Home | Community | Message Board
You are not signed in.
Sign In New Account
Forum Index Search Posts Trusted Vendors Highlights Galleries FAQ User List Chat Store Random Growery


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.

General Interest > Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale

Jump to first unread post Pages: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 |  [ show all ]
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: joemolloy]
    #11187051 -

would you rather him experiment on people?
joemolloy said:
Kickle said:
Quote:
Present any animal with opportunity to die and they will go to extremes to avoid this.



If A then B
is NOT the same as A causes B
:facepalm:



The threat of death CAUSES fear and anxiety in animals.


anxiety as alternate to courage maybe.


you and a hungry lion are in a gladiator match, one of you will die.  who has death anxiety and who has courage? what caused it?


--------------------
LAGM v.2.024 Grow log

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11187329 -

lions are conditioned to kill, we are conditioned to fear lions.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Chronic7]
    #11187399 -

Chronic777 said:
Icelander said:
I might but it would be in the wrong forum if I couldn't respond with evidence to any call for proof.

I make mistakes too.:laugh:



So why blame others for theirs? :shrug:

We all can do with a taste of our own medicine :thumbup:


:peace:



My only problem is with people who do it cronically. Like you. You make outlandish claims all the time and won't back them.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11187413 -

cyb3rtr0n said:
thought is not life.



Thought is a part of life.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: xFrockx]
    #11187424 -

xFrockx said:
Ah so that's why that concept seems so foreign to me, I don't even believe in the thing I'm supposed to fear losing.


You don't believe you have a personality structure? what is posting here?


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
    #11187434 -

Icelander said:
My only problem is with people who do it cronically. Like you. You make outlandish claims all the time and won't back them.


All i claim to know, is the Self (and what comes with that knowldge)

The only way i can 'back' it, is to stay knowing the Self!

What other way is there to 'back' it?


can i get round the back of Infinity & support it in any way? :lol:

:peace:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Chronic7]
    #11187460 -

You say you know what is after death or some such thing. But a christian sez he knows god.

But you have no evidence you even know the "self"  whatever you mean by that.

I claim I'm enlightened. You claim ....

no one needs evidence. It's spaghetti monsters all the way down.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
    #11187506 -

Icelander said:
no one needs evidence.


Why do you keep asking for it then? :lol:


The evidence is in the practice & experience, NOT the theory

Is this that hard to grasp? :shrug:


My theory is 'know thyself', if you fail to practice it, why ask me for evidence?

When you did science at school & you did a chemistry test, did you not learn theory, then practice, then conclude...or did you ask to conclude before practicing?


:peace:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Chronic7]
    #11187524 -

No it's not. Yet I practiced and had no experience along with many others here and we conclude it's not true.

And as far as experiennce/evidence of fraud we have been able to witness the fall of many gurus and spritual teachers over the years all preaching what you do.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (10/05/09 04:55 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
    #11187539 -

Icelander said:
we have been able to witness the fall of many gurus and spritual teachers over the years all preaching what you do.


Falling to where?
From what?

:peace:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Chronic7]
    #11187545 -

give me a break.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
    #11187573 -

the only guru's i could say i have 'followed' is Ramana Maharshi or the Buddha
have a look at Ramana Maharshis life perhaps...
he is the real deal

also, if someone is awake theres no such thing as 'falling from grace'

freedom is freedom, not 'now im a guru cant do this anymore'


:peace:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Chronic7]
    #11187596 -

have a look at Ramana Maharshis life perhaps...


How would you suggest I do this? The same way I can take a look at Jesus.:monkeydance:

I liked bag wan. I read several of his books and I agreed with a fucking lot of what he said.

Not that it made much difference for him in the end. Yet I think to an extent he was pretty awake. In the end however his emotional makeup (his psychology:wink:) overrode any thing he "knew".


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (10/05/09 05:08 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
    #11187647 -

:lol: i do love you icelander...

i don't feel Ramana had much emotional makeup
ive had similar death experiences like he had when he was a child 
each time i have the experience it destroys a bit of that 'stuff'
it literally feels like 'fuck im dying'
very very similar to a very bad trip




really what he was, was just a blank sheet of consciousness
a slate that had been wiped clean through ego death
not much of a 'person' left there

perhaps im biased, but i have so much love for him its ridiculous

:peace:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
    #11188052 -

Some people are simply curious and like to investigate that which is not investigated yet. So to ask evidence for that which is not investigated yet is like asking the outcome of a football match that is still being played.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Chronic7]
    #11188097 -

Chronic777 said:
:lol: i do love you icelander...

