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a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs
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freaky times we live in

this is very scary.

what would guys do to prevent this from happening if they actually decided to implement this idea?


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: kaiowas]
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i can see this screwing up the reward center of the brain


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: kaiowas]
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Some people really need an LSD injection in their fucked up brains


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: kaiowas]
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your not kidding me thats scary i ought to get the fuck out of here man. o man just like i suspected all these terrible things will keep happening under the guise of help....

until one day were so safe that were actually kept suspended in goo and we only live our lives on a really advanced computer internet world.... except for the immigrant workers who will be incharge of the maintenance and upkeep of said goo and internet world


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: kaiowas]
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the only thing i could do if it was implemented was to refuse to vaccinate my own children and teach them well so they dont do it to their children. if the goverment made some law saying all children shall have this vaccination nomatter what i would pack my bags and leave the country because i wouldnt live in a country with such laws.

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: shriek]
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They'll never get psychedelics!

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: kaiowas]
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kaiowas said:
what would guys do to prevent this from happening if


lets just say that I'll be hanging out with Osama for a long, long time


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: kaiowas]
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The thing is vaccinations don't have to be taken. When a kid at school has the office tell them that they "have to" take the shots. The parents and the child has every right to deny it. There is a form you have to ask for. You can even say it's because of religious beliefs.

All i know is it's up to the parents to decide what there child take in.

To bad a lot of morons are going to let there children be subjected to this, because the blindly follow the same people that want to control them.

All the cool hippie like parents know whats up. All the parents that care about their children know whats up. All the blind idiots will always be blind idiots. Unless they wake up.

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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Corporal Kielbasa said:
The parents and the child has every right to deny it. There is a form you have to ask for. You can even say it's because of religious beliefs.



and in some school systems they can deny your child access


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Yeah but most likely private schools. The school will try to trick you into thinking it's mandatory. But if you raise hackles and stand up and say this is against my beliefs, I want the waiver form. They will give you the form and you can write it off and deny the vaccinations.

They almost told me i wasn't allowed back to class if i didn't take the shots. We pretty much waved a big ole American fuck you in their faces. Told them I have the right to deny such things. If everyone else is vaccinated, then I have nothing to worry about.

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Then home school if that happens.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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Public Schools in this state will not allow your children to attend unless they
are up to date on their vaccinations, most people that have religious beliefs
against things like vaccines and medicine also believe that the schools are
indoctrinating their children against god and therefore either home school or have
them attendig private church run schools


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Public schools in my state still give people the human freedom of choice. Even if it is against health issues. Most of the people just go along with it. We haven't had that problem yet.

Health issues and invisible threats are such an easy way to get to people. I trust nothing made to innuculate thousands of people. I am healthy. I don't get sick. I take care of myself. I havn't had a problem yet.

Flue shot yeah fuck you!!!! No thanks.

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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you have the option here to say no to everything, you do everywhere in the US, you
also have consequences to face for that, dont want the shots, dont go to public
schools, vaccines werent even required when I was in school, things seem ever changing


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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Corporal Kielbasa said:
The thing is vaccinations don't have to be taken.  When a kid at school has the office tell them that they "have to" take the shots.  The parents and the child has every right to deny it.  There is a form you have to ask for.  You can even say it's because of religious beliefs.

All i know is it's up to the parents to decide what there child take in.

To bad a lot of morons are going to let there children be subjected to this, because the blindly follow the same people that want to control them.

All the cool hippie like parents know whats up.  All the parents that care about their children know whats up.  All the blind idiots will always be blind idiots.  Unless they wake up.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
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No where is it set in stone saying all children must be vaccinated to attend. Yet they elude you to believe this to be the case. Yet if you demand or simply ask for the waiver, they have to give it to you. They always pass out the permission form. They never hand out the waiver. If you ask for it they give it to you. They even told me i needed vaccinations to play sports. I told them to fuck them selves give me the waiver. As long as they have a record of me either denying or submitting the documents of my vaccinations.

I heard of links with autism and vaccinations. Has anyone ready about that?

