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Re: 2012 [Re: Hubbub]
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Hubbub said:
We could shift our consciousness, but no one knows how. If we knew how, it would have been done already. This isnt something you can study, this isnt something that can be tought, this isnt something easily achievable. How am I suppost to globally shift the entire consciousness of the human race?

How can I realize something that I cant fuckin realize? Is it my fault because I dont understand? How can I understand if I cant comprehend it? In my opinion it is not even possible without some sort of divine intervention.


Have you ever tried hallucinogenics......


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Re: 2012 [Re: MushHunter08]
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yes of course, thats why I joined this site. And they have tought me great things. Like the world is the reflection of myself, the truth of the heart, and the way toward the path.

But not everyone gets that from a phsycodelic experience and alot of people wont even understand what I just wrote.

Youd be surprised. Not everyone who does hallucinogens get these insights. Ive met some real D bags who trip shrooms and smoke salvia. I guess they didnt get the message, I dont know.

Alot of people just dont understand what its about. I was not really speaking for myself. And alot of people do not do hallucinogens. I dont believe hallucinogens are the answer, though in my experiences, they do make the answers more obvious.

P.S. I edited the post you replied to. Probably sounds more intelligent now.


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Re: 2012 [Re: Hubbub]
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Hubbub said:
yes of course, thats why I joined this site. And they have tought me great things. Like the world is the reflection of myself, the truth of the heart, and the way toward the path.

But not everyone gets that from a phsycodelic experience and alot of people wont even understand what I just wrote.

Youd be surprised. Not everyone who does hallucinogens get these insights. Ive met some real D bags who trip shrooms and smoke salvia. I guess they didnt get the message, I dont know.

Alot of people just dont understand what its about. I was not really speaking for myself. And alot of people do not do hallucinogens. I dont believe hallucinogens are the answer, though in my experiences, they do make the answers more obvious.

P.S. I edited the post you replied to. Probably sounds more intelligent now.


See here I disagree. If we can use something that if we truly listen to ourselves gain a greater consciousness how can it not be good or even helpful? Now, don't get me wrong. I know there are those out there that just want to get fucked up on drugs etc, but if they actually took the time to stop and think instead of being selfish. Perhaps they would better understand why it is so great to get fucked up in the first place. Unless they are just trying to find a temporary hiding place from their lives. Though that is a whole other discussion.


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-William Blake-

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Re: 2012 [Re: MushHunter08]
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The banning of entheogens is part of the problem and the view our culture has on entheogens is also part of the problem, but entheogens themselvs I dont think is the solution.

I believe that they do help with the evolution of human cosnciousness, but they can only take you so far. What your talking about is the global consciousness of mankind awakening to its full potential. I dont think simply making entheogens available to everyone is going to make that happen. I mean... it has never happened. And although I do understand more now than I used to, I still am aware that I really dont know too much of anything at all. I havent made the next step into human consiousness with my entheogen use. Have you? I would call you ignorent if you told me you did.

The next step is just something so fantastic and awsome that I just cant see it happening without some sort of divine intervention. Were talking about ascension here dude. I am far from enlightenment. You can just grace the other side in your phsycodelic experience, but to cross over is something entirely different.


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Re: 2012 [Re: Hubbub]
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Ok, ascension into what? To help me better understand you. Also, you have little faith in the human mind it is more then obvious, but I will play along. Why does the human mind need to evolve when we haven't even begun to unlock it's full potential? So far the best statement I have seen you make is that you are aware that you don't know anything at all, yet you are arguing that you do on the contrary? You say that once we "unlock" this ability it will be

"The next step is just something so fantastic and awsome that I just cant see it happening without some sort of divine intervention. Were talking about ascension here dude. I am far from enlightenment. You can just grace the other side in your phsycodelic experience, but to cross over is something entirely different."

Where are you basing this information on? Is it a personal bias assumption based upon what you "think" it will be? If not, then how do you know?


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"The road to excess leads to the palace of wisdom...for we never know what is enough until we know what is more than enough."
-William Blake-

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Re: 2012 [Re: Hubbub]
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it's not a matter of knowing how to do it. it has nothing to do with our will. It's the timing. It's our time to move up to the next rung on the ladder. I would equate this event to mans discovery of fire or the invention of the wheel.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: 2012 [Re: MushHunter08]
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pretty much just speculation. Thats what you have given me. How could anyone prove anything I was saying? Im just giving you my opinion. Its not fact and it is not the ultimate truth. Just speculation.

