Home | Community | Message Board


Marijuana Demystified
Please support our sponsors.

General Interest >> Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Next >  [ show all ]
InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
You are under arrest!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 44,512
Loc: Urban Jungle
Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony.
    #11223654 - 10/11/09 12:12 AM (8 years, 11 days ago)

Correction: James Arthur Ray did not write 'The Secret, but was a major contributor to the movie and lectures on using principles from 'The Secret'. He has also written two spin-off books, 'Quantum Creation' and 'Harmonic Wealth'.


Just can't make this shit up folks.

Red Rock News

CNN

James Arthur Ray, author of 'The Secret' charged people $10,000 per head for a five day seminar on 'Becoming a Spiritual Warrior', included a sweat lodge ceremony, among other events in a retreat in Sedona, Arizona.

Angel Valley Resort advertises itself as "a place to relax and heal ... where powerful earth energies are present and active." It was founded in April 2002 by Michael and Amayra Hamilton, both of whom are teachers and counselors there.

The resort is on 70 secluded valley acres 20 minutes from Sedona, surrounded by thousands of acres of national forest, according to the Web site. It has Internal Revenue Service nonprofit status as a religious organization, its Web site says.

"There are twenty marked vortexes and angel sites to experience connection with Earth and spirit, deep relaxation, and balancing," an online brochure says. "Angel Valley offers two labyrinths and an Angel Wheel for going inward, finding answers and getting insights."


Was he Native American? No.
Was he qualified to do such a ceremony? No.
Did he put too many trusting folks in too small and hot a place? Yes.
Was he a greedy fucker preying on the gullible? Of course!

Let's see: two dead, 10 hospitalized and another 11 requiring medical treatment from heat stroke, heat prostration and dehydration.

Authorities want to question Mr. Ray, but alas he has left the state. Maybe he is hiding in a 'Secret' place so as to avoid the coming charges of negligent homicide.

Did these people learn a secret or perhaps not to trust their health to a charlatan.


Edited by OrgoneConclusion (10/11/09 04:59 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleSleepwalker
Overshoes

Registered: 05/07/08
Posts: 5,503
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11223677 - 10/11/09 12:15 AM (8 years, 11 days ago)

:rofl:

Poor James must have had a really negative attitude to bring that about...


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineKickleM
A Dying Hope
 User Gallery

Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 14,812
Last seen: 4 months, 17 days
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #11223739 - 10/11/09 12:25 AM (8 years, 11 days ago)

Wow, that is impressive timing for that other thread :eek:


--------------------
Being unable to make what is just strong,
we have made what is strong just. -- Pascal

Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
You are under arrest!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 44,512
Loc: Urban Jungle
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: Kickle]
    #11223773 - 10/11/09 12:32 AM (8 years, 11 days ago)

There are real reasons why I am such a hard-ass on these types of con-men.

Naturally, I am always the 'bad guy'; the evil skeptic with the negative attitude, but a constant vigil is needed. :lighter:


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleMufungo
Coming at ya
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/03/07
Posts: 2,743
Loc: Knowhere
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: Kickle]
    #11223778 - 10/11/09 12:32 AM (8 years, 11 days ago)

So only 2 out of 48 became "Spiritual Warriors"..

REFUND!


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineKickleM
A Dying Hope
 User Gallery

Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 14,812
Last seen: 4 months, 17 days
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11223793 - 10/11/09 12:34 AM (8 years, 11 days ago)

The real reason this happened, is because you have such strength of conviction that you attract events to happen before you even need them to! Not only that, but you brush aside the convictions of 22 believers in the process.

Damn OC, I might start bowing.


--------------------
Being unable to make what is just strong,
we have made what is strong just. -- Pascal

Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleMufungo
Coming at ya
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/03/07
Posts: 2,743
Loc: Knowhere
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: Kickle]
    #11223823 - 10/11/09 12:38 AM (8 years, 11 days ago)

or at least start bending over... :tongue:


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
You are under arrest!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 44,512
Loc: Urban Jungle
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #11223826 - 10/11/09 12:38 AM (8 years, 11 days ago)

Quote:

Poor James must have had a really negative attitude to bring that about... 




So he was using the "Law of Attraction" to attract bad karma because inside he knew he had fallen off the path and gone to the dark side and needed a 'wake-up' call?


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
You are under arrest!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 44,512
Loc: Urban Jungle
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: Kickle]
    #11223855 - 10/11/09 12:44 AM (8 years, 11 days ago)

Quote:

The real reason this happened, is because you have such strength of conviction that you attract events to happen before you even need them to! Not only that, but you brush aside the convictions of 22 believers in the process.




