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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Diploid]
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Ok I just wanted to get that out there. I can move on - just joking like you fellas

yahooo

Edited by daytripper23 (07/20/08 03:15 PM)

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Diploid]
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I suggest Fiji. It's beautiful and cheap.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Icelander]
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three day ban?

try ibogaine.

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: deranger]
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So we've refined it to two separate questions:

1. Do chakras exist?

2. Are they useful?

The answer to the second question can be "yes" even if the answer to the first is "no".

I'm sure they can be useful for meditation for some people. But for healing (aka reiki)? Hell no, and anyone who claims they can heal people through their chakras is a dangerous fraud.


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I know... that just the smallest
                                                part of the world belongs to me
You know... I'm not a blind man
                                                    but truth is the hardest thing to see

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Diploid]
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If you weren't so recalcitrant [ ], you would see that I was showing you how to reflect on YOUR OWN experiences of what chakra psychology means. But you still...don't...get...it. Unbelievable.
You apparently have absolutely no ability for self-reflection! That is just not possible. Do you not understand my post? I am not trying to prove anything to you, I am describing common human experiences and correlating them with various cultures. I understand that you are an 'Sensate' typology and show little 'Intuition,' and hence cannot grasp what is implied by metaphysics, but I am not trying to convince you of metaphysics. I am simply describing common human experiences.

BTW, I grew up in the 60s watching ''The Amazing Randi' on NY TV for years. I love the guy, but he is another non-intuitive, non-comprehending typology who is one-sidedly 'sensate' in his personality. It is tragic to watch someone in advanced adulthood not even approach individuated wholeness.

Only a one-sided materialist could even think along the lines af asking subjective phenomena be demonstrated objectively to others - for prize money no less! How typically materialistic. Might as well ask for a feeling or a thought in a flask. Absurd.

Lastly, I have no interest in 'shutting you up.' I'm not trying to have the last word, neither am I in competition with you. You make opinionated statements that indicate non-comprehension and I'm attempting to teach something. Apparently, you  do not want to be taught something that might create a crack in your one-sided attitude. Chakra psychology is very old and it is quite useful clinically and for one's own development. My doctorate was completed by a dissertation which explicated Tibetan Buddhist chakra psychology in much the same way that I described it to you. I convinced a doctoral committee at a major university of its value and the dissertation was published. Not wanting to learn something useful, and responding with belligerence when confronted with correction, is a problem that you need to work on, not about something I need to prove to you.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

Edited by MarkostheGnostic (07/20/08 05:31 PM)

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
If you weren't so dense, you would see that I was showing you how to reflect on YOUR OWN experiences of what chakra psychology means. But you still...don't...get...it. Unbelievable.



I suspect... in spite of his density... (which shouldn't matter... because the density of human matter has no matter on this matter...) that he DOES, in fact, get it... he is just making a logical argument... to make a point.

Not that it matters... when one believes in Santa Claus...

:smirk:


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Oi Markos... calling me names hardly makes your case. It just shows me that you're so wrong and so know it that you have to resort to the "neener neener, you're stoopid" debating tactic.

Get back to me when you have a rebuttal worthy of a 3rd grader. Or when you're ready to show off that magic ability that could make you rich and which you talk about endlessly but somehow can't demonstrate. :thumbdown:

Oh, and stop trying to "teach me". Geez.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Only a one-sided materialist could even think along the lines af asking subjective phenomena be demonstrated objectively to others - for prize money no less!


The problem is that many people claim it's an objective phenomenom.


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I know... that just the smallest
                                                part of the world belongs to me
You know... I'm not a blind man
                                                    but truth is the hardest thing to see

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I view the description of such systems as models. If the model behaves subjectively like it is correct then it is valid even if it is not "scientifically correct". The only important thing is if it holds up subjectively with results!


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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If you weren't so dense, Personalisms don't make your case.:thumbdown:

Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black IMO.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Diaboleros]
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For years, Skinnerian Behaviorism dominated psychology in this country. Skinner maintained that there is no such thing as mind. Personally, I think that mind is real, Reality in fact. However, mind has no extension in space-time, is not quantifiable and cannot be measured scientifically because mind is non-physical. Chakra psychology is a model which helps to organize, describe and predict human behavior. It is a psychological model. Like atomic models, we all realize that models are not the thing-in-itself, so what's the problem here? The only problem I'm aware of is the philosophy of crude materialism which identifies Ultimate Reality with materiality.

