weighs upon the mind with it's revelations


can you tell right from wrong?
do you even care what is right or what is wrong?
is it right to exercise some control or discipline over sex?

if you want to be a good lover, i think the answer is yes.
do you want to be a good lover?

do you think little girls are pretty and you want to be close to them?
honestly?
if you are a good lover to children, it means you will give some thought to child development, and realize that the last thing they need in their lives is you touching them inappropriately.

if you are confused about your own thought patterns and arousal, it means that you don't know who you are, or what your purpose in life is.
i blame the church mostly, and our government, the education system.
we teach about math and writing and history, but don't teach how to love ourselves and each other.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Telepylus]
    #5711460 - 06/04/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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what arouses you?

do animals arouse you?
do children arouse you?
are you aroused by the sound of women weeping?

sex is sort of mindblowing, like some killer acid
it weighs upon the mind with it's revelations


can you tell right from wrong?
do you even care what is right or what is wrong?
is it right to exercise some control or discipline over sex?

if you want to be a good lover, i think the answer is yes.
do you want to be a good lover?

do you think little girls are pretty and you want to be close to them?
honestly?
if you are a good lover to children, it means you will give some thought to child development, and realize that the last thing they need in their lives is you touching them unappropriately.

if you are confused about your own thought patterns and arousal, it means that you don't know who you are, or what your purpose in life is.
i blame the church mostly, and our government, the education system.
we teach about math and writing and history, but don't teach how to love ourselves and each other.




who are you talking to, me?


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711465 - 06/04/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

lol

i'm just talking to anyone who's reading this.
sorry i tend to talk to everyone at once like it's personal.

i'm interested in honesty
and really wanna know, what arouses people, and why.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Telepylus]
    #5711473 - 06/04/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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lol

i'm just talking to anyone who's reading this.
sorry i tend to talk to everyone at once like it's personal.

i'm interested in honesty
and really wanna know, what arouses people, and why.




Same thing that arouses you when you see a naked woman. Sometimes it can probably be some psychological issue, otherwise it is simply a byproduct of the classic sexual drive


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711642 - 06/04/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Why is "harm" such a taboo?

Because, aside from a few masochists and ascetics, few individuals wish to be harmed. Utilitarianism seems to be more prevalent in Western society than people realize. We value happiness greatly, and causing harm to others deprives them of this happiness. The government's duty can be seen as maintaining equality by preventing stronger individuals from harming weaker individuals. This is why harming others is "wrong"; it takes away the freedom, granted by the government (the strongest individuals), to be happy.

Now, of course, this value, like all valuations, is subjective. But, it also happens to be a value the majority of the population, and those who really matter, the guys with the nuclear bombs, agrees with.

Although, "harm" can hardly be considered much of a taboo. If you turn on your TV and click around for a few seconds, you'll more than likely be able to find plenty violence. [Personally, I'm a huge fan of the UFC.] Pedophiles are constantly being denounced on MSNBC, but no one seems to denounce films like Hostel or Sin City.

Albert Ellis once said the most popular game in Western society is finding and denouncing no-good shits. MSNBC's witchhunt seems to be a prime example. Rather than give media time to issues such as genocide, war, or the government becoming opaque, they've decided to bait individuals who wish to have consenting sex with adolescents and chastise them on national TV for being so naughty.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Telepylus]
    #5711659 - 06/04/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"and really wanna know, what arouses people, and why."

I'll go first....let me see...I like shoes and spoiled bologna for starters.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711685 - 06/04/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i'm not sure exactly what you're saying oldwood
but here's a question for anyone who wants to answer it-

do you think there is a difference between the chicken fucker & the family man?

for example, i am aroused by my wife.
but a chicken fucker is aroused by chickens.

or, put more simply, do you think a gay man is aroused by the same things as a hetero man.
as if arousal is the same no matter where it's coming from?

i mention this because oldwood speaks of a psychological issue and "a byproduct of classic sexual drive"

it seems there are valid sources of arousal
and invalid ones
depending on where you think you're going as a conscious being

sex with animals and children produces no good fruit, except in the mind of a person who is confused about right & wrong.
to me it's not a matter of morals or ethics or rights- it's a matter of simple geometry- It ain't fittin' right.

