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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
If you own a business, then you might be a tasty fish for them. :smirk:


I don't believe in the IRS either, but they fucked my dad over a while ago (he owns a small business). All I'm saying is to play it safe.  :lil8ball:



so i should buy an 8 ball of coke?


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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I can give you many reasons why you should, and many reasons why you shouldn't. In the end, it's up to you.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Poid]
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this may be a generalization but only losers do coke.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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I've done it, and it wasn't too great. I'd say only losers become addicted to coke. There are stories of rich, successful people losing it all because of a coke addiction, those are the true losers.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Coca leaves are where it's at.


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: MushroomTrip]
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The American Dream. The dream of being born into a white protestant family from the north east with established wealth and social standing. The dream of having the wealth to achieve your goals by getting an education from a prestigious University because competition is fierce and those who have the best credentials win the game. A dream of social castes based on fitness of those who, the fittest being those born with wealth and social status, prosper and are capable to rule over the rest. Being fit and having wealth to enable you to achieve your goals and bend the law so you can achieve your dreams. A dream where education and social status takes precedence to the welfare and health of the common citizen. The fittest being those who were born fit to rule by birth, wealth and achievements. Achievements enabled by those born in circumstances able to achieve them in the first place. A dream where if you play along with the game and pay your dues, hot naked chicks are waiting for you by the dozens. A dream where equality is only a relative term applied to the appropriation of social status. A dream where everyone has their place in society and through hard work you can rise to the top and earn enough money to live easier but you can never really ever escape the stigma of your birth caste. There always was an American dream and that dream will always live in our hearts even after the they are ripped out of our chests still beating, beating to the rhythm of the American dream which is a dream that works only if you dare to dream it.

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
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"A dream where...you can never really ever escape the stigma of your birth caste."

What kind of dream is this?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Poid]
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It's the kind of dream that lured millions of poor hopeless people to a country where they were made to work 20 hours a day for a penny for a guy making tons of profit off their cheap labor.

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
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I can't believe how fucked up some rich people can be. :nonono:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
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Quetzalcohuatl said:
The American Dream. The dream of being born into a white protestant family from the north east with established wealth and social standing. The dream of having the wealth to achieve your goals by getting an education from a prestigious University because competition is fierce and those who have the best credentials win the game. A dream of social castes based on fitness of those who, the fittest being those born with wealth and social status, prosper and are capable to rule over the rest. Being fit and having wealth to enable you to achieve your goals and bend the law so you can achieve your dreams. A dream where education and social status takes precedence to the welfare and health of the common citizen. The fittest being those who were born fit to rule by birth, wealth and achievements. Achievements enabled by those born in circumstances able to achieve them in the first place. A dream where if you play along with the game and pay your dues, hot naked chicks are waiting for you by the dozens. A dream where equality is only a relative term applied to the appropriation of social status. A dream where everyone has their place in society and through hard work you can rise to the top and earn enough money to live easier but you can never really ever escape the stigma of your birth caste. There always was an American dream and that dream will always live in our hearts even after the they are ripped out of our chests still beating, beating to the rhythm of the American dream which is a dream that works only if you dare to dream it.



That's exactly what my idea of the american dream was until i came i here. Everyone ive discussed this with outside of the shroomery had the same idea of the dream.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Jack Albertson said:
Quetzalcohuatl said:
The American Dream. The dream of being born into a white protestant family from the north east with established wealth and social standing. The dream of having the wealth to achieve your goals by getting an education from a prestigious University because competition is fierce and those who have the best credentials win the game. A dream of social castes based on fitness of those who, the fittest being those born with wealth and social status, prosper and are capable to rule over the rest. Being fit and having wealth to enable you to achieve your goals and bend the law so you can achieve your dreams. A dream where education and social status takes precedence to the welfare and health of the common citizen. The fittest being those who were born fit to rule by birth, wealth and achievements. Achievements enabled by those born in circumstances able to achieve them in the first place. A dream where if you play along with the game and pay your dues, hot naked chicks are waiting for you by the dozens. A dream where equality is only a relative term applied to the appropriation of social status. A dream where everyone has their place in society and through hard work you can rise to the top and earn enough money to live easier but you can never really ever escape the stigma of your birth caste. There always was an American dream and that dream will always live in our hearts even after the they are ripped out of our chests still beating, beating to the rhythm of the American dream which is a dream that works only if you dare to dream it.