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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1984 should be required reading for every human being. It's amazing how closer and closer we're getting to the main ideas of this book...


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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Penguarky Tunguin said:
1984 should be required reading for every human being. It's amazing how closer and closer we're getting to the main ideas of this book...


They were working on vaccinating people against the orgasm in 1984.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
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That's fucked up. Jesus Christ....

I'm a pacifist, but if anyone tries to force this vaccine on my children, I'm forcing a gun down their throat. :scarface: :loogie:

Down with the evil empire! :cloud::starwars::cloud:


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: kaiowas]
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Maybe you guys didn't actually read it, but it has the potential to be good.

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Newborns would have jabs which could prevent addiction to cocaine, heroin or tobacco, under secret Downing Street plans.


So it's going to help prevent addiction later in life? Why is this bad? Your children can enjoy drugs while avoiding many of the tragedies that accompany them. It's not saying they will be immune to drugs and get no effects, it's saying withdrawal and addiction would be greatly reduced. However it then goes on to say:

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It says: "A young person could be immunised and the drugs would never reach or affect the brain. Drug-related crimes could be reduced if vaccines can be successfully developed to reduce the craving."


So if they never effected the brain then obviously you would be immune to the drug. But again the last part of that leads me to believe that's not what would actually happen. So I guess if it ultimately just reduced addiction, then :thumbup:, if it eliminates drugs' effects then :thumbdown:


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: jewunit]
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Potential to be good? Bullshit...nothing good will come of this.

Human nature is human nature; no vaccine will do anything to change that, those desires will just be acted out in another way. No has the right to fuck with a child's brain/life like that.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Dark_Star]
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So you don't think something that could prevent addiction would be good?


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: jewunit]
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Not something of this a nature, no. To clarify, I just got through a four-year battle with addiction. Four years of living hell. So I know what addiction is like on the most personal level, and I've seen it's worst. Addiction is horrible, but there are other ways to prevent it....and there's no way to wipe it out. This is something caused deep within the psyche.

Think of it this way; this plan will PERMANENTLY alter the brain chemistry of people....children at that, on the vague hope that they won't use drugs later in life.  What about the consequences of this? I believe they have the potential to be much worse than that of any known drug. We're dabbling with things that are not meant to be dabbled with here, and our children are going to be the innocent victims. 

This story brings to mind the Baptist's plan of injecting fetus's with hormones to "prevent homosexuality".  Ridiculous. :thumbdown:


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: jewunit]
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Education is as far as I'm willing to go, to help prevent addiction.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: JunkFood]
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You can't have the good without the bad...by eliminating the potential to get addicted to something that makes you feel good you also eliminate the potential to just feel good.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: geokills]
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geokills said:
Education is as far as I'm willing to go, to help prevent addiction.




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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: jewunit]
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Did you guys read the article? How does this sound bad at all? It's a shot that prevents ADDICTION. You can still use drugs, but you won't be come addicted. This doesn't even really apply to weed or acid.

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Innominate]
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Yeah I read it...and it's WRONG. Plain & simple. This is one step closer to complete mind control. If you want to vaccinate your kids, go for it.....but bring those needles near mine & we're going to have problems.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Innominate]
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Did you even read any of the posts in this thread?

As for those of you who have: Where I think the potential lies is if it could be used later in life. You raise your children, educate them properly about drugs, and hopefully they can avoid addiction all together. But if a problem does arise, then this could help eliminate it. Sort of like a more effective methadone. Now obviously it would depend on how this would actually go about working. I didn't say it's good, I said it has the potential to be good.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: jewunit]
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You see my worries though right? This will NOT be used that way; it will be used by governments to exercise control over the masses.

Plus screwing with the the minds/brain chemistry of children like that is just wrong. If this would only be given to adults with drug problems that VOLUNTEERED for it, then maybe it'd be alright. But it won't be, and I can see it having some horrific side effects.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: kaiowas]
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Like someone else said, that could seriously mess up the brains reward system.

This is fucked up, this is a violation of our own natural free will! This is just another way for them to control us, fuck them and their machine!

If they go through with this, I'm keeping them the hell away from my kids when I have them!


