RationalEgo said:

I investigated soley based on the statements you have made here that are testament to your beliefs.

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Chronic777 said:

To your mind...

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Chronic777 said:

Energy is never created nor destroyed, it is all there is, all there ever will be
So i am that energy

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Chronic777 said:

I don't have beleifs in this stuff, you seem to though...even if its disbeleif
I simply observe it all, i observe the totality, you observe parts

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You do have beliefs, one being the insane belief that you are somehow privy to the totality of existence.

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Smitty, this is totally logical & rational, its just on a deeper level than the current humanmind is operating on

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I see, so you are operating on a 'deeper' level than current human minds? I bow to your superiority oh wise one......

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Its more intimate logic than dealing with worldly objects, its dealing with the subject, the fundamental energy that animates all objects

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Instead of using the mind to investigate objects, its using the mind to investigate itself, which is most rational
Start at the root...

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Smitty gets what im getting at, this whole thread was for him

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deCypher said:

Chronic777 said:

Energy is never created nor destroyed, it is all there is, all there ever will be
So i am that energy

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You are a temporary manifestation of an energy process.  That energy process will disintegrate eventually when your body and brain cease functioning; even though energy is never created or destroyed it can certainly change forms and this changing is what will bring your consciousness to a halt.

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andrewss said:

An objective yard stick for reality in regards to substance seems silly to me, not to mention this is all a bunch of blah blah for most any inquisitive minds

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Right, go tell that to the scientists. They may as well stop all their work right now. 

andrewss said:

I like how we always seem to center around this abstract substratum of "energy" in topics like this, though conversationally I think it becomes pretty necessary to have a word place holding for something that is in reality not a nice little noun or subject. It seems that communication and words have this in their nature and this is the nature of our discourse. Nevertheless, it seems things seem to infinitely regress. Democritus and his atom diluted into subatomic, then that even more... physics is very interesting and I would love to see some of the physics nerds to comment. But anyway, due to the nature of conversation and prose, I think Heraclitus got is more on the money... when we ponder most eagerly what the fuck is going on it seems like reality is... reality is a fire, always influx, transforming, becoming, and changing.

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I like how we always seem to center around this abstract substratum of "energy" in topics like this, though conversationally I think it becomes pretty necessary to have a word place holding for something that is in reality not a nice little noun or subject. It seems that communication and words have this in their nature and this is the nature of our discourse. Nevertheless, it seems things seem to infinitely regress. Democritus and his atom diluted into subatomic, then that even more... physics is very interesting and I would love to see some of the physics nerds to comment. But anyway, due to the nature of conversation and prose, I think Heraclitus got is more on the money... when we ponder most eagerly what the fuck is going on it seems like reality is... reality is a fire, always influx, transforming, becoming, and changing.

An objective yard stick for reality in regards to substance seems silly to me, not to mention this is all a bunch of blah blah for most any inquisitive minds. There is nothing rapturous for we all too conscious mortals except what we call death. Though just as mysterious is our ego's formation and becoming in the world (and thus is eventual fading out) so too is the genesis (or maybe becoming, though were does temporally regress?!) of the mysterious nature surrounding us (and we are too a part) of what we "tap into"

And I think there isn't anything lying in wait for we humans, nothing will set us free during our lives or future human lives, death is our only respite but I see a lot of happen stance beauty and wisdom in reality as we know it and I am down with at least the concept of a god in the likes of Spinoza... albeit a force of incomprehensible insanity and bruteness

My god is the most wickedly insane drunk asshole who just said 'fuck it' and here we are, and when we try hard all we get is weird paradoxes or restrained curiousity with friends such as rationality and the good and self amiable as guises to supply an artistry pro-sanity - ahhhh but sanity? Hmmmm, whos got the artistry to even say fuck it though

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According to current quantum physics, things do not infinitely regress, there is a quanta for every form of energy which cannot be broken down further (photon, electron, proton, nuetron, subatomic particles). 

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andrewss said:

And I think there isnt anything lying in wait for we humans, nothing will set us free during our lives or future human lives, death is our only respite.

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Icelander said:

So we don't have to go around for the rest of our meager lives hooked into unhealthy and unskillful superstitions that create continuing havoc for our race.

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RationalEgo said:

andrewss said:

And I think there isnt anything lying in wait for we humans, nothing will set us free during our lives or future human lives, death is our only respite.

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I have seen nothing but a defeatist attitude take precedent in all of your posts, especially those mocking rationality and reason.

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Nice, this reaction pleases me. But I spend time "mocking" things I have a certain degree of respect for... its not like I actually disdain wholly what rationality and reason might mean. I just see aspects in pretty much everything that could use a little jesting!

RationalEgo said:

Rationality is demonstrated throughout human history to be a high virtue, so when you mock rationality (as you have done several times since I came here, and probably before) and have a defeatist attitude towards life, know that those two are closely related.

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Haha! I never denied "rationality" as a good virtue! How is this necessarily a so called defeatist attitude towards life? Whatever.

RationalEgo said:

If you base life on a standard of suffering and death then there is no basis for achieving happiness in ones life.

Life should be judged on its own standard.

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Right... what is this talk of "judging life on its own standard"

YAWN... I can be happy, and I can be sad... I sometimes feel depressed and sometimes not. Happiness is hard to define. I have often wondered, in a psychological sense, that there is an ever increasing gap in many peoples lives; in modern societies, and it often needs to be fulfilled or drowned. I imagine that much of our mental power, historically, (and one can assume this task is greater in that sense given the late flourishing of man in general) was discharged - and happily at home with the work of finding food, feeding the family, keeping safe, staking a territory, etc... it seems the "busy body" is born out of big society luxury and it is nice to see how we have run with what could be called our big gaping opportunity. We get advances in our sciences, arts, etc... We perfect what we call good. But at bottom there is this sense of a need for progress these days, which is good and it seems our modern (developed) sense of happiness is quite a different beast than the older primal delight. And I would even go so far to say that it seems we have a new talking point, a new avenue to get a little bit priestly. I myself enjoy much of what I might talk shit on but its basically because I feel the need to rabble rouse a little and maybe its a little childish need to get reactions out of people especially when they are taking something or some process to heart. /sorry for that lil ramble

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RationalEgo said:

andrewss said:

And I think there isnt anything lying in wait for we humans, nothing will set us free during our lives or future human lives, death is our only respite.

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I have seen nothing but a defeatist attitude take precedent in all of your posts, especially those mocking rationality and reason.

Rationality is demonstrated throughout human history to be a high virtue, so when you mock rationality (as you have done several times since I came here, and probably before) and have a defeatist attitude towards life, know that those two are closely related.
If you base life on a standard of suffering and death then there is no basis for achieving happiness in ones life.

Life should be judged on its own standard.

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What standard is that? Are suffering and death not fundamental, or at least part of life, and if that is true, shouldn't you partially concede to what you say his assessment is?

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Life is the standard by which all values have meaning. Life IS the standard. Suffering and death are not standards by which one can judge values. I do not partially concede at all to his assessment.

BTW congrats on your modship.