I did not want to say it, but I had to conjure something up to show JasonVira not to question me and then laugh.

I suppose I could have come up with something less dramatic, but the whole event is such incredible self-parody that The Universe is having a major fucking belly laugh at Ray's expense. Sometimes the Genie don't like have his lamp rubbed too often.


--------------------


Edited by OrgoneConclusion (10/11/09 12:56 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineKickleM
A Dying Hope
 User Gallery

Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 14,812
Last seen: 4 months, 17 days
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: Mufungo]
    #11223896 - 10/11/09 12:49 AM (8 years, 11 days ago)

Quote:

Mufungo said:
or at least start bending over... :tongue:




Oh snap! :crankey:
My only hope is that OC doesn't start willing that.


--------------------
Being unable to make what is just strong,
we have made what is strong just. -- Pascal

Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
You are under arrest!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 44,512
Loc: Urban Jungle
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: Kickle]
    #11224968 - 10/11/09 05:19 AM (8 years, 11 days ago)

More than 50 participants entered a makeshift structure where hot stones created intense heat. Rituals in sweat lodges are a common Native American purification practice intended to raise the body temperature to somewhere between 102 to 106 degrees. Participants should leave when the heat becomes too intense. However, after a week of brainwashing about pushing past “self-imposed” borders, human instinct was overridden by orders from a great guru.

James Ray is one of the hottest new self-help gurus – featured on Oprah, Larry King Live and The Secret – who has only become more popular during the last year’s economic uncertainty. Ray preaches that it is only our negative attitude and negative energy that holds us back from true wealth.

Well, at least Ray will have plenty of tainted money to spend on lawyers.



Greed And Woo Kill Two In AZ

In Arizona news, today
A tale involving James A. Ray—
As seen on Oprah, he’s the man
Who tells us all, that Yes! We can!
Can make more money! Gain more wealth!
Can grow our spirit, mind, and health!
Create the life of which you dream!
He’s hit a speed bump, it would seem.
He hosts a lodge, where people meet
At his Sedona health retreat
His guests lined up—they chose to pay
Perhaps nine thousand bucks to stay
And join with other open minds
And other guests of many kinds
(I’ve seen his website—all you need,
To wish to join this group is… greed.)
At Angel Valley, host James Ray
Was with the others, there today,
Inside a sweat lodge, close and hot,
Where people learn what they have got—
A journey of the spirit, and
The mind—at least, that’s what was planned.
A leap of faith; a show of trust;
They’d brave the sweat-lodge if they must;
And when they started feeling funny,
Concentrated on the money.
Like Oprah’s “Secret”, here you’ll find
Success is found inside your mind—
Mind over matter! Just be tough!
You’ll win, if you are strong enough!

With sixty-four shut tight inside
A score fell sick, and two have died.



--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleBand of Gypsys
Stranger

Registered: 10/04/09
Posts: 788
Loc: Mountains on the Moon
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11225615 - 10/11/09 11:16 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

They secretly wanted to die.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleLunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11225767 - 10/11/09 11:59 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
More than 50 participants entered a makeshift structure where hot stones created intense heat. Rituals in sweat lodges are a common Native American purification practice intended to raise the body temperature to somewhere between 102 to 106 degrees. Participants should leave when the heat becomes too intense. However, after a week of brainwashing about pushing past �self-imposed� borders, human instinct was overridden by orders from a great guru.

James Ray is one of the hottest new self-help gurus � featured on Oprah, Larry King Live and The Secret � who has only become more popular during the last year�s economic uncertainty. Ray preaches that it is only our negative attitude and negative energy that holds us back from true wealth.

Well, at least Ray will have plenty of tainted money to spend on lawyers.



Greed And Woo Kill Two In AZ

In Arizona news, today
A tale involving James A. Ray�
As seen on Oprah, he�s the man
Who tells us all, that Yes! We can!
Can make more money! Gain more wealth!
Can grow our spirit, mind, and health!
Create the life of which you dream!
He�s hit a speed bump, it would seem.
He hosts a lodge, where people meet
At his Sedona health retreat
His guests lined up�they chose to pay
Perhaps nine thousand bucks to stay
And join with other open minds
And other guests of many kinds
(I�ve seen his website�all you need,
To wish to join this group is� greed.)
At Angel Valley, host James Ray
Was with the others, there today,
Inside a sweat lodge, close and hot,
Where people learn what they have got�
A journey of the spirit, and
The mind�at least, that�s what was planned.
A leap of faith; a show of trust;
They�d brave the sweat-lodge if they must;
And when they started feeling funny,
Concentrated on the money.
Like Oprah�s �Secret�, here you�ll find
Success is found inside your mind�
Mind over matter! Just be tough!
You�ll win, if you are strong enough!