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Dark_Star]
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whenever scientist come up with new ways of helping human sociert by altering the way your body is naturally born - it scares me.

Have the tested this out on an indivual and observed their completed life to see that there are no alterations to what they intended. So 80 years of observation, at least...


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: laska]
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sick


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: laska]
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Well, I'm fairly confident that if it seriously messed up brain chemistry then they wouldn't use it. You all might be a little more paranoid about the control our governments want over us, but I have confidence that if it was dangerous they wouldn't use it. I'm also confident they would conduct the necessary studies before using it. This is also a UK thing, so if you are in the US it won't be necessary to gather your kids and run.

If they can figure out how it works then I think they would make it available to volunteering adults for rehabilitation. Why wouldn't they do that? It would save tons of money on rehab facilities and such I'm sure.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: jewunit]
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jewunit said:
Well, I'm fairly confident that if it seriously messed up brain chemistry then they wouldn't use it. You all might be a little more paranoid about the control our governments want over us, but I have confidence that if it was dangerous they wouldn't use it. I'm also confident they would conduct the necessary studies before using it. This is also a UK thing, so if you are in the US it won't be necessary to gather your kids and run.

If they can figure out how it works then I think they would make it available to volunteering adults for rehabilitation. Why wouldn't they do that? It would save tons of money on rehab facilities and such I'm sure.



thats a really good point.
Esp. the rehab treatment.

I just get paranoid about government control in general. I do live in the U.S, and in my area I voted against the GP tracking devices that would be put into all sex offenders. It's not that i have a soft-spot for child rapists (in fact a bullet to the head is justice to me) but i feel like thats how it starts out- tracking devices on sex offenders (who could also be convicted of statutory rape - 19 year of guy and a 16 year old girls a little dif. to me) then to all convicted criminals, then to protect all our children and pets...
It's too much, i think.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: laska]
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I think sometimes we as a humans should slow our roll. We could burn our bridges.

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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So does anyone have any information on how this vaccine actually works?

If it works in a manner similar to classic "vaccines" it will create antibodies which will recognize a particular drug. These antibodies can be highly specific and ONLY bind to the specific chemical structure of a specific drug.

That is, this vaccine probably will not "premanently alter brain chemistry" and would allow an individual to respond to normal stimuli. it will block the actions of drugs, not prevent you from living and experiencing the joys of life.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: badchad]
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From the article:

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Babies could be vaccinated with brain-altering chemicals


Who knows how they mean that, though.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: jewunit]
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I decided to look up a small review:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16023218&query_hl=13&itool=pubmed_DocSum

A small excerpt from the abstract:

"Antibody therapy (as either active or passive immunization) is designed primarily to prevent drugs of abuse from entering the central nervous system (CNS). Antidrug antibodies reduce rush, euphoria, and drug distribution to the brain at doses that exceed the apparent binding capacity of the antibody. This is accomplished through a pharmacokinetic antagonism, which reduces the amount of drug in the brain, the rate of clearance across the blood-brain barrier, and the volume of drug distribution. Because the antibodies remain primarily in the circulatory system, they have no apparent central nervous system side effects."

"The specificity of the therapies, the lack of addiction liability, minimal side effects, and long-lasting protection against drug use offer major therapeutic benefit over conventional small molecule agonists and antagonists. Immunotherapies can also be combined with other antiaddiction medications and enhance behavioral therapies."


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: kaiowas]
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FUCK THAT SHIT!


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: geokills]
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geokills said:
Education is as far as I'm willing to go, to help prevent addiction.




drug therapy to prevent drug addiction, lol


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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I think sometimes we as a humans should slow our roll. We could burn our bridges.


Agreed. :thumbup:


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: Dark_Star]
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This reminds me of the the Hedonistic Imperative in a way.

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: DNKYD]
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Well, lets hope enough people see the creepy distopian implications to stay the hell away from this shit. Optimistically, I an even see conservative parents not going for it, thinking that they would teach thier children well enough that they wouldn't ever take drugs anyways.

I would resent the fuck out of my parents if they made that kind of decision for me before I was old enough to sort out my own desires and interests.

