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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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heheh

Im not gonna lie I love the tension around here lately

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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I have gotten serious results in applying similar type metaphysical models to my life...not the chakra model, but I have gotten unbelievable results from similar type systems....tangible documentable results. Now many would ascribe it to old fashioned elbow grease, but that is their choice to see it that way. I can't prove any system, but I can show results.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I can't prove any system, but I can show results.


Great!

Now, show us the results!

(Drum roll...)


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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Does losing an huge alcohol addiction of 15 years (5 case a week), losing 150 lbs, changing careers in mid adulthood that required an education and a restart to the beginning financially, attaining the physical condition of an athlete, and losing a severe anger management problem count? There have also been myriad changes to my waking consciousness that cause me to little resemble the person I was just a few years ago. You would probably say that this was just normal personal growth...


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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Chakra really does exist! Chakra Khan!



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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Does losing an huge alcohol addiction of 15 years (5 case a week), losing 150 lbs, changing careers in mid adulthood that required an education and a restart to the beginning financially, attaining the physical condition of an athlete, and losing a severe anger management problem count? There have also been myriad changes to my waking consciousness that cause me to little resemble the person I was just a few years ago. You would probably say that this was just normal personal growth...


And Super Bowl winners thank Jesus... then they go to Disneyland!

It seems it is hard for people to take credit for their own accomplishments.


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Chakra really does exist! Chakra Khan!




one of my chakras has hardened.

:nonono:

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: deranger]
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I wonder... with all these imaginary things... like enlightenment, meditation, chakras, the third eye and astral projection; does Buddhism perhaps encourage people to use and develop their own imagination?

Do students of this Buddhist school/philosophy commonly get hung up... by taking these folk tales and lessons too litterally?


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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can you please explain why the practice of meditation is imaginary?

unless everything is imagined.  do you consider perception to be imagination?

does Buddhism perhaps encourage people to use and develop their own imagination?

guess it depends on how people interpret the Buddha's teachings. 

Do students of this Buddhist school/philosophy commonly get hung up... by taking these folk tales and lessons too litterally?

all the time, you didn't know that?? :evil:

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: deranger]
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SyntheticMInd said:
can you please explain why the practice of meditation is imaginary?


Practice is not imaginary... but meditation itself is an exercise in imagination.


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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... but meditation is a practice ...

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Chakra really does exist! Chakra Khan!




Lies!  That is Beverly Johnson.

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: deranger]
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SyntheticMInd said:
... but meditation is a practice ...


Yes, you practice using your mind to focus your thoughts on one imaginary thing... or you practice by imagining you are not thinking at all. Do you really think your brain shuts off when you quiet your mind? Then how do you breathe or beat your own heart while meditating?

Both examples (meditating on a thought, or meditating on nothing) are exercises of the imagination. So again, you practice meditation by using your imagination.


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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It is not about taking credit. I did it, but I used methods that were based in nontraditional/spiritual philosophies. If these methods worked then they are useful...point blank. Of course you would say that it had no effect....it is subjective. Did I not tell you your reaction. You just wanted something to ridicule, that was your only goal. Learning is not your objective here.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
It is not about taking credit. I did it, but I used methods that were based in nontraditional/spiritual philosophies. If these methods worked then they are useful...point blank. Of course you would say that it had no effect....it is subjective. Did I not tell you your reaction. You just wanted something to ridicule, that was your only goal. Learning is not your objective here.


Man the Veterans hurling personalisms are thick in here this week! I almost need a fly-swatter to clear my own path.

I did not want something to ridicule... and yet you've given me so many things to choose from.

I think the work you did for your spiritual side, likely focused your efforts to become a better, healthier person. I didn't think I riddiculed you or your experience. I just showed you that many Christians feel the same way about Jesus as you seem to feel about your Buddhist ways.

The work you did on yourself, however... has done little to help you obey one of the simplest rules in this forum.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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Yes, you practice using your mind to focus your thoughts on one imaginary thing... or you practice by imagining you are not thinking at all.

that's quite the assumption,
nor is it an accurate description
you should have substituted "I" and "me" for "you"

Do you really think your brain shuts off when you quiet your mind?

no???

Both examples (meditating on a thought, or meditating on nothing) are exercises of the imagination.

again... do you think perception is imagination?  because proper meditation exercises perception/self-awareness.

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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You are seeing personalisms where none exist. You were ridiculing. Fact. I just observed it lol. In any case if I have violated rules I guess you can get me banned, but we both know I was observing your ego.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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Quote:
think the work you did for your spiritual side, likely focused your efforts to become a better, healthier person.


Now to respond to the interesting aspect of your post. I don't care about being a better person. Being a better person is an illusion. I care about what works...nothing else. Being a "good" person is not a worthwhile goal.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: deranger]
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SyntheticMInd said:
again... do you think perception is imagination?  because proper meditation exercises perception/self-awareness.


Very good point about perception.

I think self-awareness is imaginary... in the sense that I can't honestly tell you where the self ends and the imagination begins.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
You are seeing personalisms where none exist. You were ridiculing. Fact. I just observed it lol. In any case if I have violated rules I guess you can get me banned, but we both know I was observing your ego.


Pics! Pics!

I wanna see what my ego looks like!

Huehuecoyotl said:
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think the work you did for your spiritual side, likely focused your efforts to become a better, healthier person.


Now to respond to the interesting aspect of your post. I don't care about being a better person. Being a better person is an illusion. I care about what works...nothing else. Being a "good" person is not a worthwhile goal.


Now you're picking MY nits.


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Fiddlesticks.


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