Cannabischarlie said:

You do not discard the organs, these can be eaten. In fact I love offal (organ meats) and the meat industry does not spend time and money raising the animal just to throw away these commodities.


I did have a discussion with a friend who just turned vegan. He says he has no problem with people raising animals for food, but the conditions they are kept in are inhumane anymore because its all about volume, and not quality. The hormones we give them are because we do not allow them to grow naturally, and be normal animals before slaughter, and thats not healthy and we dont get the nutrients we are supposed to, so we eat entirely too much meat.

I seconded that by saying the conditions are also unsanitary, and cause those kinds of problems, and that we have no excuse in america for factory farming in the exact same places we used to free range, and the american farmer suffers while the corporations make huge profit off of meat, and that meat quality is suffering in taste as well.

he stated that its fine to raise animals and then slaughter them. They do not see it coming, and they lead their lives. ITs normal,

however we keep them in fear he said, and those hormones go into the meat causing less nutrients and dont taste as good.

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Crasher said:

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Also, I euthanized a puppy with my bare hands

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We call that killing in my book.

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I would call it killing if it were pointless, it was not

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boxcarguy07 said:

factory farmed meat.

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Mr.Al said:

We make decisions based on love or fear.  Love is the key to  amplifying energy and raising consciousness.  Compassion is having love for all sentient beings.  Killing animals and eating them is the consciousness following what the body wants.  Energy does not move upward in this case.  It does ground you.  Many people who have never taken psychedelics (or done yoga, meditation, etc.) are grounded their entire lives.  They almost never question things.  They trust their government (government is literally control of the mind).  They are terrified of dying because they have never experienced anything outside of their body.  They OBJECTIFY every other being; whether it is a cow or their supposed life-mate... They are fear based and can not grow now, "we're at war! 911! salmonella in the tomatoes Oh No!" The cake is melting in the rain.......

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Mr.Al said:

We make decisions based on love or fear

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Prisoner#1 said:

boxcarguy07 said:

factory farmed meat.

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I keep hearing this, can you post a picture of a factory farm?

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http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/national_disgrace.htm

comparing pictures of grass-fed and "conventional production agriculture"

sure, it's from a website selling grass-fed meat but I knew of this source offhand so I didn't have to search for ya

boxcarguy07 said:

Prisoner#1 said:

boxcarguy07 said:

factory farmed meat.

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I keep hearing this, can you post a picture of a factory farm?

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http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/national_disgrace.htm

comparing pictures of grass-fed and "conventional production agriculture"

sure, it's from a website selling grass-fed meat but I knew of this source offhand so I didn't have to search for ya

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this is the feed lot I was referring too, it's the last few
months prior to slaughter where they're fattened up on grain,
that's why there's no grass, all cattle are grazed for most of
their lives, some also get grain as a supplement to the grass



here's an example of a black angus operation, a typical factory
farm, the guy has several hundred head and he rotates paddocks
so there's always grain until it's auction time, does it look
familliar... only difference is those last 3 months

boxcarguy07 said:

Still, those last few months of only grain plus the grain being available before that makes a WORLD of difference nutritionally.

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Mr.Al said:

I know plants are sentient.  I have talked to trees while tripping on 2CB.  I know a very particular tree in the back yard.  I told him that I was very impressed with with his eloquent (but extremely slow with extensive pauses) speech and told him I want to be his student.  He told me he can teach me how to grow deep roots.  I call him William Shatner, (sp?) for obvious reasons....  The etymological latin roots of the word govern-ment means literally: control of the mind.  Their food pyramid scheme is illuminati propaganda.  It is a sick joke, much like nailing a carpenter's son to a tree. ILLUMINATI must behave themselves or they will face physical & metaphysical annihilation.  God has sicced a few million angry chinese gangsters, 100 thousand chinese assasins, and 3000 antsy ninjas on them if they do not comply.  Check out Robert Fulford.......Tell me, if you could have a meaningful conversation with, say, "Betsy the cow", could you still kill her???????

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