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 Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down?  [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1479244 - 04/21/03 02:27 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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outside = kids who sit around and drink just bitching about the outside...
theres people who watch the news and people who make the news
atleast hippies did something instead of complain like protest
Edited by Ori (04/21/03 02:28 PM)
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: Learyfan]
#1479568 - 04/21/03 04:29 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the world could use a new form of Hippie/Punk.
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: Murex]
#1479666 - 04/21/03 05:06 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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or instead of creating a new form, which would cause a lot of people just to do it because its cool, people can just be individuals without causing labels 
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: Ori]
#1479970 - 04/21/03 06:41 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can still be an individual while at the same time being unified in one thought with many people.
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: Learyfan]
#1480008 - 04/21/03 06:49 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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what did hippies do, that punks didnt do, please clarify, i am reaallllly ignorant, did they have some sort of "revolution"? that the government didnt teach us about?
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1480153 - 04/21/03 07:34 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Punk and the peace movement were both movements about doing your own thing, but the peace culture was starting their revolution from the inside. That's the key. That's the most dangerous thing.
Love was the vehicle that the peace movement moved on. The punk movement didn't really have anything to ride on. Their minds weren't right. They didn't have a unifying agent like the "hippies" did.
Therefore, they were nothing more than pests to the government.
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: Bullfrog1]
#1480262 - 04/21/03 08:20 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like to hug trees and chop hippies down.
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: BOBs]
#1480321 - 04/21/03 08:41 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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punk is not a fashion statement.
punk is not a style.
punk is NOT an attitude.
punk is not a fucking movie. fuck slc punk. being punk is anything but living your life according to a script.
on that note, i'd like to say that the one thing that binds all punks is a certain outlook on life, or a rejection of dogmatic 'thinking' at the least. it is also a social movement. it is a rejection of society's boundaries on the individual. it is trying to fulfill basic human social needs by forming a community which is aware of these ideals. it therefore requires one to respect the individuality of others. punk is supposed to be a celebration of humanity.
of course many who profess to be punk do not share this outlook and end up forming their own little cult around the word. i used to be one of them. go ahead, get high and get drunk, fight and fuck shit up. beat up on fags, beat up on those different than you. punk by the book. but, what is punk then?
punk is nothing.
punk is fashion, attitude.
or could there be more to it?
i'm high, i cant believe i wrote all this.
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: ganjahead]
#1481924 - 04/22/03 09:23 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Punk as a "movement" (ie, after Malcolm Mclaren invented it -- the only hint the yanks gave of such a thing at the time was, what, Richard Hells "Blank Generation"?) was just a rejection of the cliche hippie archetype -- pseudo-mysticism, self-righteousness, naivete, hypocrisy etc. I don't think there was any big sociological importance to it...the hippies had basically destroyed themselves by then and their younger siblings were probably pretty cynical about the concept of a "youth movement", "revolution" bla bla bla. Punk didn't promise anything, didn't even ask anything, so it's easy to see how it made the transition from dingy clubs in London and New York to top 40 status within a few months. The political stuff was an afterthought, at least at first, because it was mostly a rationalisation for being...well, nihilistic punks. I'd say "God Save the Queen" had about as much political impact/motivation as Steve Jones (?) had by saying "fucker" on live TV.
Punk as music is older than the hippies. It's not some extremist form of rock 'n' roll. It is rock 'n' roll. But there was just so much bad music in the seventies it seemed new, I guess.
So...the hippies devolved into a total joke before abandoning their ideals completely, and the punks couldn't think of anything better to do than mock them for being so wrapped up in their middle-class hedonism to think that it could turn out any other way.
Who the fuck would want to be like either one of them?
(in thirty years, someone will be starting this same thread, except it'll be ravers/Phish fans vs metallers/garage rock fans...)
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: Pynchon]
#1485122 - 04/23/03 01:50 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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fuck that, no one "invented" punk, malcolm mclaren is full of shit. i wouldnt even call punk a movement, it was just a cultural phenomenon, and a style of music. it was inevitable actually, if one looks at the evolution of rock.