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: jewunit]
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jewunit said:
So you don't think something that could prevent addiction would be good?


so do you use any critical thinking at all?

Yes the idea behind 'could' have some good, but look at how we are dealing with it.

blocking seretonin receptors

From what I last recall, and I could be wrong, but your body actually does produce nicotine, you have the receptors there for them.

By going into the brain and blocking how your happy juice gets distributed you are altering the mechanics of how your brain works. We don't even know half of what's going on in there, but we want to mess around and experiment on each other. Then we show it on the TV with happy music and happy doctors so you feel good about it and thus accept.

logically it's retarded!

humans fuck things up, it's in our nature. we aren't perfect, so don't you think that this has so much room for complication in some of the worst possible ways? we know very little about the brain, and then we want to alter the way it funtions? we could quite possibly make a society of of people who won't be functioning the way we were born. This is experimentation on people.


It has potential to be good....true
It has a greater potential to be totally shit


here's using this logic in another way.

why not inject your child with an anti-religion serum?

No religion...sounds good to me. shit yeah!!! religion kills more people than ciggarettes and alcohol combined.

Down with pope, up with dope


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: kaiowas]
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Nowhere in the article does it say it works by blocking seretonin receptors. And I'll restate, if it can help prevent addiction but not completely render drugs ineffective without altering brain chemistry, which is what I'm lead to believe by what I've read, then I could see this being useful. More so if it was given to willing adults not toddlers who can't make rational decisions. Hell, if there was a working way to eliminate addiction, don't you think that would help the case for the legalization of drugs?

So I stand by what I say, this could have the potential to be useful. I didn't say it will be, just if it's done correctly it would be. I don't really see what kind of point you were trying to get across with the whole religion thing either, by the way.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: jewunit]
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I posted about this before when it appeared in the news service section a couple of months back. This will not go through under any costs, for the following reasons:

The vaccines are effective by building anti-bodies to destroy the particular molecules or chemicals as they enter the body, your own immune system would fight these drugs like a virus. Meaning that children who are vaccinated against drugs like cocaine and heroin will be unable to reap the benefits of anaesthetics of the 'caine variety (ie, novocaine, benzocaine) or opiate based painkillers (ie, morphine). In theory this may also cause your body to reject similar naturally occuring chemicals in your own body, rendering them ineffective. If given to addicted adults it may lead to them consuming larger and larger amounts to achieve the desired effect.

Now think again, I am all for anti-addiction treatments but that is not what this is. Would you want to vaccinate your children against pain-free surgery and medical treatment? Hopefully not. On the other side of things this holds masses of moral implications, would you want to be vaccinated against this?

for further reading: Child drug vaccines: the worst idea ever


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Isnt the war on drugs supposed to reduce harm? So far all i see are casualties.

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: j3ckyl]
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There's a reason that was on the Entertainment Page. Now, where's that picture of the baby with three arms?
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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: kaiowas]
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Humans have been using drugs for millenia, yet it only seems to have become a 'problem' within the last century or so. This sounds like a true research chemical if I've ever heard of one. And to be applying it to developing young minds makes it that much more fucked. I don't remember who made the comment a few pages back saying they trusted the government because they would never consider putting something dangerous on the market for the masses, but that's just terribly incorrect. A quick Google search would reveal a plethora of facts that state otherwise.


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I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin. :lol:

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: kaiowas]
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This shit is decades away from ever happening, if its even possible. Also, even if it does happen there will always be new drugs around. PiHKAL and TiHKAL don't even scratch the surface of all the potential chemicals out there. People will always be getting high, until humans cease to exist.

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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: twiggedoubt]
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twiggedoubt said:
This shit is decades away from ever happening, if its even possible. Also, even if it does happen there will always be new drugs around. PiHKAL and TiHKAL don't even scratch the surface of all the potential chemicals out there. People will always be getting high, until humans cease to exist.


True.
There will always be new drugs.
BUT
There will always be new means of control.
So what do we do then? This is not supposed to happen.


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Re: a plan to vaccinate your children against drugs [Re: MushroomTrip]
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