if you believe in god or heaven
it means your ancestors are watching you
and your mother knows every thought you ever had
and we all know that you're a pretty fucked up person
but that can be forgiven and forgotten
what we remember are the good things you do
so a truly good person likes to do things which they are remembered for

when you are busy doing good deeds
you'll notice the farthest thing from your mind is indulging a hard-on for a farm animal.

pedophilia is a different dysfunction altogether, it suggests a person who is dishonest with the way boundaries are drawn concerning arousal.
there is a line drawn in the sand, easily erased by the tides of time.
it is wholesome for a man to hold a young girl in his arms and feel great joy and love free from any sexual arousal.
and it is also wholesome for a man to hold a young woman in his arms and to feel aroused.
where is the line?
and why is the line even there?

i've given alot of thought to this subject over the past couple years.
partly because i'm a nanny for one reason.
the other reason is because i'm 35 and my girlfriend is 18.

i get alot of flack from people sometimes, and i understand their view.
a 35 yr. old man who loves children, like michael jackson, has a young girlfriend, he's a perv for sure.
it's sad that our society is so screwed up that it's made it dangerous to even try to be good man.
if you are caught smiling at children suddenly you are a perv.
or if you admit that you can relate to a young woman who just might be intelligent to think for herself enough to consider marriage and raising a family.

but isn't that the way it should be though?
i think people buy into the whole fear game, afraid to be honest with their own feelings of love, and their wounds or dysfunctions.


was GOD a pedophile, lol
after all, the mother of christ was only 14 years old.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Telepylus]
    #5711708 - 06/04/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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do you think there is a difference between the chicken fucker & the family man?





I think there is a difference, but I was overpowered by people who don't think there is any, so I had to admit defeat, and soon there won't be any difference in society.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711726 - 06/04/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Chicken fucking is acceptable as long as you are doing it in order to get someone else to learn to read.

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    #5711798 - 06/04/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What if you did it to raise money for hunger relief in Africa? Would you lose points if you enjoyed it? Would you still go to Hell, or would the postive effects of your immoral act counterbalance the sin? How much could you enjoy it and still be assured of going to Heaven? Would it vary depending on how much money you raised?

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711802 - 06/04/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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:lol: No, the difference is WE'RE JOKING.




See? Like chimps, you cast out that which is strange to you and bark it out of your little tree willage, in this case by making fun of it.

Just as I and other people are barking out that which we consider strange

we are the same




Well, if you call laughing in the face of hatred and bigotry the same as trying to legislate bigotry, then you would be correct.

No one is being "barked out of the village" by my joking remarks with Fireworks.  Again, if you decide to take offense & interpret events to suit your preconceived notion, this is your problem.

By contrast, the legislation which sends lovers to jail for choosing a partner who is 16 instead of one who is 18, is invasive and moralistic.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711812 - 06/04/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You call this bigotry? You are just as intolerant of my views as I am of animal sex.
You seem to think your way of thinking is right, just as I do


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711819 - 06/04/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I am not intolerant of your views, I am intolerant of legislating this subjective moralism.

I don't want to get into your business, and I want you out of mine.  :shrug:  This is not bigotry, it is autonomy and privacy.  If I am not stepping on your toes, or anyone elses, why cry out?

If you like being tickled with a big pink feather before having sex, and I don't, there is no need for me to make a law against kinky feather sex.  I'm just fine with you living by your beliefs about animal sex and pedophilia--as long as those beliefs apply to YOU and only YOU.

The government does not belong in our sex life.  Legislate against assault and discrimination and murder all you like, but leave the contents of my nightstand & my choice of bed partner alone.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711859 - 06/04/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I am not intolerant of your views, I am intolerant of legislating this subjective moralism.

I don't want to get into your business, and I want you out of mine.  :shrug:  This is not bigotry, it is autonomy and privacy.  If I am not stepping on your toes, or anyone elses, why cry out?  If you like being tickled with a big pink feather before having sex, and I don't, there is no need for me to make a law against kinky feather sex.

The government does not belong in our sex life.  Legislate against assault and discrimination and murder all you like.