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1485346 - 04/23/03 06:38 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is there an echo in here?
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: Learyfan]
#1485626 - 04/23/03 09:56 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, who the hell are these folks?
You will probably know LF.
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 Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
#1486148 - 04/23/03 12:56 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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To all of you: who gives a fuck?....oh, i guess you all do... That's cool...have fun and peace 
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: greenhaze]
#1486208 - 04/23/03 01:13 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'll chop down the tree if i need a fire for heat or kill animal if im hungry, but nature must be respected at all times. It's a true wonder and waste of our natural resources just kills me.
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
#1486247 - 04/23/03 01:26 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's the Talking Heads, New Wave band.
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: Learyfan]
#1486273 - 04/23/03 01:31 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes the Heads, though I think they are really lumped into the new wave/punk/alternative movement of the mid seventies instead of just being classified as new wave.
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Edited by I_Fart_Blue (04/23/03 01:35 PM)
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
#1486492 - 04/23/03 02:35 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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if we wanna talk music styles that have political relevence, we should talk hiphop, because no other style has had as much societal impact.
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
#1486499 - 04/23/03 02:36 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I ran across these two quote from Jello Biafra and are kinda relevant to not only what Lf and I were talking about, but the whole "punk movement" thing as well. Thoughts from an insider:
"Originally, every band sounded different. Now it's been put into these narrow parameters. A band picks a style, plays in nothing but that style, and puts intelligent members of their audience to sleep . . . independence and freedom quickly became such a formula and book of rules . . . it wasn't fun anymore."
YTC: Do you think that the underground now is just good as the underground was in the past?
JB: It can't really be compared, I mean it was more diverse earlier because the small number of different kinds of mutants who were all united in wanting to destroy seventies culture, and re-open consciousness on issues that the yuppies went to sleep on. But bottom line it was always more entertainment then movement. It could spawn movements, but Punk was never a fucking movement. You can't call something as diverse as, like, in the early days Blondie and the Talking Heads being called Punk, all the way up to Bad Brains, the Circle Jerks, Survival Research Lab, or, oh, I don't know, Blink 182, all being labeled Punk. That is not one movement. Add Crass in there somewhere, too, in the middle, I forgot the other extreme. So it's basically, it's more diverse now, which is good and bad, I mean, there's more and more people getting off their butt and trying to create music then ever before, but less and less of them seem to be pushing themselves to do something new that genuinely shocks the shit out of people.
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Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
#1487313 - 04/23/03 07:34 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Punk is Music, Nothing more.
In the late 70's and early 80's, I used to hang out at CBGB's. The bands that I saw never had a record contract. I used to go to shows that would be considered 'punk' before the term even existed. Hell, one of the original bands considered 'punk', the Sex Pistols, stole the scene from NYC and stamped it with a rubber label, and took it back to England.
At CB's, bands would play 45- 90 second 'songs'. It was the most infantile kind of music that I ever heard, coming from a Zeppelin/Floyd background. I was blown away by it. The music was primitive. 4 or 5 chords at the most and fast as shit! I remember going to a Ramones show in 77/78 before they were big. Not many people at CB's cared for them too much. It was teeny bopper music. Don't get me wrong, I have the albums! There wasn't any political agenda. Mostly social ones like being poor, how teenage life sucked, drinking and other.
I saw this music evolve. From CB's it spread to the Rock Hotel, Irving Plaza, Peppermint Lounge, and a host of other places. I witnessed the birth of this music.
I lived in Brooklyn but spent my weekends in Manhattan addicted to this new type of music. It was kinda like the Dead. One can't truly 'know' this music until you physically go to a show. What made CB's so great was the shitty atmosphere itself. You can't buy that from Polydor records. 
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 Re: Hippie or Punk? Hug a tree or Chop it down? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1487810 - 04/23/03 10:55 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
if we wanna talk music styles that have political relevence, we should talk hiphop, because no other style has had as much societal impact.
I admit that it has had great social impact, but I think folk and rock in the late sixties did as well. It spread the ideas of peace, mind-expansion, and the sexual revolution. Also, there was a time when Jazz stirred up a great deal of controversy.
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