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A question for the meat eaters
    #8612459 - 07/09/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)





You are at the butchershop to score some meat for dinner, when the butcher offers you a deal: You have to come with him to the slaughterhouse, and once there you will be put in a room with a cow. You are to shoot this cow through the head. Then the butcher and you will process the cow in the traditional way, cut him up basically and hang out the pieces and discarding the organs etc. You will be doing most of the work, he will be directing it.

If you do this, you will get a cow's worth of meat coupons so you can eat meat for free for a long time, as many pounds as the cow yielded.

So, in these times of abundance...

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WOULD you slaughter a cow for its meat?
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COULD you slaughter a cow for its meat?
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8612469 - 07/09/08 10:43 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

probably yes (depends on if I have a deepfreeze and room for the meat)
Yes, I could and would.


I think anybody that eats meat shouldn't be shielded from what they consume.  Steaks don't come from cellophane and Styrofoam containers.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: blink]
    #8612493 - 07/09/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I definetly could do the slaughter and the processing.

Eating it afterwards might take a bit but yeah, I'm sure I could do it.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: blink]
    #8612494 - 07/09/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

YES

and good point with the deep freezer.

but i would just call up friends with deep freezers and store it there anyway.

a whole cow is too much meat for one freezer anyway


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8612499 - 07/09/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I could do it but I wouldn't.

I'm becoming more and more fed up with the exploitation of absolutely everything we can get our hands on.. I'd rather pay for it and eat the small amount I require,  instead of murdering some innocent animal just so I could get its meat for free. As you said, this is a time of abundance.

I swear I'm slowly turning vegetarian.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: just me]
    #8612505 - 07/09/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

without a question, come on FREE MEAT COUPONS?
gimmie a break, of course


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: blink]
    #8612506 - 07/09/08 10:49 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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probably yes (depends on if I have a deepfreeze and room for the meat)
Yes, I could and would.

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I think anybody that eats meat shouldn't be shielded from what they consume.





My answer exactly. I probably would, as I'm a meateater and my guilt extends as much to the killing of the animals if I slaughter them or if someone slaughters them for me. I also think I definitely could do it.

Pulling a trigger is easy, living with the consequences is not.

I think I could but it very likely would come back to haunt me and lead to me finally becoming a vegetarian.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8612517 - 07/09/08 10:51 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

so i take it youre not a hunter?

and not everyone is living in abundance.

i lived in a town where we got off school for deer season.

that was food on the table.

i no longer kill needlessly. i cant even bring myself to shoot the human sized rats on my roof, or the chickens runnin around here bcuz i wont eat them.

but anything im going to consume that requires killing first is ok by me. after all theyre livestock. theyre put here for us to consume


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Cepheus]
    #8612531 - 07/09/08 10:54 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yes. Growing up in a rural part of Northern Michigan I'm no stranger to shooting my food in the head, sectioning it off, and discarding the undesirables. I'd have an easier time with a farm raised cow than with a wild deer which may or may not have young. I don't hunt anymore, but I fish sometimes. Times have changed to the point that hunting is no longer a necessity for my family, and I don't believe that shooting anything is a sport.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8612534 - 07/09/08 10:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I think I could bring myself to go through this process.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8612542 - 07/09/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

GOD, THOSE COWS ARE SO FUCKING CUTE!  :heart:

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8612545 - 07/09/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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You are to shoot this cow through the head.




I have no issues with killing anything

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: MOTH]
    #8612548 - 07/09/08 10:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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GOD, THOSE COWS ARE SO FUCKING CUTE!  :heart:




if you like it so much why dont you marry it :smirk:

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: MOTH]
    #8612549 - 07/09/08 10:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

HAHAHA, its a COW!!!

it LOOKS like MEAT. not like CUTE!!!


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8612558 - 07/09/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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GOD, THOSE COWS ARE SO FUCKING CUTE!  :heart:




if you like it so much why dont you marry it :smirk:




It's more like I feel maternal towards it; I wouldn't marry one of my children.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: MOTH]
    #8612566 - 07/09/08 11:02 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yes but he better use some kind of bolt gun or current, I don't plan on fishing out a round from a cow skull. Needle in a hay stack.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8612574 - 07/09/08 11:04 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I've recently come to embrace the idea of trying to slay what I eat.  I'm going dear hunting this year and getting a small game licence in September.  I've also been fishing a lot too, gotta love them trout.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: just me]
    #8612578 - 07/09/08 11:04 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Kill it and eat it.
Hell ya.
I love me some nice fat juicy cow steaks.
Cute....HA......its a cow, Like just me said, it looks like meat.
You cant have any pudding if you dont eat your meat.:lol:

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Butchering da Butcher? [Re: Irdamage]
    #8612579 - 07/09/08 11:04 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

No option for turning the knife on the butcher and eating him? For as long as his yield would last?



