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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: badchad]
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badchad said:
But that's the key issue here.  You have plenty of people afraid to get the vaccine because of conspiracy theories. 

This is contrary to the idea of herd immunity.



is it really a conspiracy theory or is it common sense? 1st of all, im not going to trust a government that has a long history of lying and cover-ups on PLENTY of issues. 2nd of all, how could one feel safe allowing themselves to be injected with mystery liquid. no telling what the fuck is in there. If i cant avoid chemicals in my food or drinking water, im definitely going to pass on being knocked up with germ corpses and various chemicals.


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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Olympus Mons]
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Olympus Mons said:
badchad said:
But that's the key issue here.  You have plenty of people afraid to get the vaccine because of conspiracy theories. 

This is contrary to the idea of herd immunity.



is it really a conspiracy theory or is it common sense? 1st of all, im not going to trust a government that has a long history of lying and cover-ups on PLENTY of issues. 2nd of all, how could one feel safe allowing themselves to be injected with mystery liquid. no telling what the fuck is in there. If i cant avoid chemicals in my food or drinking water, im definitely going to pass on being knocked up with germ corpses and various chemicals.



Do some research and read the science behind it before you say "FUCK THE MAN, I'M NOT PUTTING HIS MYSTERY BLACK MAGIC POTIONS IN MY BLOOD! THE MAN'S JUST TRYING TO MANIPULATE ME LIKE HE DOES ALL THE OTHER SHEEP"

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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others *DELETED* [Re: Gumby]
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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Gumby]
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is that what i said? youve mentioned science in the thread like a thousand times. Youre just as much of a sheep as anyone else. i know those lab coats can be quite convincing, but sometimes youre better off thinking for yourself.


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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: z_x_x_z]
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Yes, I am. I really hate how people make all these decisions based on their other "informed" friends opinions but don't bother to do their own research and read the science. They read propaganda websites and believe that shit instead because it's easier to understand.

I have a good conspiracy for you guys that you may not have heard about: Dihydrogen monoxide. Look it up, that shit's fucking deadly and the government it putting it in almost EVERY thing you consume. EVEN AIR!

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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Olympus Mons]
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Olympus Mons said:
is that what i said? youve mentioned science in the thread like a thousand times. Youre just as much of a sheep as anyone else. i know those lab coats can be quite convincing, but sometimes youre better off thinking for yourself.



Oh rly? Explain to me how vaccines work then. Don't google it, tell me how you THINK they work and how they are made.

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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others *DELETED* [Re: Gumby]
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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Everytime anyone i know gets a flu shot they get sick as a dog.

Im not getting one and i bet i stay healthy besides the occational cold just like every year i dont get a flu shot.

Everytime i take my kids for shots they get sick for 3 days or more and its horrible.

Seems like the shock from the shot to make you immune from that one bug lowers your defenses and invites the countless others in to take hold.


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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: z_x_x_z]
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dr_gonz said:
:ilold:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax



Had you found this, I bet you would have believed it.

It's a .org site, mannnn. Everyone knows those are credible.

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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Gumby]
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I have not gotten my kids vaccinated, good genetics dictate that we rarely get sick

do I buy into the 'conspiracy', depends on how you view conspiracy,
first thing that comes to mind is that the H1N1 hasnt killed enough
people so they've merged it with Influenza-A and the avian flus in the
statistical reporting to show it as more virulent and more lethal
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

do I believe there's a problem when the government fast tracks vaccines
and such through the system and gives immunity to manufacturers if
there's issues with the vaccine, could it be a conspiracy to allow big
pharma too much leeway and those that are harmed by a product get fucked?

do I believe that while the vaccine and it's preservatives and other
ingredients may not actually cause a problem they can trigger underlying
conditions if the host isnt tested for these abnormalities...


how should we define conspiracy, a video posted earlier in the thread
shows plenty of complicity between agribusiness and the media, if you
look deeper you'll see they have their selves entrenched in government
agencies as well, why sould we believe it's any different for big pharma
especially considering how many drugs are released that are quickly
recalled when the death toll rises or in the case of some drugs they
cause blindness or simply do nothing for the $20/pill that you're
spending... the FDA seems to take the manufacturers word that everything
is safe when they release it... should we believe the FDA or any
government agency for that matter?

at what point is it conspiracy and on who's part

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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Gumby]
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You've got a screw loose.

2ho?  H20?

Puhlease.


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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Gumby]
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i know how they work, it's pretty simple. The idea of the vaccine is a great one, but that doesnt mean that it's being executed flawlessly. Why dont you tell me all of the components of the vaccines you get, since you seem to be so informed on the shit that you allow strangers to put inside of you.


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I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Kada]
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Kada said:
Everytime anyone i know gets a flu shot they get sick as a dog.

Everytime i take my kids for shots they get sick for 3 days and its horrible.



it's just flu like symptoms... that's what the doctor says

I shake the flu in a couple of days on the rare occasion that I get it, I
had these 'flu like symptoms' for more than a week after getting the shot

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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Kada]
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Kada said:
Everytime anyone i know gets a flu shot they get sick as a dog.

Im not getting one and i bet i stay healthy besides the occational cold just like every year i dont get a flu shot.

Everytime i take my kids for shots they get sick for 3 days and its horrible.



Well that comes with the territory, your immune system has to work overtime to build up an immunity to the antigens that are being introduced. Sick for 3 days vs. in the hospital for 2 weeks and/or dead from meningitis or hepatitis. Which sounds better?

