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OfflineAmnesiac
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Love without attachment
    #1555702 - 05/17/03 04:44 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Love is a great thing to give and to feel, but in typical relationships, attachments usually form, and attachments mean limitations, as well as feelings of possession and/or belonging to the ones we love.

Is it better to love as much as possible while remaining detached from the ones we love? Or does love and attachment go hand-in-hand?


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OfflineAdamist
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Re: Love without attachment [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1555713 - 05/17/03 05:22 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

If we really loved unattached everyone would make love to everyone, all the time.

The only way this would work is some heavy programming and imprinting from a young age inside an enclosed community like in Brave New World.

Sounds alot better than monogamy to me... that shit sucks. Hmm, orgiastic gratification at leisure... or commitments, attachments, jealousy, and psychotic ex-girlfriends? YOU DECIDE :wink: 


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Re: Love without attachment [Re: Adamist] * 1
    #1555767 - 05/17/03 07:53 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

if a person were *completely* satisfied within (i.e. fullfilled/at peace/no desire/no needs/nirvana), then, IMO it would be possible to love without attachment. Attachment arrises when one feels incomplete without the love, i.e. unfulfilled - this gives rise to the desire to possess the object of love... because u fear losing the source of your fullfilment. This is a difficult concept to understand since it is almost impossible to even imagine the state of being relatively satisfied... let alone *completely* satisfied and fullfilled and at peace. Also, if there is no fear of loss of the object of love, the u probably won't be attached to it - as an example u may "love" the earth and the universe (i.e. deeply care about it and cherish it), but u arn't "attached" in the usual sense of the term (i.e. u don't consider "losing" the earth - since u're an integeral part of it, if the earth goes u probably go with it etc). One of the problems is that we've almost defined love in terms of attachment... if a person isn't attached to something and can let it go completely, the consensus is that they don't love it (which may not be true). Regardless, it's impossible to "know" love without attachment until the day u truely experience it yourself. All else is intellectual masterbation ;-) (pls excuse the explicit analogy)


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Re: Love without attachment [Re: lucid]
    #1555780 - 05/17/03 08:19 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

btw, despite the condescending remark regarding thinking... I do it obsessively all the time :-D I am Jack's compulsive thought disorder :-D


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Re: Love without attachment [Re: lucid]
    #1555858 - 05/17/03 10:02 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Regardless, it's impossible to "know" love without attachment until the day u truely experience it yourself. All else is intellectual masterbation ;-) (pls excuse the explicit analogy)


    That wasn't intellectual masterbation at all my friend. You put that beautifully, one either knows(Love=Conciousness=Wisdom) through direct experience("knowledge through identity") or one does not know at all..... Love while attached to objects remains sentimental at best and is like tasting one drop of the eternal ocean....now THAT lol, is mental masterbation :grin: 


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Re: Love without attachment [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1556153 - 05/17/03 02:23 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I think you would have to define each term before any true meaning could be given to any statement/question. If attachment means bonding as in connected to another then no there cannot be love without it. But that doesn't mean that co-dependency is a good thing.


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