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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8612644 - 07/09/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

My family already hunts for most of our meat.  I try not to eat meat from the store as much as possible since we got a few hundred pounds of wild game in a couple freezers at home.  The skinning and butchering of an animal isn't that bad....I'm just use to it I guess.


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Re: Butchering da Butcher? [Re: numonkei]
    #8612648 - 07/09/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Has anyone here tried to eat meat while tripping??? (Yarf!?!)  I couldn't even stomach eggs benedict while on the cacti.  A good friend of mine became a vegetarian after he had a mushroom trip in which he turned into a burger and a cow ate him.  I look at food as fuel for the physical vehicle...  Perhaps in a vegetarian society people would not be willing to go to war because they are not as fear based as others.  I have noticed a vegetarian diet calms the mind and allows you to clearly distinguish between the vehicle and the driver... Any thoughts???

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Irdamage]
    #8612652 - 07/09/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes but he better use some kind of bolt gun or current, I don't plan on fishing out a round from a cow skull. Needle in a hay stack.




why would you need to find the lead?

its a skull...:shrug:

now cow brain for me ewwwwwwww.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Boutang]
    #8612705 - 07/09/08 11:35 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I grew up, still work at, and love my family farm. I have nothing against vegitarians, My grilfriend is one, but I have no problem killing animals. It's not inhumane of me, its realistic.We raise dairy so most of our cows are not slaughtered, but we'll slaughter the bulls that are born if we dont sell em first. One bull is a lot of friggin meat. If you wanna be existential about it, its more humane to kill the fuckers when they're young and cute and tender, than to raise them in squalid servitude until they have such bad arthritis you have to kill em anyway. Or they get, well I forget the name of the disease, but its basically where the milk turns to cheese in their utter and apperantly its really fucking painful. We do raise them in pastures so they have free roam of about 80 acres, but whatever, I like beef is what I'm trying to say here. It all depends on your indoctrination as a youth I suppose, and living on a farm, damn i love meat. haaha peace.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8612732 - 07/09/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

No I don't think I would slaughter the cow, simply because for health reasons I don't eat much red meat anymore.  That's a lot of free food but I think I would OD on beef and get sick of it.

I have never slaughtered anything but I think I could do it.  I think it would actually be healthy for me to do it, to come to terms with what has to happen for me to eat meat.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: MOTH]
    #8612748 - 07/09/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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GOD, THOSE COWS ARE SO FUCKING CUTE!  :heart:



it would look even cuter in my belly... mmmm.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Cepheus]
    #8612772 - 07/09/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I could do it but I wouldn't.

I'm becoming more and more fed up with the exploitation of absolutely everything we can get our hands on.. I'd rather pay for it and eat the small amount I require,  instead of murdering some innocent animal just so I could get its meat for free. As you said, this is a time of abundance.

I swear I'm slowly turning vegetarian.





Eh it's western society.  Though I honestly find nothing wrong with someone taking down a deer or elk with a bow, and then doing all the work and gutting and cleaning it themselves.  I honestly want to buy myself 50-100 acres somewhere in the wilderness (you can get supercheap land in Montana) and build my own cabin, and start living off the land myself - hunting, gardening, I'll have a little farm etc.  In that manner you're not really 'exploiting' the animals you're eating.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8612791 - 07/09/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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No I don't think I would slaughter the cow, simply because for health reasons I don't eat much red meat anymore.  That's a lot of free food but I think I would OD on beef and get sick of it.

I have never slaughtered anything but I think I could do it.  I think it would actually be healthy for me to do it, to come to terms with what has to happen for me to eat meat.





all this talk about red meat and milk and all that shit being unhealthy is garbage.

its todays science that will be dissproven in the future.

the same with how your not only born with a certain # of brain cells and it stays that # your whole life.

science is in and out. its just hypothesis until enough of them look like fact.

meat is good for you


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Re: Butchering da Butcher? [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8612906 - 07/09/08 12:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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A good friend of mine became a vegetarian after he had a mushroom trip in which he turned into a burger and a cow ate him.




more reason to eat meat, last thing I want is a cow eating me so the more I can eliminate from the face of the plant the more people I can save, even if they are vegetarians

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Perhaps in a vegetarian society people would not be willing to go to war because they are not as fear based as others.




what? the absurdity of this statement is hilarious

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: just me]
    #8612913 - 07/09/08 12:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)
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all this talk about red meat and milk and all that shit being unhealthy is garbage.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: creekfreek]
    #8612917 - 07/09/08 12:25 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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    #8612938 - 07/09/08 12:33 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: just me]
    #8612940 - 07/09/08 12:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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No I don't think I would slaughter the cow, simply because for health reasons I don't eat much red meat anymore.  That's a lot of free food but I think I would OD on beef and get sick of it.

