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Is it OK to sometimes steer away from meditation and philosophy?

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Arden said:
Is it OK to sometimes steer away from meditation and philosophy? Forgetting yourself and the higher values that have presumably been accumulating seems to be only a natural part of being human, the ebb and flow, if you will, of the individual and their personality.

Spiritual texts and practices, though some don't like to admit it, occasionally present themselves as unwavering absolutes. More specifically, they sometimes present themselves as something that must be permanently integrated into your life.

Is the remembering and forgetting, the caring and uncaring, a natural part of the hide-and-seek-tug-of-war?

This concept exist to me as a work. Similair to this word(Hyde-AHHHHND-zeekuh-tug-of-wahrhrhrh) because it is a concept that has no meaning to me, it is a sound that needs meaning for me to discuss and comment on the last part of the post.


In any case, I would say the truth of any message is contingent on the current life situation of the individual. And if the message exists in a relationship with the understanding of the mind, should the mind change, then the message is subject to change.

If contingent means exactly something like 'in a relationship), then I enjoyed that and it is excellent to know that because then I can be a good boy and communicate better with people so that there is less drama. PWnage that was a sick line.......Dot dot dot. . .

If you know what I'm talking about put your hands up, this is a mental stick up, don't make me put a brick up and make wall.  If I was normal, I would die.


Good bye - End of transmission.


Okay  but why judge on something that is useless to understand my words, fucking shit already...... Jesus Christ?

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Chronic777 said:

What comes & goes is not it, the mind gives tremendous insights & blissfull feelings which we label as 'it' then seek to repeat the coming & going experience of bliss
This is our ego giving more attachments to hook into, it can even seem the grandest moment of spiritual union, but its still more food for attachment, if total freedom is whats sought after then these experience have to be rejected as passing flashes so irrelevant

What Is, Truth, doesn't come or go

For something to be Real it must be eternal & permanent, its very frustrating for the mind to accept this because the mind wants to acheive spirituality, how can something eternal be acheived?

Is 'that which is' something attainable? Or it is already so?

All efforts to acheive are performed with the ego, the ego must perish for the intellect to reflect the eternal, when effort ceases then what is, is revealed

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Icelander said:

All efforts to acheive are performed with the ego, the ego must perish

What silly nonsense. The ego is an integral part of the human primate brain structure/function. Without it you could not navigate this reality. In other words you would cease to exist.

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I don't feel i navigate this reality

You may think that i control myself typing this post, but i dont have a choice about it, i either feel compelled to respond or not, the content of what i reply comes from what i effortlessly carry as knowledge in my mind, 'i' don't do anything,
first thoughts move, compell & cause an action to happen, but what have 'i' actually done? a movement happened in me, which caused other movements to happen, but i haven't moved

Ceasing to exist as the ego is the greatest, or just seeing you are not defined by the ego, then ego plays out, but your not sucked into it, you stand back & watch your life like a nature documentary

Icelander said:

except you that is. Are you telling me (especially with your avatar) that you aren't reading books on all this?

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i dont read books much anymore, havent for a long time...

actually i read a pocket size rumi poetry book the other day, first one in months

ive read under 12 books the whole way through in my whole life (excluding kiddie stuff)
3 of those books were by ramana maharshi, tbh they were the only ones worth reading

the Self is the only thing worth knowing as its everything
you can't know the Self by reading books
thats what he said, so i looked into it...

its True

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The words of Sages are alive with freshness

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To me, while cultivating awareness, a neat realization that begins to emerge is that even fools and rocks are "sages". All the elucidation that occurs, and the breaking down of the sense of the world as 'other', can be brought about through a variety of means. I think it is more common to come across spiritual realization in average, every day packages. Like the adage goes, there is something to be learned from everything. And the trick is to see that the mundane is the everything. Samsara is Nirvana. A pretty radical view that might get you shot in your local Sangha. Ok, maybe not shot.

It is inspiring for me to think that although communication--in all of its many forms--physically introduces new sound waves and symbolic arrangement of ink, it never comes and takes a seat in your mind. There is no empty void or gaps that are awaiting puzzle pieces to be come along and offer itself as filler material at the right moment. The building material, if you will, for great spiritual understanding is already there. Our pre-wiring IS the spiritual tabula rasa. Mind, like brain (using the neuroplasticity metaphor), is fluid and malleable. So the blueprints and potentials are already in place.

Does this make sense?