That's exactly what my idea of the american dream was until i came i here. Everyone ive discussed this with outside of the shroomery had the same idea of the dream.





:confused:


So you thought the american dream was some terrible caste system that was obviously unjust... and this was what motivated people to move to the country and speak fondly of their plans for the future?



What are you talking about?  Every thing I've ever read that mentioned the american dream has referred to it in positive connotations.


Are you just being iconoclastic for its own sake or do you really read/watch/whatever things taht refer to the american dream as some oppresive thing?

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: johnm214]
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The idea of the dream is sounds great, but in actuality youre just chasing after things that dont matter until you die. It's presented in such a way that it seems fantastic, im sure in other countries america seems like disneyland, until you get here and live for a few years. Im talking about the american dream as it's been advertised to man, not the ideal situation for americans to live in. That will never happen.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
I am 20, but what does that have to do with my hygiene? :tongue:




I means you have a long time to live before you can claim you have rejected the matrix. Hell you might still live at your parents home for all I know.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Jack Albertson said:
Icelander said:
Gee why don't I believe you. So you walk down the street smoking your bong and share all your drugs openly in the street. You don't pay war taxes and you never vote in any elections.

What did we do? We did exactly what we continue to do. Live, buy, consume, die, and never pause to think our way of life is paid for by war and death.

And most all the fools of the 70s now vote for obama or bush and fail at a  mortgage for a bigger house then they could ever need.



why would i want to walk down the street smoking a bong? that's not very practical. But yes i do smoke weed in public. If someone is smoking a cigarette it's only fair. I dont vote, and if i do it's state, and even that's rare. I do not pay taxes.




So if you saw a cop coming you would smoke weed in front of him? If you don't pay taxes how do you support yourself? Do you use currency? That supports the system. If you vote at all you support the system. No matter how much you claim to be beyond it all you make use of much that this culture has to offer.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Poid said:
I am 20, but what does that have to do with my hygiene? :tongue:




I means you have a long time to live before you can claim you have rejected the matrix. Hell you might still live at your parents home for all I know.



I don't live with my parents, but they are still financially supporting me. Have you ever met anyone who successfully rejected the matrix?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Poid]
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So your claim of not paying taxes was because you are living off your parents taxes.:lol:

No we are stuck in the matrix for life.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Icelander]
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I'm going to find a way to escape, just watch! :seeya:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Poid]
    #10232133 -

You can start by posting at the Shroomery.:crazy2:

Every young psychedelic 20 year old thinks they gonna escape. Then at thirty the start thinking it makes sense to vote Republican.:monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Icelander]
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It's all part of the machine's operation, I am merely a program. :badcomputer:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Jack Albertson said:
Icelander said:
Gee why don't I believe you. So you walk down the street smoking your bong and share all your drugs openly in the street. You don't pay war taxes and you never vote in any elections.

What did we do? We did exactly what we continue to do. Live, buy, consume, die, and never pause to think our way of life is paid for by war and death.

And most all the fools of the 70s now vote for obama or bush and fail at a  mortgage for a bigger house then they could ever need.



why would i want to walk down the street smoking a bong? that's not very practical. But yes i do smoke weed in public. If someone is smoking a cigarette it's only fair. I dont vote, and if i do it's state, and even that's rare. I do not pay taxes.




So if you saw a cop coming you would smoke weed in front of him? If you don't pay taxes how do you support yourself? Do you use currency? That supports the system. If you vote at all you support the system. No matter how much you claim to be beyond it all you make use of much that this culture has to offer.



Why should i be afraid of cops? It's nearly impossible to live in this country without being part of the problem, but it's about balance. You do as much as you can to change things, yet do what you must to survive. Im working towards 100% self sufficiency, so i gotta ween myself off of uncle sams lumpy hairy tit one suckle at a time.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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