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OfflineLightningfractal
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Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate
    #3649558 - 01/19/05 07:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Life is illogical, and so is god...


....but that's because we simply lack the understanding


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #3649563 - 01/19/05 07:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

but somehow possess the ability to give a shit.


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: incubaby_421]
    #3649607 - 01/19/05 07:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

life is just logical, that's how logical, logic really is :wink:


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #3649645 - 01/19/05 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Lightningfractal said:
Life is illogical, and so is god...


....but that's because we simply lack the understanding




Life is not illogical, everything follows perfect logic.
It's just that those who do not know or understand the premises don't see logic in it.


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: skystone]
    #3649752 - 01/19/05 07:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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skystone said:
Life is not illogical, everything follows perfect logic.
It's just that those who do not know or understand the premises don't see logic in it.




exactly
maybe some things werent meant for us to know
and we should accept that instead of making up stories so we can act like we are all knowing


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: fresh313]
    #3649843 - 01/19/05 08:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well, even though we can not be allknowing, we can always come close to having some general ideas about things. So I think we should search for those missing premises...

Instead of doing that, I think we are mostly denieing the conclusions just because we can't see the premises, or we are saying stupid stuff like "god works in misterious ways", which is basically saying that things have no logic.


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #3649969 - 01/19/05 08:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't see any evidence to support your claim. All I find is emotionally charged words; thats not enough to convince me.


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3650277 - 01/19/05 09:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The evidence that you seek should be sought by you in your daily observations of life, not on your computer screen in this thread. The claim that I'm making is verified through seeking the truth.


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #3650409 - 01/19/05 10:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You claim that the truth is self evident, is this your way of making those who would disagree feel dumb? Logic is a useful tool when determining if something is real, actual, or fact. You suggest that we should abandon logic, and make truth whatever we imagine up.

That is no truth.


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: skystone]
    #3650431 - 01/19/05 10:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

skystone said:
well, even though we can not be allknowing, we can always come close to having some general ideas about things. So I think we should search for those missing premises...

Instead of doing that, I think we are mostly denieing the conclusions just because we can't see the premises, or we are saying stupid stuff like "god works in misterious ways", which is basically saying that things have no logic.




sorry, i was referring to religion not spirituality or philosophy : )


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #3650440 - 01/19/05 10:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

logical = illogical?


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: spudamore]
    #3650923 - 01/20/05 12:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Here's a thought,

'illogical' is synonymous with 'irrational' right? Irrational' is synonymous with 'incomprehensible', therefore, you could consider 'illogical' to be similar in meaning to 'incomprehensible'.

Although we can intuitively comprehend 'eternity', we can not rationally comprehend 'eternity'.

Some words have a specific, quantifiable, concrete definition, e.g. 'mushroom'. Everyone knows what a mushroom is, and when the word 'mushroom' is mentioned, it is a refference to a tangible object; whereas, in the case of an abstract concept like 'infinity', the word 'infinity' itself is a refference to an idea.

In most all religions, God is described as being 'infinite' and 'perfect' ect. ect. So the only words we have to describe God are absolutes, which, by nature, are incomprehensible, irrational. So you're correct, God (or at least our understanding of God) is not rational or logical.


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: soulmotion]
    #3651012 - 01/20/05 12:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

all concepts are illogical? how do you know if thought is real? or the things that you see or experience? or is logical reasoning only suitable to our current state of living? if so what other logical reasoning to we have to pit up against to know that our own logical reasoning is correct? from history? what we are taught? scienctific evidence? person experience? our own thoughts? how do you know any of these are correct?


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3651032 - 01/20/05 12:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You claim that the truth is self evident, is this your way of making those who would disagree feel dumb? Logic is a useful tool when determining if something is real, actual, or fact. You suggest that we should abandon logic, and make truth whatever we imagine up.

That is no truth.




Logic is a framework of the proccessing of stimulus done by the human mind. Therefore it is inherrently limited as such by the mind which is doing the processing.

It works O.K. for solving problems and complexities which relate to the human experience that WE created, such as for planning for evolving traffic patterns at buzy intersections and such...

...But it fails utterly at life. You cannot logically define what the whole fucking meaning of life is. If so, go ahead, I wanna hear it.

Things such as the meaning of life and the like are only reached through application of the spark of devine intelligence which resides in us all, and then only in a greatly limited way. Limited by the flesh and blood nature of the human mind itself.

If you don't see this now, you surely will once you shed your flesh and blood body.


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: spudamore]
    #3651038 - 01/20/05 12:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd start myself off on duplicable results and work myself up from there.


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #3651059 - 01/20/05 12:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

But it fails utterly at life. You cannot logically define what the whole fucking meaning of life is. If so, go ahead, I wanna hear it.

the only logical thing to do is not to try and comphrend?


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: spudamore]
    #3651112 - 01/20/05 12:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well, since we are alive, it makes both logical and any other kind of sense that we want to understand it completely


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #3651188 - 01/20/05 01:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

>You cannot logically define what the whole fucking meaning of life is. If so, go ahead, I wanna hear it.
-You are challenging me to define the meaning of life in order to support my opinion? This sounds like the words of a person who hasn't even found his purpose in life.

You phrase everything as if you have all the answers, but all you have are beliefs. You ask for people to look inwards for answers, yet people see what they want to see. In an experiment, the subjects expectation of the results threaten the outcome of an experiment so much so that it is necessary to create an entire extra group. This control group will be administered placebos just to make sure the experimental groups results weren't a result of the subjects expectations.

Yet you ask that people abandon logic and seek subjective truth. It is irresponsible to not consider that meaning is but a question to which your own mind has created.


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3651257 - 01/20/05 01:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Logic is like scaffolding: it allows us to build a framework around a certain subject so we can access it, and interface it. Or, if you will, Logic is like graphpaper which we use to connect the points of a curvacious and parabolic world.


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Re: Fuck logic, logic is barren and desolate [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #3651530 - 01/20/05 02:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

...But it fails utterly at life. You cannot logically define what the whole fucking meaning of life is. If so, go ahead, I wanna hear it.

You can't do that with faith either. You can maybe convince yourself to believe that X is the meaning of life, but from what I've seen, people can convince themselves of pretty much anything, and it doesn't make them any more insightful, or a better human being.

We can find happiness and satisfaction though, and that makes some kind of sense.


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