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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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primordial dwarfism: debunking brain beliefs?
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primordial dwarfism is an extremely rare genetic disorder that basically creates a normal human, but about half the size. everything is proportionate, even their brain.

therefor, their brains are easily half the size of a normal person, but there seems to be no difference in how smart they are.

does this simply debunk the concept that brain size really matters that much? if that is true, then what does that say for the idea that as mans brains got bigger, so did our smarts? meaning: does it debunk the idea that technological advancement came about as our brains got bigger, or was it just coincidence....

maybe we have the cause and effect backwards?

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Re: primordial dwarfism: debunking brain beliefs? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Maybe our brains got bigger to fill the extra space in our heads to keep it from bouncing around up there and what have you...

As you know we only use a portion of our brains so I don't think size has much effect.

I have no idea thats just what I came up with off the top of my head.


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Re: primordial dwarfism: debunking brain beliefs? [Re: MHbound]
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it s not total size they look at but brain size in respect to the body size. all about ratios.

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Re: primordial dwarfism: debunking brain beliefs? [Re: blueyesopn]
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Yeah, I also thought the argument was that compared to our ancestors our brains were larger in proportion to our body size and that its demands on our metabolism and circulatory system were likewise larger.

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Re: primordial dwarfism: debunking brain beliefs? [Re: johnm214]
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Our brains didn't get bigger as we evolved by pure mass. Our brains got bigger because we evolved new functions and sections of the brain. Example: A simple organism has a very small brain that performs the functions of the human brain stem (basic life functions such as breathing and heart beat), while a more evolved organism has a bigger brain that has evolved a cerebrum, which makes that organism capable of higher thought. A primordial dwarf still has all of the complex structures of a human brain, so they are equal in intelligence to a normal human.


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"If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things through narrow chinks of his cavern." - William Blake

"Psychedelics helped me to escape.. albeit momentarily.. from the prison of my mind. It over-rode the habit patterns of thought and I was able to taste innocence again. Looking at sensations freshly without the conceptual overlay was very profound." - Ram Das

Edited by teeter (08/02/09 11:40 PM)

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Re: primordial dwarfism: debunking brain beliefs? [Re: teeter]
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...and actually all the primordial dwarves i have ever seen have seemed pretty darn crazy.

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Re: primordial dwarfism: debunking brain beliefs? [Re: teeter]
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Negative everything in science says and shows that we only use portions of our brains. I think we use more than science shows up but I highly doubt we use the majority of it I have reasons for saying this but I won't clog the thread with it.


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Re: primordial dwarfism: debunking brain beliefs? [Re: MHbound]
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The human brain is extremely powerful, meditation and psychedelics have shown me as much. We could go so much further as a species if we could harness our consciousness and use its full potential.


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Re: primordial dwarfism: debunking brain beliefs? [Re: MHbound]
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MHbound said:
Negative everything in science says and shows that we only use portions of our brains. I think we
use more than science shows up but I highly doubt we use the majority of it I have reasons for saying this but I won't clog the thread with it.



it is not that we use only a portion of our brain, but rather we use a portion of our brain at a time. We have specialized sections for different tasks.

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Re: primordial dwarfism: debunking brain beliefs? [Re: blueyesopn]
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blueyesopn said:
MHbound said:
Negative everything in science says and shows that we only use portions of our brains. I think we
use more than science shows up but I highly doubt we use the majority of it I have reasons for saying this but I won't clog the thread with it.



it is not that we use only a portion of our brain, but rather we use a portion of our brain at a time. We have specialized sections for different tasks.


Right thats what I was saying. Its not like 90% of our brain is never used, we just only use 10% at a time.


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"If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things through narrow chinks of his cavern." - William Blake

"Psychedelics helped me to escape.. albeit momentarily.. from the prison of my mind. It over-rode the habit patterns of thought and I was able to taste innocence again. Looking at sensations freshly without the conceptual overlay was very profound." - Ram Das

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Re: primordial dwarfism: debunking brain beliefs? [Re: teeter]
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That's kind of where I was going with this thread but I didn't want to flood it with my rants. But yea I agree.


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Re: primordial dwarfism: debunking brain beliefs? [Re: MHbound]
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MHbound said:
...everything in science says and shows that we only use portions of our brains.


Yeah, but our science is probably flawed then.  After all, we only used a portion of our brains to develop it.  How do they figure this out anyway?  MRIs?  Autopsy evidence?

Sad truth:  We're probably using our entire brain.  :shrug:


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Re: primordial dwarfism: debunking brain beliefs? [Re: sterbeklang]
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Yea that's kind of where I was going as well :lol:

I had so much to type I just didn't. Our science is limited to what it can prove and show. Some day I hope we have a way to better study the brain but right now its a sad fact that we don't. We use MRIs and use cues to stimulate the brain and see which parts of the brain is activated during this. They show these parts of the brain active and blah blah blah but what happens when you mix them? Or maybe their brain isn't acting as it normally would under other circumstances.

Obviously it goes much deeper than this its just what I feel is at least covering some of the surface.


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