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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Gumby]
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Gumby said:
Oh rly? Explain to me how vaccines work then.



the same way that antivenom works, it's made in a very similar fashion as well

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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
I have not gotten my kids vaccinated, good genetics dictate that we rarely get sick

do I buy into the 'conspiracy', depends on how you view conspiracy,
first thing that comes to mind is that the H1N1 hasnt killed enough
people so they've merged it with Influenza-A and the avian flus in the
statistical reporting to show it as more virulent and more lethal
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

do I believe there's a problem when the government fast tracks vaccines
and such through the system and gives immunity to manufacturers if
there's issues with the vaccine, could it be a conspiracy to allow big
pharma too much leeway and those that are harmed by a product get fucked?

do I believe that while the vaccine and it's preservatives and other
ingredients may not actually cause a problem they can trigger underlying
conditions if the host isnt tested for these abnormalities...


how should we define conspiracy, a video posted earlier in the thread
shows plenty of complicity between agribusiness and the media, if you
look deeper you'll see they have their selves entrenched in government
agencies as well, why sould we believe it's any different for big pharma
especially considering how many drugs are released that are quickly
recalled when the death toll rises or in the case of some drugs they
cause blindness or simply do nothing for the $20/pill that you're
spending... the FDA seems to take the manufacturers word that everything
is safe when they release it... should we believe the FDA or any
government agency for that matter?

at what point is it conspiracy and on who's part



No we should not, i love it when people use the term conspiracy theory as if it's total bullshit. it shouldnt even be conspiracy anymore as they do it out in the open for everyone to see, if they choose to see it. The stigma on the term conspiracy theory is a conspiracy in itself. youre just an informed citizen like a lot us.


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I close my eyes and seize it
I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship....

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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
I have not gotten my kids vaccinated, good genetics dictate that we rarely get sick

do I buy into the 'conspiracy', depends on how you view conspiracy,
first thing that comes to mind is that the H1N1 hasnt killed enough
people so they've merged it with Influenza-A and the avian flus in the
statistical reporting to show it as more virulent and more lethal
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

do I believe there's a problem when the government fast tracks vaccines
and such through the system and gives immunity to manufacturers if
there's issues with the vaccine, could it be a conspiracy to allow big
pharma too much leeway and those that are harmed by a product get fucked?

do I believe that while the vaccine and it's preservatives and other
ingredients may not actually cause a problem they can trigger underlying
conditions if the host isnt tested for these abnormalities...


how should we define conspiracy, a video posted earlier in the thread
shows plenty of complicity between agribusiness and the media, if you
look deeper you'll see they have their selves entrenched in government
agencies as well, why sould we believe it's any different for big pharma
especially considering how many drugs are released that are quickly
recalled when the death toll rises or in the case of some drugs they
cause blindness or simply do nothing for the $20/pill that you're
spending... the FDA seems to take the manufacturers word that everything
is safe when they release it... should we believe the FDA or any
government agency for that matter?

at what point is it conspiracy and on who's part



:thumbup: Well said. It's not really a conspiracy, it's government business.

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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Gumby]
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Gumby said:
I read this article a few days ago in Wired magazine. I suggest you tinfoil hat wearing retards read this article before you have kids.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience

I would quote it here but it's long. Worth the read though.





what is this hippies vs sheep

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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Olympus Mons]
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Olympus Mons said:
i know how they work, it's pretty simple. The idea of the vaccine is a great one, but that doesnt mean that it's being executed flawlessly. Why dont you tell me all of the components of the vaccines you get, since you seem to be so informed on the shit that you allow strangers to put inside of you.




Alright, I will. Antigens of a virus where were produced either by a horse or a chicken that are separated from serum via various mechanical and chemical separation techniques, isotonic solution, and a preservative to prevent the antigens (proteins) from becoming denatured. If not that, then viral particles that have been exposed to high levels of gamma radiation to disrupt their DNA, rendering them dead.

Live vaccines are irradiated to the point that are severely weakened and only have minimal, if any, effects on your health. Live vaccines not preserved. They are administered nasally.

Since you claim it's simple, tell me how they work. I want to know the cells involved and the mechanisms of how it works.

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Re: Dear anti-vaccination hippies, you are endangering others [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
I have not gotten my kids vaccinated, good genetics dictate that we rarely get sick

do I buy into the 'conspiracy', depends on how you view conspiracy,
first thing that comes to mind is that the H1N1 hasnt killed enough
people so they've merged it with Influenza-A and the avian flus in the
statistical reporting to show it as more virulent and more lethal
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

do I believe there's a problem when the government fast tracks vaccines
and such through the system and gives immunity to manufacturers if
there's issues with the vaccine, could it be a conspiracy to allow big
pharma too much leeway and those that are harmed by a product get fucked?

do I believe that while the vaccine and it's preservatives and other
ingredients may not actually cause a problem they can trigger underlying
conditions if the host isnt tested for these abnormalities...


how should we define conspiracy, a video posted earlier in the thread
shows plenty of complicity between agribusiness and the media, if you
look deeper you'll see they have their selves entrenched in government
agencies as well, why sould we believe it's any different for big pharma
especially considering how many drugs are released that are quickly
recalled when the death toll rises or in the case of some drugs they
cause blindness or simply do nothing for the $20/pill that you're
spending... the FDA seems to take the manufacturers word that everything
is safe when they release it... should we believe the FDA or any
government agency for that matter?

at what point is it conspiracy and on who's part



i want gumby's response to this.

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