The ascension, in my mind, is when you unlock all of your potential or atleast as much potential as you can unlock in your current state of consciousness. Moving you to the next step. It is enlightenment, nirvana, and the heaven on Earth. An entirely new state of being. The ascension into oneness. Adopting a oneness consciousness. Living life as life.

I have read books about ascension before and they descibe it as when you cross over into what is called the 4th dimension. The realization of divine love, the nature of reality and all these seemingly impossible things to realize. Realizing that all is light and apparently becoming physically immortal. It also has alot to do with the crown chakra located one hands length above your head. So I sort of made my own definition of what ascension is that is somewhat similar to this, but not so outlandish.


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Re: 2012 [Re: Hubbub]
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the book actually teaches you how to ascend lol. I recomend it. Its called th ancient secret of the flower of life. Im pretty sure some of what is in that book is not the truth, but overall there is some really good knowledge within it that has put my philosophy into a new sort of perspective.


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Re: 2012 [Re: MushHunter08]
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We have had the ability to shift our consciousness for a long time now. Why have we not?

It is your choice to see the situation this way , and even if it were accurate it would do no possible good for you or others inquiring about the 'event'.

I see many people make the same mistakes.
f.e. what is a long time for you ? On what measurement do you rely.
I would argue that from killing heretics , and burning witches weve made some progress.
From being completely isolated in our homes and relying on the paper and television for information of the outside world , we have now gotten to the point where you can find anything on the internet , be it entertainment or information , which is btw allowed to freely circulate without censorship of the governing authorities.
Society in a larger sense , has made the use of chemicals from just being of a nutritious value .. to an entire drug culture.
Now.. this may seem like a negative aspect.. but it has given way to something new IMO.
Everybody has there own fix , so to speak... and i have noticed an increasing interest in the psychedelic portion of these chemicals.
And... even though i do not find my sympathies to lay with the scientific community.. much has been revealed  , and has yet to be revealed and absolutely , positively shock the entire human population.
We are literally on the brink of destroying organized religion that has imo been one of the main causes of this downward spiral you speak of.

To truly understand what 2012 is about.. one must look at it from the evolutionary standpoint first of all.
Then there is the notion of the actual origins of  all people inhabiting this planet..
And the inevitable topic of the Extra-terrestrial influences that go so far back , you would not dare to say "a long time" ever again.
This cycle is one of 26,000 years. And we think weve been here for only how long ?
Many things have been kept a secret.

also.. if you would care to evaluate the progress of humanity as a whole dating from whatever time we have measured .. you would notice that the speed of this "evolution" has been increasing exponentially..

If we’re looking at the highlights of human development,
              you have to look at the evolution of the organism...
              and then at the development of its interaction with the environment.
              Evolution of the organism will begin with the evolution of life...
              perceived through the hominid...
              coming to the evolution of mankind.
              Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon man.
              Now, interestingly, what you’re looking at here are three strings:
              biological, anthropological--
              development of the cities, cultures--
              and cultural, which is human expression.
              Now, what you’ve seen here is the evolution of populations,
              not so much the evolution of individuals.
              And in addition, if you look at the time scales that's involved here--
              two billion years for life,
              six million years for the hominid,
                      years for mankind as we know it--
              you're beginning to see the telescoping nature of the evolutionary paradigm.
              And then when you get to agricultural,
              when you get to scientific revolution and industrial revolution,
              you're looking at        years,    years,      years.
              You're seeing a further telescoping of this evolutionary time.
              What that means is that as we go through the new evolution,
              it's gonna telescope to the point we should be able to see it manifest itself...
              within our lifetime, within this generation.
              The new evolution stems from information,
              and it stems from two types of information: digital and analog.
              The digital is artificial intelligence.
              The analog results from molecular biology, the cloning of the organism.
              And you knit the two together with neurobiology.
              Before on the old evolutionary paradigm,
              one would die and the other would grow and dominate.
              But under the new paradigm, they would exist...
              as a mutually supportive, noncompetitive grouping.
              Okay, independent from the external.
              And what is interesting here is that evolution now becomes an individually centered process,
              emanating from the needs and the desires of the individual,
              and not an external process, a passive process...
              where the individual is just at the whim of the collective.
              So, you produce a neo-human with a new individuality and a new consciousness.
              But that's only the beginning of the evolutionary cycle...
              because as the next cycle proceeds,
              the input is now this new intelligence.
              As intelligence piles on intelligence,
              as ability piles on ability, the speed changes.
              Until what? Until you reach a crescendo in a way...
              could be imagined as an enormous instantaneous fulfillment of human,
              human and neo-human potential.
              It could be something totally different.
              It could be the amplification of the individual,
              the multiplication of individual existences.
              Parallel existences now with the individual no longer restricted by time and space.
              And the manifestations of this neo-human-type evolution,
              manifestations could be dramatically counter-intuitive.
              That's the interesting part. The old evolution is cold.
              It's sterile. It's efficient, okay?
              And its manifestations are those social adaptations.
              You're talking about parasitism, dominance, morality, okay?
              Uh, war, predation, these would be subject to de-emphasis.
              These would be subject to de-evolution.
              The new evolutionary paradigm will give us the human traits of truth, of loyalty,
              of justice, of freedom.
              These will be the manifestations of the new evolution.
              That is what we would hope to see from this. That would be nice.



