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OfflineSuppaFly
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The Psilocybin Producer's Guide tek questions
    #888481 - 09/17/02 02:14 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

has anyone followed this tek? (found on the shroomery at http://www.shroomery.com/findorgrowthem.php?View=docs&doc=49)
some of the tek is vauge, if starting from spores should you use MEA or PDYA? if anyone has any nuggets of wisdom they would wish to pass on to me in regards to this tek, any tips or tricks that you've picked up i'd greatly apreciate it. . . thanks in advance

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Re: The Psilocybin Producer's Guide tek questions [Re: SuppaFly]
    #888533 - 09/17/02 02:27 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Go with a real Tek guide... Like PF Tek orsomething... This guide is for people who will probably end up in jail for being greedy...
Go slow and learn likethe rest of us.... newbie


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Re: The Psilocybin Producer's Guide tek questions [Re: QuitDrinking]
    #888553 - 09/17/02 02:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

hey, i'm not trying to produce 5000 a week or anything, and i'm not being greedy, i'm mearly looking at this tek because of space contraints. you were all newbies once. all i was asking for was some pointers or tips, i'm sorry. i've done PF tek, and i was looking for something different. you didn't have to be mean about it, i'll leave your forum alone now, and i'm sure you'll all be the better for it.


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Re: The Psilocybin Producer's Guide tek questions [Re: SuppaFly]
    #888636 - 09/17/02 02:56 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

It?s not "his" forum.

>if starting from spores should you use MEA or PDYA?

It doesn?t matter, both would work.


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Re: The Psilocybin Producer's Guide tek questions [Re: SuppaFly]
    #889098 - 09/17/02 06:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

if space is your concern you could mabey try a bulk tek, they still take up about as much psace as a terarium but you don't have to grow all the time to keep yourself in fungi like many do when using cakes. one good grow ala the bulk neglect could give you enough to last a month or more (at lwas it would last me a month, if your not sharing or are more conservative it could last quite a bit longer).


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Re: The Psilocybin Producer's Guide tek questions [Re: SuppaFly]
    #889754 - 09/17/02 11:37 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

i loved the idea of this tek and tried to do it several times with out much success. whenever i posted about it most experienced growers said not to bother with it. it would be worth doing in bulk. i was thinking about having a beer keg with malt water in it which was fractionally sterilized. you would really need sterile air pumping in too. there is a good post about it by a guy called 00zen try and search for him by name, he only made a few (good) posts. i did grow some in a gallon jar and the yeild was pathetic, i didnt even eat it since i feared contams and i had plenty of real shrooms anyway. if space or effort is a concern the grow mexicana sclerotia, it is much less bother and higher yielding per space


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Re: The Psilocybin Producer's Guide tek questions [Re: SuppaFly]
    #890234 - 09/18/02 05:47 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry if i snapped.  I was in a bad mood and was thinking you were posting without reading first. The link you posted didn't work when I clicked , but isn't that like a get rich quick guide , minus most of the info?
If not my bad, see there are other reasons to hate me. Minus Karma to me...  :blush:


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Re: The Psilocybin Producer's Guide tek questions [Re: QuitDrinking]
    #892741 - 09/19/02 08:12 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:

Go with a real Tek guide... Like PF Tek orsomething...




and whos the newbie?


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Re: The Psilocybin Producer's Guide tek questions [Re: SuppaFly]
    #898377 - 09/21/02 10:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

i read this guide. long time ago. tried it.

there are some serious holes in it if you are thinking about obtaining actual active indoles for consumption.

1. and most importantly is the need for chemicals and a lab capable of doing the extraction. came unbelievably close to burning my house down. still have some scorch marks i havn't painted over to serve as a reminder. the extraction process is so overtaken with complexity that it hardly seems economicly worthwhile even if you were to achieve the 5000 dose goal that in reality is just whoreshit.

2. the viability of licuid mycelium is nowhere close to that proposed in the tek. there is simply a limit to the degree to which mycelium can be expanded, especially in licuid form. resources needed to produce 5000 doses would be better utilized in growing actual carpophores recognizable to the mushroom Goddess.

3. it is very difficult to tell a jar of mold mycelium from a jar of mushroom mycelium. one must virtually grow some of it out to see. a modest five percent contam rate would significantly increase the costs, and mold mycelium will expand in licuid form, maintaining its viability much longer than mushroom.

4. lastly and probably this should be the most obvious, is that in licuid form, the mycelium doesn't produce much active indole to begin with. the indoles are produced in the stage of the life cycle in which the mushroom mycelium cells become multinucleic, (more than one nucleus per cell) in preparation for the near explosive growth that occurs at fruiting. the extra nuclei and food are passed from one cell to another untill it reaches the fruitbodies, through little mouthlike structures on each end of the cells. under microscopic examination, few if any cells form with more than one nucleus in licuid form until the licuid mycelium has nearly lost its viability. in short, there is a rather small window in which any significant amount of recoverable indoles would be available, and operating a production that aims for this window will automaticly steer your production away from being able to expand the mycelium to more jars.

in short, cultivating fungi with the goal of obtaining active indoles is better suited to teks that don't require a microscope.

sorry if i come accross as peeing on your campfire, there is room for research in this area, but the likes of Hoffman concluded that active indoles are cheaper and easier to make syntheticly than they are to extract from fungi many years ago.


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Re: The Psilocybin Producer's Guide tek questions [Re: tchyted]
    #898895 - 09/22/02 10:08 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

wow, this guy knows his shit.


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