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Offlineretardricky
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Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid
    #573059 - 03/07/02 11:14 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Ok so I was reading this book called psilocybin production I can't recal the author. But this book says that you grow out mycleum on a nutritious liquid and make basically like a big liquid agar plate deal. You strain the mycleum out of the liquid with cheese cloth put it in a pyrex baking dish and cook it at 200 degrees to dry it out then you extract the psilocybin with some I don't remember what it was some flamable shit. But the thing is doesn't psilocybin die from heat. Wouldn't heating it up kill all the psilocybin?. Somebody in here is a smart mother fucker help me understand.


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: retardricky]
    #573074 - 03/07/02 11:36 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

think about it. People make mushroom tea all the time and rave about how 'potent' it seems. to make mushroom tea one must put you mushrooms in a pot with some water and boil (212 F) for *** long. smiles.


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: retardricky]
    #573081 - 03/07/02 11:43 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Guywhowrotethepsilocybin producer's guide: "Hmm, this might work real good, I think I'll write a book about it..... Maybe I should actually try it out in reality?.....naaah"


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #573097 - 03/08/02 12:05 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

What does that mean you wrote that book. If so does it really work. Oh yeah and you made some money too if you did cuz my friend bought the bitch.


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: retardricky]
    #573100 - 03/08/02 12:08 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

you friend got ripped off!


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: retardricky]
    #573176 - 03/08/02 02:03 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: 40oz]
    #573437 - 03/06/02 09:35 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Have you tied it? Besides psilocybin does not being to produce until primordia form.


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: 40oz]
    #573961 - 03/09/02 01:54 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Adam Gottlieb's guide is flawed due to lack of nutrients.

Check post: Enhanced Psilocybin Production

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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: CuckoosNest]
    #574164 - 03/09/02 11:00 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

>>>Besides psilocybin does not being to produce until primordia form.
psilocin and psylocybin are procuced by mycellium as well as fruitbodies. thats why mycellium syringes are illegal and not sold anymore. from what i hear optimum psi. content in mycellium is after 1 month of incubation where the ideal 5% nutriuent solution is just about used up. just passed on knowledge; no proof here for optimal conditions but its a proven fact that mycellium produces psilocin.


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #574256 - 03/09/02 01:47 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #574521 - 03/09/02 07:47 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Mycelium cultivated on a nutrient deficient medium does not exhibit a noticeable psilocybin content. Adaptation and/or synthesis of necessary precursors nevertheless permits fruit bodies to produce a noticeable alkaloid content on such mediums.

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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: retardricky]
    #574524 - 03/09/02 07:54 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Psilocybin becomes unstable at about 86C.

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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: 00Zen]
    #574538 - 03/09/02 08:17 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

So the consensus is that this is bullshit?

I heard that you could extract psylosybin/psylocin from mycilium and spawn.... true?

but this wouldnt work hu?


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: Splat]
    #574540 - 03/09/02 08:25 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Mycelium cultivated in a solution or on a medium that meets the nutrient requirements for production of Psilocybin exhibits an alkaloid content relative to that of the fruit bodies (Ps. C. 0.5 - 1.1% dry weight).

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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: 00Zen]
    #574664 - 03/09/02 11:36 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Will acetone pull out the goodies? That way very little heat is needed to evaporate it off. Then you could put alcohol as a carrier in a eye dropper...Anyone perfected this yet. I have figured out that my 1 oz amber dropper bottles will need 54 grams to equal a gram dose/full dropper....


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid???? [Re: 00Zen]
    #575219 - 03/10/02 06:09 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)


So in other words this is worth trying... if one had a milliscale one could cap 10 mg psyclo caplets from spawn?? this would be really easy to store and easy to ingest no? Has anyone used this method what are the pros and cons?


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid???? [Re: Splat]
    #575744 - 03/11/02 10:33 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

what about using ethyl alchohol to extract? i know it evaporates quickly.