I will never stop using quotes from this movie...
Never !
:smile:


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: 2012 [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Jack Albertson said:
it's not a matter of knowing how to do it. it has nothing to do with our will. It's the timing. It's our time to move up to the next rung on the ladder. I would equate this event to mans discovery of fire or the invention of the wheel.


Even though you are admitting the it is already an inherent ability of man, why would you dispute the ability of us to truly achieve it if we "set our minds to it?"


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"The road to excess leads to the palace of wisdom...for we never know what is enough until we know what is more than enough."
-William Blake-

The most simple method of growing mushrooms:
www.mushroomvideos.com

MultiSync's lazy bastard print/syringe guide

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Re: 2012 [Re: MushHunter08]
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hmmm... this is kind of like the matrix. Im digging it.
NEO!!! You are the matrix.


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Re: 2012 [Re: MushHunter08]
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MushHunter08 said:
Jack Albertson said:
it's not a matter of knowing how to do it. it has nothing to do with our will. It's the timing. It's our time to move up to the next rung on the ladder. I would equate this event to mans discovery of fire or the invention of the wheel.


Even though you are admitting the it is already an inherent ability of man, why would you dispute the ability of us to truly achieve it if we "set our minds to it?"

B/c we are not able to do it at will, it's something that happens exponentially over time. It's more of an experience than an ability.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: 2012 [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Is this sort of a divine intervention? Or what one might call a cosmic coincidence?


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Re: 2012 [Re: Hubbub]
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nothing in the cosmos in coincidental, but yes this is divine in a sense that it's beyond comprehension.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: 2012 [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Jack Albertson said:
nothing in the cosmos in coincidental, but yes this is divine in a sense that it's beyond comprehension.


Based on what though. You have to have something to base this theory on beyond "our" own limited consciousness.


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"The road to excess leads to the palace of wisdom...for we never know what is enough until we know what is more than enough."
-William Blake-

The most simple method of growing mushrooms:
www.mushroomvideos.com

MultiSync's lazy bastard print/syringe guide

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Re: 2012 [Re: MushHunter08]
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Its beyond our knowledge. No one knows. The human race hasnt been alive sinse the last time the earth was in the center of the universe and the poles reversed. Its not something written on a cave. Night will become day. Day will become night. Basically north america will be like south america were going to switch spots. Ive heard two things. This happens every 13000 years.. or every 25,000 years.. im pretty sure its 25,000yrs sense humans were alive 13,000 yrs ago.

Its not a realm. or a ladder to climb. Its a ecological shift.

Everything youve heard about this date besides the poles shifting. its a myth. Its not proven true, until this day is before us.


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Re: 2012 [Re: MushHunter08]
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MushHunter08 said:
Jack Albertson said:
nothing in the cosmos in coincidental, but yes this is divine in a sense that it's beyond comprehension.


Based on what though. You have to have something to base this theory on beyond "our" own limited consciousness.

do you understand?


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: 2012 [Re: Jack Albertson]
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A pole shift is different than a magnetic reversal and neither of these two have been proven to be going to happen any time soon. A pole shift is completely theoretical, but the last magnetic reversal happened about 740,000 years ago.

Look it up.


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Re: 2012 [Re: Hubbub]
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Hubbub said:
A pole shift is different than a magnetic reversal and neither of these two have been proven to be going to happen any time soon. A pole shift is completely theoretical, but the last magnetic reversal happened about 740,000 years ago.

Look it up.


I'm not arguing the theory, but I learned in High School earth science that we have evidence of pole shifts in rocks, which way the molecules are facing or something, and its happened several times.

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Re: 2012 [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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I gotta research more :wink:

You don't ?

Edited by giPSY (02/28/09 10:06 AM)

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