I think you don't understand quite what is it that I mind here.
It's not the laws, I don't believe in any kind of legal system (thought sometimes it does come in handy) so I don't care what is legal and what is not. I think everything should be legal, like in the wild west.
What I mind here is the social consciousness.
What I mind are the standards in the minds of the society.
If they legalise animal sex, the problem is not the law itself, but the fact that people would start thinking about it as something
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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711884 - 06/04/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What if people did think of it as healthy and positive? Or just harmlessly kinky, like being tied up or tickled or spanked?  What then?  The decline of society?  Going to hell in a handbasket?  I don't understand what the consequence would be for you personally:confused:

I don't think that making something legal will suddenly change the preferences people already have.  I would guess that most people do not want to have sex with animals.  This probably has little to do with the fact that it is illegal, and more to do with their individual sexual turn-ons.

Many activities are legal, yet completely unhealthy and negative. (Eating fast food all the time, for example. :tongue:)  Why not let people decide what their own preference is, if it harms none?

I disagree that legislation of our sexual practices is what guides people in their preferences.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711931 - 06/04/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't think that making something legal will suddenly change the preferences people already have.  I would guess that most people do not want to have sex with animals.  This probably has little to do with the fact that it is illegal, and more to do with their individual sexual turn-ons.

Many activities are legal, yet completely unhealthy and negative. (Eating fast food all the time, for example. :tongue:)  Why not let people decide what their own preference is, if it harms none?

I disagree that legislation of our sexual practices is what guides people in their preferences.




I'm not saying more people would do it, thought I think some would try it out, but I do think the shift in consciosuness would be such, that If I ever came and said that it lacks the dignity of a human being, I'd be accused of being primitive and backwards, and would be cast out just I am here in this forum.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711955 - 06/04/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Are you cast out simply because others disagree with you? You are still posting here, still starting threads, still participating in the same manner as the rest of the members. If/when you are cast out, you could not participate at all.

There are many sexual practices which I do not choose to engage in (really! There are!), without saying that these practices are wrong or lacking in human dignity. I think that some of these practices are distasteful and not even remotely sexy...but as I would not want someone walking into my bedroom and deciding for me what is sexy and what isn't, I have no interest in telling others that their sexual practices are nasty and wrong. (Do unto others...)

What if they did accuse you of being primitive and backwards? What then? Do you really want to be approved of by those who flout your personal values?

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5711963 - 06/04/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hey I want to be friends with SOMEONE. Who am I supose to greet on the street if everyone ends up hating me for having beliefs other than weekly TV-trends


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711971 - 06/04/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think people who are aroused by animals have a few loose screws irrespective of the influences of law, government and society.

I think it should be illegal for health reasons, to protect both animals and perverts from sexually transmitted diseases. Fluid exchange between live animals and humans is just asking for a disease of somekind.

I even read a news article once of a man who literally died of several crushed organs after being penetrated by a horse. :rolleyes:


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5711977 - 06/04/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:lol:  So you'd rather hang out with the sinners than be alone?

In my experience, compromising my values in order to be acceptable to "most people" has led to my feeling more alone (lonely) than just choosing to be alone.  :shrug:

I don't watch TV, don't drive a car, don't shop for new clothes, don't wear makeup, don't starve myself for fashion, don't wear high heels. 

I read for pleasure, have a brain full of information about hundreds of subjects, like spending time alone, practice enlightened hedonism, and don't hesitate to share my views when requested.

I have almost nothing in common with "most people," and nothing in common with most women.

When it comes to friends, quality over quantity is the way to go.  :heart:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Basilides]
    #5712036 - 06/04/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I think people who are aroused by animals have a few loose screws irrespective of the influences of law, government and society.

I think it should be illegal for health reasons, to protect both animals and perverts from sexually transmitted diseases. Fluid exchange between live animals and humans is just asking for a disease of somekind.

I even read a news article once of a man who literally died of several crushed organs after being penetrated by a horse. :rolleyes:





Actually, the opposite is true. Most diseases are animal-specific, humans included. You've a lower chance of acquiring a disease from screwing your dog then any random person in a bar.

Secondly, I disbelieve your news article. While taking a foot-and-a-half horse dick up your ass may well rupture your intestines, causing sepsis and death from infection, I highly doubt it would crush any organs. The "crushable" (non hollow) organs are simply not positioned in a manner that they could be damaged by that.