i don't feel Ramana had much emotional makeup
ive had similar death experiences like he had when he was a child 
each time i have the experience it destroys a bit of that 'stuff'
it literally feels like 'fuck im dying'
very very similar to a very bad trip




really what he was, was just a blank sheet of consciousness
a slate that had been wiped clean through ego death
not much of a 'person' left there

perhaps im biased, but i have so much love for him its ridiculous

:peace:


I actually like you also. In fact I basically agree with what you are saying. I think we are coming toward the same thing from different sides. I looked into Ramana and also feel he might have been the real deal. I'll never know most likely. But shit man I got to find out everything on my own as best I can. I'm trying to face things that I was totally programmed against and from a childhood that was bereft of love and support. I know I'm a hard ass. I'm warped that way. I'm still hurting about some shit that doesn't really make any difference at all. I know that. But I am changing I believe. Inch by inch. Facing my death anxieties I believe is my last challenge. I'm trying to find that way of surrender you talk about. But I got to do it fighting cause that's what I know.

I'm glad you're here posting.:heart:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Diaboleros]
    #11188156 -

Diaboleros said:
Some people are simply curious and like to investigate that which is not investigated yet. So to ask evidence for that which is not investigated yet is like asking the outcome of a football match that is still being played.


If there is already proof for something there really isn't much to debate.

Let's debate gravity.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
    #11188356 -

Icelander said:
I actually like you also. In fact I basically agree with what you are saying. I think we are coming toward the same thing from different sides. I looked into Ramana and also feel he might have been the real deal. I'll never know most likely. But shit man I got to find out everything on my own as best I can. I'm trying to face things that I was totally programmed against and from a childhood that was bereft of love and support. I know I'm a hard ass. I'm warped that way. I'm still hurting about some shit that doesn't really make any difference at all. I know that. But I am changing I believe. Inch by inch. Facing my death anxieties I believe is my last challenge.

I'm glad you're here posting.:heart:


Cool :heart:

I like your take no shit attitude, but also appreciate the once in a while heartfelt honesty like above...

Coming through death anxiety is really the finality of every being, so many put it off until the last breath...


Icelander said:
I'm trying to find that way of surrender you talk about. But I got to do it fighting cause that's what I know.


If anything the fighting makes the surrender that much sweeter in the end :wink:

Its midnight here & ive finished work so im off :thumbup:

:peace:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Icelander]
    #11188421 -

Chronic777 said:
:lol: i do love you icelander...



Icelander said:
I'm glad you're here posting.:heart:


I've been avidly following the exchanges happening between the two of you these last months and this last one I enjoyed enough I felt like mentioning. Some excellent reading material lately boys, your conversations have been the spur to some serious thinking recently.
Please keep it up. :thumbup: :stoned:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Mysticism & the Paranormal [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11188473 -

Band of Gypsys said:
Diaboleros said:
Some people are simply curious and like to investigate that which is not investigated yet. So to ask evidence for that which is not investigated yet is like asking the outcome of a football match that is still being played.


If there is already proof for something there really isn't much to debate.

Let's debate gravity.


Sure we know gravity exists, but try to explain gravity next to the mystery explanation of "bending of space-time" as that doesn't explain the mechanics of the process. It simply putting another label on it. But what forces determine this attraction, what forces make up gravity is still a mystery. Labels like gravity seem to convince people that the mystery of gravity is already solved, but it isn't. And it goes for most things out there. Now how is evidence for gravity going to solve any part of this mystery?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 |  [ show all ]

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale

General Interest > Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Mysticism is as valid as science.
( 1 2 3 4 all )		 Icelander 2,339 61 07/21/10 01:09 PM
by I AM SWIM
* What is the inherent barrier between Philosophy and Mysticism AntiEverything 558 9 12/12/11 05:52 PM
by johnm214
* 'Randi's Prize' - new pro paranormal book
( 1 2 all )		 OrgoneConclusion 2,125 37 04/12/11 02:38 PM
by Simms
* The word "Mystical" has become a slur on this forum
( 1 2 all )		 tittysnacks74 2,747 25 07/01/09 02:34 PM
by Icelander
* No evidence of the paranormal
( 1 2 3 4 all )		 Swami 5,160 73 05/01/05 01:50 AM
by baraka
* The mystical nature of the mystical
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )		 Rahz 5,020 118 07/08/09 11:34 AM
by Icelander
* Suicide Bombers and Other Mystics - A Critique
( 1 2 3 4 all )		 DiploidM 5,307 70 06/07/06 07:20 PM
by fireworks_god
* Can scientific thinking (Physics) and Mystical thinking (Metaphysics) ever truly be reconciled ?
( 1 2 3 4 ... 12 13 all )		 Brainstem 9,646 240 08/10/10 10:43 PM
by Icelander

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
2,644 topic views. 1 members, 19 guests and 7 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2026 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.037 seconds spending 0.01 seconds on 20 queries.