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid???? [Re: XAZIA]
    #575931 - 03/11/02 02:20 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

PF has a good alcohol extraction method on their site:

http://www.fanaticus.com/liqueu~1.htm

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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: 00Zen]
    #586916 - 03/23/02 01:25 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

"Psilocybin becomes unstable at about 86C."

can you give me a reference to this? over at the entheogen vault i think it is, they say that pslocybin is stable to something like 254 deg f and psilocin i think is about the same... anyway i have been wanting this verified by a real source for a while now...



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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: rebelmoon]
    #586933 - 03/23/02 01:51 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Very, very interesting stuff. Mushrooms in a vile!!!! Put a drop on a piece of pizza and you're set!! Does anybody have any idea how powerful this would be compared to liquid LSD? A good side project for someone who grows with cakes would be to try and extract from used cakes to practice. Definitely something I could experiment with, as a pod owner...

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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: BlueJay]
    #586992 - 03/23/02 03:42 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

>Will acetone pull out the goodies?

No. Pure methanol is the solvent of choice here.

Read http://leda.lycaeum.org/Documents/Extraction_and_analysis_of_indole_derivatives_from_fungal_biomass.10410.shtml .


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: Anno]
    #586997 - 03/23/02 03:52 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Couldnt you just make tea and drink that instead? Does this still work? How much of it should I drink?


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: AssHumper10K]
    #587065 - 03/23/02 05:39 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Off course it works. One has to grind the shrooms to powder and then make a tea, but don?t let(at least I don?t) the powder settle for more then 2 minutes, then strain and drink.

This tea seems to work stronger than just ground shrooms, at least for me.

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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid???? [Re: Splat]
    #587906 - 03/24/02 07:48 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, Here is something sorta similar to the pill idea- that i have done, and it does work!

- Take yer shrooms and crush them up
- Boil for about 10 mins. (don't use much water, we're NOT making tea)
- Filter with a coffee filter (I only use a metal one because you can sqeeze out extra shroom juice by pressing on the side of the filter with a rubber spatula or whatever
- Put the filtered juice back on the burner in a clean pot
- Boil the fuck outta that shit, or until there is hardly any water left in the pot
- Turn down the heat (at this point there should only be a tarish black/dark purple sludge on the bottom of the pot)
- Once the sludge is pretty thick, scrape out the tar with a flat metal object (keep the burner low but not too low or you risk the sludge becoming too hard to scrape up... If this happens just turn up the heat a bit more)
- As long as you didn't boil for way too long, you are ready to put the tar into some gel capsules... Probably have to mail order these, or just empty out some vitamin capsules

The best parts about this meathod of injesting are that:
A.) People that are hesitant to eat shrooms because of the taste will swallow pills (usually)
B.) Much easier to conceal, if need be
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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: retardricky]
    #588158 - 03/24/02 01:32 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

just eat them!
why waste any?


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid???? [Re: KerPluNk]
    #588863 - 03/25/02 08:58 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

> Probably have to mail order these, or just empty out some vitamin capsules

200 "00" capsules cost about $9 here. Local health shops carry them, and some GNC stores.

How long do these capsules retain their potency? I'd be worried about having a moist organic sludge sitting around for any amount of time.

