It just sounds that you're attached by the idea of non-attachment.
The truth is that we don't know if we are more than the physical selves, or if it is just some sort of wishful thinking to assure us that we will keep existing after death.

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Deeply contemplating this i suddenly came to a point where i realized that when we die everything has to be let go of, EVERYTHING.

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No, death happens anyways. Even if we let go or not. I have never heard of a case where death decided to leave a person live because they were unable to let go.

I agree with you that a happier life is one without attachments, but I wouldn't say that we only reached our true selves when we did that. We're our true selves all the time, even when our choice is to feel shitty and inflict suffering upon ourselves. Just be careful not to go the other extreme which is nothing more than a form of escapism.

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Leave behind all these objects, find out who you really are beyond material existence, go deeper into your mind then is casually done, dont be a sheep & follow the crowds beliefs or find out the truth from a book, find out for yourself what this is all about, it all depends on you, only you can bring yourself to the end of this journey we call life...like i said the letting go of attachments happens naturally by itself so you may not be at a stage where you can let go of attachments, but if you feel these words speaking to you & above all you really want peace & freedom in your life then really assimilate what im trying to convey here...

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MushroomTrip said:

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Leave behind all these objects, find out who you really are beyond material existence, go deeper into your mind then is casually done, dont be a sheep & follow the crowds beliefs or find out the truth from a book, find out for yourself what this is all about, it all depends on you, only you can bring yourself to the end of this journey we call life...like i said the letting go of attachments happens naturally by itself so you may not be at a stage where you can let go of attachments, but if you feel these words speaking to you & above all you really want peace & freedom in your life then really assimilate what im trying to convey here...

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This is even more proof of non-acceptance coming from your side.
We are what we are and each of us have our own rhythm. This is where you are in your life right now. Other people are somewhere else.
Can you honestly give this advice as being the only valid one to everybody?

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Uuum....thats why i said "like i said the letting go of attachments happens naturally by itself so you may not be at a stage where you can let go of attachments...."

I agree with what you say but you seem to come to conclusions quite prematurely "this is proof of..." when this realization really deeply helped me & by me passing it on only trying to help another being, (even if only one who reads this) is not proof of my non-acceptance

redgreenvines said:

where are the attachments?
how does letting go of attachments occur?

(in that order please)

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Thankyou

I would say the most direct route to detachment is find out who is attached, but yesterday i have to say attachment was there & i felt the pain that comes along with the attachment, which is a kind of lesson in itself, to feel the suffering that comes with identity.

Dont get me wrong RG i totally agree with you, i was just making a post about what i went through yesterday because i felt to, it wasn't plagiarism outof a book which just really struck me as i wouldnt do such an ignorant thing, the only truth is in the experience itself not the words.

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I agree with what you say but you seem to come to conclusions quite prematurely "this is proof of..." when this realization really deeply helped me & by me passing it on only trying to help another being, (even if only one who reads this) is not proof of my non-acceptance

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I am trying to point out that your post can easily be a poof of strong attachment to the idea of non attachment.
If it isn't so, then why should it bother you anyways? Just accept it and take it as another point of view.

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Perhaps regurgitating is necessary in order to apply what we've read & partially understood to our current, direct experience.  Like a cow chewing her cud, we may derive greater nourishment from these ideas through rumination.

This is not to say that insight is not also occurring while we chew, but rather to describe a collaborative process of turning information into wisdom.

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I agree in the sense that mind is cyclical in nature (as is everything casually observable in the universe), so in order for new information & ideas to be fully embibed in the being they may have to be repeated/regurgitated, but i also agree with regreen when he says that it has to be insight not regurgitation because insight is like breaking the cycles open wider, its like an explosion with direct experience.

Regurgitation (imo) implies stagnant repetition, which is why i took such offense to redgreens statement, because what i felt was insight not something id rehearsed from a book until it became true.

This makes me think of the indians with theyre mantras, its like they repeat something until it becomes an actuality for them, for what they are actually trying to acheive i dont think its a good way to achieve it, because its almost tricking the mind into experiencing divinity instead of directly realizing the oneness with that divinity itself.
Although i dont know much about mantras so should keep quiet really....

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or some reason its utterly blissfull!

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Probably because it provides a break in an endless stream of neurotic reactions to reality. 

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or some reason its utterly blissfull!

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Probably because it provides a break in an endless stream of neurotic reactions to reality. 

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Not to put words in your mouth but your saying the exact same thing as the hindus & buddhists, but instead of saying 'stream of neurotic reactions', they say 'stream of thoughts' or 'mind'

Theres definatly an aspect of 'break' about it because when i meditate before going to bed i go into sleep with awareness & just before deep sleep comes that same bliss is felt, and taking a break & deep sleep are pretty similar, total mental & physical rest.

To take it further i would say that bliss is our true nature & that the play of identity with mind is thinking that it finds this bliss in objects, taking these objects to be sources of its bliss, when infact it IS bliss. Im using the word bliss but its interchangeable with love compassion joy ecstacy, whatever floats your boat...

Do you see what im trying to say here, that we are what we seek, that all beings seek bliss/fulfillment but they are looking for it in the wrong place, they think that through some striving & thinking & creating relationship with objects they will find this ever lasting bliss...but its all done in vain because no transient object can bring you lasting bliss, only temporary...

Please tell me you at least see the theory in this?

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Yes, I understand it quite well, and have posted the same ideas sans religious overtones. 

The mind can be our greatest ally or our worst enemy, but it will be with us so long as we are alive & not in a vegetative state.  The neurotic thinking to which I refer is how the mind may be our enemy.  Learning to think differently, whether it is through meditative practice or Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy techniques, can transform our mind into an ally.

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