Even then, one would be in enough pain from such that one would likely call a hospital. They would inject antibiotics, perform surgery on the rectum/sigmoid colon/ileum, and, one painful recovery later, you'd be (almost) as good as new, but wiser about letting the foot-point-five penis of a half-ton beast near your naked sphincter.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5712044 - 06/04/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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:lol:  So you'd rather hang out with the sinners than be alone?





No, I'm quite capable of being alone. And there were times when I gave up on caring about the human race, but the hope just keeps comming back, somewhere deep inside I always believe there is hope that
there is some spirit within all these people even though they have no values, they believe in nothing, not even happyness and love, and they have no dignity, and would lick my shoes for money.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Xanthas]
    #5712056 - 06/04/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I think people who are aroused by animals have a few loose screws irrespective of the influences of law, government and society.

I think it should be illegal for health reasons, to protect both animals and perverts from sexually transmitted diseases. Fluid exchange between live animals and humans is just asking for a disease of somekind.

I even read a news article once of a man who literally died of several crushed organs after being penetrated by a horse. :rolleyes:





Actually, the opposite is true. Most diseases are animal-specific, humans included. You've a lower chance of acquiring a disease from screwing your dog then any random person in a bar.

Secondly, I disbelieve your news article. While taking a foot-and-a-half horse dick up your ass may well rupture your intestines, causing sepsis and death from infection, I highly doubt it would crush any organs. The "crushable" (non hollow) organs are simply not positioned in a manner that they could be damaged by that.

Even then, one would be in enough pain from such that one would likely call a hospital. They would inject antibiotics, perform surgery on the rectum/sigmoid colon/ileum, and, one painful recovery later, you'd be (almost) as good as new, but wiser about letting the foot-point-five penis of a half-ton beast near your naked sphincter.




The guy did die, and I've seen a video of it, it was posted on the internet


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5712064 - 06/04/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If you are capable of being alone, then it doesn't really matter whether some people are undignified and unprincipled.  :shrug:

Which matters to you more, ultimately, the quality of your spirit or the behavior of others with whom you do not interact?

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    #5712073 - 06/04/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/5034/WA/US

Apparently the man died because his colon was perforated.  Ouch!

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5712078 - 06/04/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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If you are capable of being alone, then it doesn't really matter whether some people are undignified and unprincipled.  :shrug:

Which matters to you more, ultimately, the quality of your spirit or the behavior of others with whom you do not interact?




even though I do not interract with them, I am not separate from them, I see humanity as one big family, and like in any family, when members fight, everyone hurts. And I hurt because some of the family are sick and unhappy


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    #5712103 - 06/04/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I see that many humans are sick and unhappy because they repress their sexual nature to their own detriment.  I see many humans creating misery for themselves by constant negativity and hatred.  I see too many humans who sign themselves over to unhealthy institutions (religion, military, etc...) because they are confused about how to run their own lives.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5712125 - 06/04/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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:lol:  So you'd rather hang out with the sinners than be alone?





No, I'm quite capable of being alone. And there were times when I gave up on caring about the human race, but the hope just keeps comming back, somewhere deep inside I always believe there is hope that
there is some spirit within all these people even though they have no values, they believe in nothing, not even happyness and love, and they have no dignity, and would lick my shoes for money.




i think this describes perfectly what is going on in the hearts of most people.
my answer to you is, who cares what anybody else is doing, they don't matter.
just work on your own personal honesty, and your family.

in the end, i think the only way to change all the ignorant freaks out there is to repair your own self and your own family, and somehow through osmosis it helps the rest of humanity.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Telepylus]
    #5712130 - 06/04/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think it's too late for that, I don't think humanity will be healed, I think will destroy ourselves pretty soon and that there is no time to raise a family


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5712138 - 06/04/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

They don't actually name the cause of death. Nobody dies from a rupture of the colon, they die from blood loss or infection. Either way, the guy could've called a hospital. Unless he was in too much pain to walk, which is a possibility.

Doesn't matter too much, though. One for the Darwin Awards. For doing it in the first place, and not considering and countering the dangers of such, by, say, carrying a cell phone.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Xanthas]
    #5712161 - 06/04/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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an autopsy of the unnamed man concluded that "the manner of death was accidental, due to perforation of the colon", a police spokesperson said.




