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Re: Buddhism [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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me too mostly like that


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Re: Buddhism [Re: jonathanseagull]
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Excellent post JS


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Buddhism [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
"But if there is no other world and there is no fruit and ripening of actions well done or ill done, then here and now in this life I shall be free from hostility, affliction, and anxiety, and I shall live happily. This is the second comfort acquired." -The Buddha

What is this saying?

How does this relate to the Buddhist faith?

How does this relate to the concept of reincarnation and karma?


Icelander, I know you can cite a quotation.


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Re: Buddhism [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
"But if there is no other world and there is no fruit and ripening of actions well done or ill done, then here and now in this life I shall be free from hostility, affliction, and anxiety, and I shall live happily. This is the second comfort acquired." -The Buddha

What is this saying?

How does this relate to the Buddhist faith?

How does this relate to the concept of reincarnation and karma?


But here goes. In Buddhist formulation the crux of all mind training is in generating benevolent positive attitude towards all beings as based in cognizance of ones having some experience of the grounds of meditation as self referencing bliss and freedom - a thing which cannot be given but must be sought, oneself having acquired this feels joy for oneself and sorrow for others at their not having acquired such tools for promoting the mental crux towards positivity which is  what will determine whether ones future conditions are going to be favorable, or before even that whether one can even at this very second live fully free in love and harmoney because at the crux that is what one has identified with and vowed to not forsake.


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Re: Buddhism [Re: Lion]
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So many people understand alot about buddhism, i thought there was nothing to understand! :lol:

Let me learn my way to freedom :banghead:

I remember when i first got into Buddhism i didnt have a fricking clue, i was so confused about the different sects traditions & teachings, then i heard about impermanence being a central teaching in all buddhism & the main teaching of the buddha himself, then i quickly realized that all the other stuff is not important AT ALL, because even that, is impermanent

Buddha:

"All formations are impermanent"

I consider this his most important & profound teaching, noself, self, nirvana & suffering are all included in this teaching


"theres not alot, infact nothing to buddhism"


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Re: Buddhism [Re: Chronic7]
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Impermanence isn't the central idea, though.  If it were Buddhism would just be an existentialist or nihilistic philosophy.  The central idea IMO is compassion and wisdom being the very substance of mind and reality.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Buddhism [Re: jonathanseagull]
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This I can handle. :thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Buddhism [Re: Lion]
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I agree they are very essential attributes of truth, but i find i can only discover compassion & wisdom through impermanence or the seeing of anatta/noself

In my experience i only feel compassion when i see impermanence & people chasing impermanent things

Imo compassion & wisdom are both revealed in the truth of impermanence, one who cultivates compassion will lose it as its something gained anew, one who sees impermanence loses everything & as a result compasison & wisdom are uncovered


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Re: Buddhism [Re: Chronic7]
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one who sees impermanence loses everything & as a result compasison & wisdom are uncovered

:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Buddhism [Re: Icelander]
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I should've said 'loses attachment to everything' to be more precise, cause really nothing is actually lost as in the sense you feel you've lost something, more like you feel in losing attachment everything you gain everything, somehow


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Re: Buddhism [Re: Chronic7]
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I understood what you meant. This is how we must ultimately deal with death anxiety. Everything else is a cover up IMO.

Is it important to lose emotional death anxiety? I would say yes if you really want to enjoy life to the fullest. Is it possible? I'm not sure but it can be diminished.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Buddhism [Re: Chronic7]
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I've never gotten very deep into Buddhism but "All formations are impermanent" truly is one of the most revolutionary ideas a human can ever attempt to comprehend and live out. So simple, so profound.


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Re: Buddhism [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
"But if there is no other world and there is no fruit and ripening of actions well done or ill done, then here and now in this life I shall be free from hostility, affliction, and anxiety, and I shall live happily. This is the second comfort acquired." -The Buddha


What is this saying?
It is better to live all of your days causing no intentional harm and die with regret on your last day, then to live all your days causing harm to yourself and others and still die with regret.

How does this relate to the Buddhist faith?
Not sure I understand the question from your perspective. Its attributed to the Buddha for one, secondly, its true. If you follow the Eightfold Path you will be happier simply by following a path of goodwill and no harm.

How does this relate to the concept of reincarnation and karma?
It doesn't. Its a supposition if rebirth were false. Karma = action-seed.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Buddhism [Re: myriadeyes]
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Considering the human himself is impermanent & thus devoid of permanent individuality, who lives it out?

Dont get deep into buddhism is my advice, stay simple, the Buddha wasn't 'into' buddhism, he rejected being into anything & found nirvana in himself, be a Buddha yourself :wink:


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Re: Buddhism [Re: Chronic7]
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:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Buddhism [Re: Chronic7]
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You know what I mean - live your life making each conscious decision according to the realization that you and your actions are impermanent.

By "getting into Buddhism", I was simply referring to studying the teachings the ideology presents :shrug:


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Re: Buddhism [Re: myriadeyes]
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I wasnt trying to correct you, just pointing out common pitfalls...

We feel there is a 'me' who lives life, which gives the sense that we are separate from everything else,  but we dont investigate this me, thats my whole point really, so many want to investigate buddhism etc...but few will honestly look at themselves!

Many people will profess proudly i am a buddhist, im a taoist, im a hindu/advaita vedantan, but few are comfortable to be absolutley nothing :wink:

The buddha is nothing, the tao is nothing, our 'me' constantly wants to be something, our minds are caught in the wheel of imagined progress, but any step we take is a step away from truth not towards it


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Re: Buddhism [Re: Lion]
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Lion said:
Impermanence isn't the central idea, though.  If it were Buddhism would just be an existentialist or nihilistic philosophy.  The central idea IMO is compassion and wisdom being the very substance of mind and reality.


Impermanence being that which is not, and permanence being that which is. As the saying goes, Ananda was asked what Buddha taughts and he said, Om ye dharma haytu prahbhawa ,etc, meaning Buddha taught that which is and that which is not. Thus he did not just teach impermanence. Such thinking negates taking Buddhism as a valid vehicle which it can well be. Because besides impermanence there is also that which is permanent, the nirvana which is as per yogic thought, state of least exitation of the mind. Then people say, no mind no person but not so since chakras of tangible ineffable energy are the person, just not as some thing.

MGD, so later than.....


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Re: Buddhism [Re: eve69]
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nirodha
is
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Re: Buddhism [Re: eve69]
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eve69 said:
Because besides impermanence there is also that which is permanent,


How do you recognize what is permanent?
By realizing all things are impermanent

Nothing is permanent, Nirvana is nothing, exinction

The mind calls this nihilistic, one who realizes it knows it to be qualityless


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