With sixty-four shut tight inside
A score fell sick, and two have died.






Jesse James A. Ray,
An Outlaw in another Day,
Now He Gets Paid The Old Fashioned Way
By Giving The Weak False Hope
Just So He Can Buy More Dope

Still, the Best Made Plans
Of Making The Weak Sweat Themselves Strong
Can Go Terribly Wrong
Next Time Break out A Bong
To Share With Your Throng
Will They Think It Wrong?
Or merely Toke Along?


--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineGinseng1
Elegant Universe
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/02/04
Posts: 3,310
Last seen: 3 years, 28 days
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #11226783 - 10/11/09 04:02 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

Damnit!  He was my favourite one too! :crankey:

Damn you OC~!


--------------------
Flowing through beginningless time since time without beginning...


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
You are under arrest!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 44,512
Loc: Urban Jungle
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: Ginseng1]
    #11226809 - 10/11/09 04:09 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

Sometimes it sux always being right about these charlatans. :frown:


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineandrewss
precariously aggrandized


Registered: 08/17/07
Posts: 8,721
Loc: ohio
Last seen: 12 hours, 38 minutes
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11227814 - 10/11/09 06:47 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

betray your bodies wisdom for my bullshit eloquence!





It will be interesting to see what happens in court with this dude - but then again the people arent total victims....


--------------------
Jesus loves you.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/14/04
Posts: 10,344
Loc: On the Border
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11229447 - 10/11/09 10:52 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

What's the big deal? Two of them got lucky and got treated to a real spirit journey. Talk about getting your money's worth! This Ray guy must have extraordinary powers.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
You are under arrest!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 44,512
Loc: Urban Jungle
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #11229459 - 10/11/09 10:55 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

Always the positive spin. I imagine you will be picking up the slack while he is doing time as somebody has to fleece the sheep. It's for their own good.


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/14/04
Posts: 10,344
Loc: On the Border
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11229506 - 10/11/09 11:03 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

If you got $10,000 to spend on a sweat lodge ceremony that is $10,000 you don't need....or possibly even deserve.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisiblemuistrue
Inspired by the mystery
 User Gallery

Registered: 03/20/05
Posts: 12,837
Loc: Behind the Redwoods
Re: Two die at 'The Secret' author's Sedona Ceremony. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11234394 - 10/12/09 06:59 PM (8 years, 9 days ago)

This is an interesting story. I've sat in several sweat lodges and never have they been completely sealed and airtight as people have claimed his was. If I was in that ceremony I would of bailed the moment that dude tried to seal it.

Also they said there were 55-65 people sitting in the ceremony?:eek: That's ridiculous! I have never been in a sweat lodge ceremony with more than 10 people.

I just read an article this morning that released the posts Ray made on twitter the day of the ceremony which he deleted after the tragedy occurred. This is nuts check out his deleted tweets...

"The Spiritual Warrior has conquered death and therefore has no enemies, and no fear, in this life or the next," he wrote in one.

In another he wrote: "... for anything new to live something first must die. What needs to die in you so that new life can emerge?"

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/spiritual-warrior--cleanses-tweets-after-fatal-ceremony-20091012-gtft.html


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Next >  [ show all ]

General Interest >> Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* the secret of Christmas spud 820 5 12/24/02 04:18 PM
by spud
* The Spiritual Power of Place - The Sedona Edition
( 1 2 all )
Huehuecoyotl 1,309 32 10/14/09 01:29 PM
by Icelander
* Sedona Airport Energy Vortex OrgoneConclusion 380 1 08/18/09 05:22 PM
by Fraggin
* Christ died for our sins?
( 1 2 3 4 ... 11 12 all )
silversoul7 10,258 231 10/06/03 09:25 AM
by MarkostheGnostic
* Guides & Guidance
( 1 2 3 all )
egghead1 3,654 52 03/24/05 12:28 PM
by gettinjiggywithit
* You are going to die
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl 8,330 83 03/05/09 01:16 PM
by Icelander
* THE SECRET COVENANT. Full version, rated R !
( 1 2 all )
chodamunky 3,084 23 08/22/04 12:42 AM
by bandaid
* Secrets Veritas 502 4 06/23/05 12:12 PM
by Veritas

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, CosmicJoke, Jokeshopbeard, DividedQuantum
5,122 topic views. 1 members, 1 guests and 7 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic | Stats ]
Search this thread:
Magic-Mushrooms-Shop.com
Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2017 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.023 seconds spending 0.002 seconds on 18 queries.