I am not impressed with great materiality, and only somewhat by great intellect. It is great spirituality which awes me: kindness, ability to forgive, generosity, not taking offense, rejoicing in the joys of others (instead of envying), non-violence. Extreme one-sided 2nd chakra psychologies like that of Hugh Hefner, one-sided and extreme 3rd chakra psychologies like the world's dictators (or dime-a-dozen porn stars and petty tyrants that we all encounter) all constellate their life-styles like a mandala around their corresponding chakra motivations. Their universe places the 'sun' of their psychological solar system in the predominating chakra. We all are a living totem pole of identical chakra motivations, and its only the degree of influence of each motivation that creates our individual personality. It is a useful model if one is dedicated to self-knowledge and is open to human development.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
The only important thing is if it holds up subjectively with results!


Very good.

Now, show us the results!

(drum roll...)


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Diploid]
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You need some schoolin' seeing as you project your own fantasies onto my posts ("magic ability"??). I am rich enough for my needs, but if you're still on about The Amazing Randi, you can't possibly see beyond a monologue of your own making. I'm not interested in proving magical abilities that you are projecting onto me to a materialistic old stage magician. What an absurd contest!

And hey, sorry about the name. I changed it to a word that still reflects your attitude. If anyone is copping a plug-your-ears while yelling "lalalala...," it's you. Sorry too, that you don't get the teaching.

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Diploid]
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Neener neener neeeener... you ain't got no weeeener!!!


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Quote:
Forum Rules
You can bring to bear all your rhetorical skills and articulate arguments in an attempt to expose the idea under discussion as ludicrous, repugnant or whatever - as a matter of fact you are encouraged to do so - but the acceptable method is to direct all your weaponry at the IDEA being presented, not at the person presenting the idea.



Is this really so difficult to grasp?  If your comments attempt to negatively describe the PERSON proposing an idea, as opposed to the idea itself, you are not debating--you're flaming!  Lowering the discussion to this level would mean a nonsensical exchange of "Am not!" "Are to!"  "Am not"  "Are to times a thousand" "Am not times infinity!" 

C'mon people, I think that we can do better than this!  Drop the fucking personalisms and DEBATE THE TOPIC!  I am tired of the juvenile insults and lame attempts to psychoanalyze other posters.  If you cannot debate the topic, then DON'T POST ANYTHING.  Simple as that.

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
"Am not!" "Are to!"  "Am not"  "Are to times a thousand" "Am not times infinity!" 



*Too

Some people think I knew the outcome of this thread when I started it...


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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Kids can't spell!  :razz:

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Geezuz Markos. You crack me up man. :rofl:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
C'mon people, I think that we can do better than this!  Drop the fucking personalisms and DEBATE THE TOPIC!  I am tired of the juvenile insults and lame attempts to psychoanalyze other posters.  If you cannot debate the topic, then DON'T POST ANYTHING.  Simple as that.


hehehe

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: daytripper23]
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Quote:
Welcome to the Philosophy & Spirituality Forum

This forum is for the open discussion of a wide range of philosophical topics that often enough also relate to our spirituality. From aesthetics to epistemology, metaphysics to ethics and more. The rules for posting in this forum are simple and few:

1) No flaming. If you can't state your case or refute someone else's case without calling him/her "stupid" or an "idiot" don't post here. This forum is for intelligent discussion, not for belittling someone who holds differing opinions. This rule will be strictly enforced. If you have been warned already you will receive a ban, if you continue to flame you will be banned permanently. Choose your words wisely or suffer the consequences.

2) Although not always possible, when quoting a source please provide a link. Also, when posting a video, it is conducive for discussion to include a description of the video, and perhaps include some points from the video that would be interesting to discuss.

3) If you're going to post a link to a video or external web page, also include a description of what the link is about and a proposed topic for discussion. Posts not conforming to this will be deleted.

4) Avoid personalisms. We're all human and nobody expects a completely sterile discussion, but please try to keep to the topic, and leave the folks you're talking to personally out of things. If your personalisms get the attention of the moderators, you will be warned or banned.

5) Long-time forum regulars will generally get a littler more discretion from the moderators than noobs. This is in recognition of their many contributions to the nature and character of this forum, and the many times they've had to deal with the noob who shows up with a new, mind-blowing concept that's actually an old rag we've deconstructed here a hundred times over the years. If you're new here, keep that in mind. Stick around and become a regular yourself!

6) Anything not covered here is at the moderators' discretion.


See rule #5? Watch your ass, n00b.

:tongue:


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Fiddlesticks.


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