:confused:  This sounds like they determined the cause of death.

You're right, though, it's one for the Darwin Awards.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5712169 - 06/04/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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an autopsy of the unnamed man concluded that "the manner of death was accidental, due to perforation of the colon", a police spokesperson said.




:confused:  This sounds like they determined the cause of death.

You're right, though, it's one for the Darwin Awards.




I think he died for a just cause.Hey how many people had to die before we learned how to fly?  He sacrificed his own ass (literally) for a better future, where horses will be gentle and people won't judge.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5712177 - 06/04/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:lol:  I don't think that horse cocks will be getting any smaller in the future, so his sacrifice is in vain.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5712245 - 06/04/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Basilides:
"Fluid exchange between live animals and humans is just asking for a disease of somekind."

How about dead animals?


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5712255 - 06/04/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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:lol:  I don't think that horse cocks will be getting any smaller in the future, so his sacrifice is in vain.




Yea, but if put it in slowly, there is a difference..

Pretty soon the horse-teenage_geek couples are going to come forward and stop living their love in dark stables.
It is time those young boys stop hiding their true feelings, it is time they stand right up and proudly say:

"Yes, humanity, I AM a horses bitch, and I am proud of it. We, the horse-bitches, are human just like you. If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
I have a dream, a wet dream, that my horse buddy and I  will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the number of their legs of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today, a real wet one."


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5712268 - 06/04/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:rotfl:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5712271 - 06/04/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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an autopsy of the unnamed man concluded that "the manner of death was accidental, due to perforation of the colon", a police spokesperson said.




:confused:  This sounds like they determined the cause of death.

You're right, though, it's one for the Darwin Awards.




Naw. Perforation of the colon leads to other things which would be the cause of death. My guess would be the resulting hemorrhage/blood loss.

Another example: Someone gets their arm cut off, dies due to it. The loss of an arm doesn't cause death, it's the massive blood loss that results which kills ya.

News articles aren't always medically accurate.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Xanthas]
    #5712284 - 06/04/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I just read that he died due to acute peritonitis. Nasty.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5712327 - 06/04/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

And I hurt because some of the family are sick and unhappy

And the answer to this problem is to become a conservative? :crazy:


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5712341 - 06/04/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I just read that he died due to acute peritonitis. Nasty.




Ahh... That would be it. Such a thing takes a bit though. He should've crawled his way to a phone and called for an ambulance.

Damned painful way to die. I feel sorry for the poor idiot.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Icelander]
    #5712353 - 06/04/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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And I hurt because some of the family are sick and unhappy

And the answer to this problem is to become a conservative? :crazy:




That is not an answer to the problem. I think there is no answer to this problem, and that this is the last problem we will ever have before wild beavers take over the earth.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Xanthas]
    #5712354 - 06/04/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The article said that an unidentified man drove him to the hospital ER, then left. Perhaps they waited too long to go to the hospital.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5712356 - 06/04/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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this is the last problem we will ever have before wild beavers take over the earth.




:rofl2:  Edgar, you're a riot.

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Xanthas]
    #5712367 - 06/04/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Veritas said:
I just read that he died due to acute peritonitis. Nasty.




Ahh... That would be it. Such a thing takes a bit though. He should've crawled his way to a phone and called for an ambulance.

Damned painful way to die. I feel sorry for the poor idiot.




It could be worse. Imagine if he got stuck, and had to life for the rest of his life as an attachment on the horses dick.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5712441 - 06/04/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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The article said that an unidentified man drove him to the hospital ER, then left. Perhaps they waited too long to go to the hospital.




Haha... I keep receiving new information from others (you) who did more then skim the article. I imagine I should've read more carefully. Oh, well...


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5712488 - 06/04/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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"Do what thou wilt" sounds great until you actually see what people wish to do




the alternative, doing what you're told to do, has reeked far more havoc on this world if you ask me.


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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #5712493 - 06/04/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"We were only following orders."  :tongue:

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Re: pedophilia and animal sex [Re: Veritas]
    #5713202 - 06/04/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

When I grow up, I want to be a pederast.

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