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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid???? [Re: theseeker]
    #591105 - 03/27/02 03:13 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Don't boil shrooms they will loose about 70-80% of their potency depending on how hot the water is. To make tea you take warm water (warm enough to touch.) If water is hot enough to cause you pain then it will destroy a lot of the mushroom's potency. Steeping shrooms in warm water will get you an ok tea...depending on tolerance most people will get a mild body buzz off this with a small amount of visuals. The best way to get off on shrooms is to eat them. You can make Everclear (The Liquer) extracts from dried shrooms but then you've got to let the alcohol evaporate and that takes forever. (It helps if you use a heating pad on the lowest setting) Also, Psilocybin/Psilocin extracts done with Ethanol(Like Everclear) make me sick to my stomach. I don't know why but if I drink any kind of alcohol before consuming shrooms I get deathly nausieous. Ethanol extraction works but it's not as good of a solvent as Methanol. You'll have to wash your shroom material several times in the Ethanol to get all the psilocybin out of the fungal biomass. Methanol, however, is extremely Poisonous!!!!
For those of you interested in trying the Ethanol method I would sugest getting a bottle of 190Proof Everclear and putting it in the freezer to solidify the H2O in the alcohol. Then do your extracts. For one person you will need to use at least 4-6 shrooms (That is if you're using typical P. Cubensis shrooms.) Always test out your raw shrooms to see how potent they are before you go making extracts. See how many it takes for you to get off on and then adjust your extract recipe to include that many shrooms times the amount of people you want to get high. (i.e. 4 people=16 shrooms) See you've got to keep in mind how many doses you want to make before you do the extract. If you've used enough shrooms to get 4 people high then you can just divide your liquid extract by four to get the dosage per person. (i.e. 8ml of final extract will equal 4 2ml doses.) I hope this makes sense to you guys. I've tried this out before and it worked pretty well. Just be carefull, some people have a lower tolerance to shrooms, especially people with low body weight. Skinny people tend to get off harder on shrooms than hefty people...most of the time. Anyway, I hope that helps. I wouldn't recomend using Methanol unless you have lab experience. Methanol is very poisonous and it would have to be 100% evaporated before a shroom extract could be ingested. I repeat, Methanol will kill you if you drink it!!!!
You can extract Psilocybin from mycelium assuming that you've grown it on a decent substrate like finch seed or millet. Some strains seem to have more potent mycelium than others. I ate a big chunk of an Orissa cake the other day for shits and giggles and was fucked up for a good hour and a half (I just ate a small bite but damned!) You can usually tell if Mycelium is good because if you chew it a bit it will turn blue. The same way a shroom will turn blue when bruised so will most cakes of mycelium. Keep in mind that some varieties of Cubies form Sclerotia which is suppose to be rather potent.
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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid???? [Re: Catzeye]
    #593437 - 03/30/02 04:20 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I would think that a mixed extraction would be the best way to go in most cases (as most cultivated shrooms are Cubensis). Psylocybin is very soluble in water as it is the phosphorylated version of psylocin (which is noticeably less water soluble, but decently so none the less).
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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: retardricky]
    #600175 - 04/05/02 11:13 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

from the fbi study done on pf (check it out on his website, very amusing and a little scary but also interetsing and useful and exposes this supposed technique as total bullshit)

"The psychoactive drugs psilocyn and psilocybin were not detected in the mycelium, the earliest stage of development of the mushroom. These drugs were identified in the mycelium knots, the earliest stages of the fruiting body of the mushroom."

hey! why dont spore dealers make liquid mycelium syringes!! if they did i bet itd pass in at least some states if you could verify (at least to the cops) that there was no psilocybi/cin in them?? that would be so great...


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: rebelmoon]
    #600252 - 04/06/02 12:32 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

but if you would have read and done more research you would have realized mycellium does produce psilo. it just takes a few weeks to a month before there is any noticable amount

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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: LSD_4me]
    #600852 - 04/06/02 08:47 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I have been planning to grow the mycellium using the organic honey water teck that I read about. The honey works against contamination. Of course I am only going to do a couple of jars to try it out. I'm just going to dry the mycellium slowly and eat it. If you used ordinary everclear alcohol and just evaporated the alcohol part and left the water part you would have the liquid psilocybin. The idea makes sense to me so I think it will work. It is supposed to work really well with the cold shrooms like azurescens and cyanescens that are difficult to fruit. Hopefully they will have mycellium 7 times stronger than cubensis as well. I just ordered the cyanescens and Tapalpa and will try them both. Now what flavour of honey should I buy?


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Re: Liquid psilocybin like drops of acid [Re: LSD_4me]
    #601870 - 04/08/02 02:26 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

"but if you would have read..."

i cant read or didnt? shut up why dont *you* pay more attention you condescending fucker.

"...and done more research you would have realized mycellium does produce psilo."

no shit. pf says this in his comments and i did in fact read it (call that "research" if you want) but if you read my post i was talking about legality not the factual existence of the chemicals. if the legal instruments cant detect it then legally there is no proof it is there. so in the legal sense it isnt there and so it is legal (maybe).



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