I have never slaughtered anything but I think I could do it.  I think it would actually be healthy for me to do it, to come to terms with what has to happen for me to eat meat.





all this talk about red meat and milk and all that shit being unhealthy is garbage.

its todays science that will be dissproven in the future.

the same with how your not only born with a certain # of brain cells and it stays that # your whole life.

science is in and out. its just hypothesis until enough of them look like fact.

meat is good for you



Not all beef is good for you, the stuff they sell in fast food joints and the beef in supermarkets is downright garbage.

I have a mom&pop butcher shop up in Broward I go to and the prices are high but the beef is outstanding.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8612949 - 07/09/08 12:37 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

it troubles me to eat things that didn't once have a soul.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8612960 - 07/09/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Nope I wouldnt do it. Im ok with killing something and eating it, my stepmothers father ran a farm, Ive seen a cow butchered before, and Ive certainly done my fair share of hunting. I hate the commercialized breeding of livestock though. Its taken one of the most basic and pure aspects of life (taking a life in order to sustain your own) and completely stripped it of meaning. Everyone who eats any kind of meat IMO should at some point in there life have to personally kill something, there is no other way to possibly understand what you're doing when you bite into that juicy steak. Feeling the blood of what was just a living breathing creature just like you pour over your hands really gets the point across.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: just me]
    #8612965 - 07/09/08 12:46 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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No I don't think I would slaughter the cow, simply because for health reasons I don't eat much red meat anymore.




all this talk about red meat and milk and all that shit being unhealthy is garbage.

its todays science that will be dissproven in the future.





I did not say meat is unhealthy.  My sparse red meat intake is not because of published science; I base it on how I feel physically.  When I eat red meat or anything else high in saturated fats, I feel sluggish.  When I eat proteins such as vegetable proteins or fish I feel lighter, I have more energy, my complexion is better, my mood is better, I don't get indigestion or heartburn.  I pay attention to how I feel when I eat certain things, and I learn a lot this way.  Those are the kinds of experiments whose results are especially meaningful to me.

I'm not telling you what to eat or not eat.  Scientific studies can be useful, but unfortunately nutrition science is heavily influenced (and funded) by food producers, so it is hard to tell what is reliable.  When my body says "I feel like shit when you feed me that," I believe it.  As far as I'm concerned the science is inconclusive in this issue so far.

You already appear to be convinced by one particular camp.  Is it not possible that your viewpoint is the one that will be revealed to be incorrect in the future?


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8612967 - 07/09/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I'm a vegetarian.
I don't need meat to live.
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8613040 - 07/09/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

When beef becomes a luxury item I won't need a gun. I'll kill that meaty fucker with my bare hands and eat it raw and fresh.

Just like my ancestors. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for their hardcore determination in killing and gutting animals.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: spanky43]
    #8613044 - 07/09/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I hope you're not male. You'll look funny with those man-boobs from your sky-rocketing estrogen levels due to all the soy protein you're taking in.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: spanky43]
    #8613045 - 07/09/08 01:19 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm a vegetarian.
I don't need meat to live.
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8613049 - 07/09/08 01:19 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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When beef becomes a luxury item I won't need a gun. I'll kill that meaty fucker with my bare hands and eat it raw and fresh.

Just like my ancestors. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for their hardcore determination in killing and gutting animals.




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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8613064 - 07/09/08 01:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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When my body says "I feel like shit when you feed me that," I believe it.




could be because your body isnt used to processing it any more,
kinda like when I drink a coke, it gives me the shits and my body
no longer likes me for having consumed it, hows your body handle
things with high saturated fats like cottonseed oil, palm kernel
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mankey]
    #8613066 - 07/09/08 01:24 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It seems like some plants, like fruit, want to be eaten.  In the wild, the eaters of the fruit would spread the seeds with their poo, so that more plants would grow.   

I think of that each time I take a shit.  Too bad it's in a toilet, otherwise I would be fulfilling my role as an eater of fruit.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Boutang]
    #8613072 - 07/09/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i love my steak, i would kill and butcher the cow. could i wrap its intestines around me like a scarf? lol, j/k about that part.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: MOTH]
    #8613096 - 07/09/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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It seems like some plants, like fruit, want to be eaten.  In the wild, the eaters of the fruit would spread the seeds with their poo, so that more plants would grow.   

I think of that each time I take a shit.  Too bad it's in a toilet, otherwise I would be fulfilling my role as an eater of fruit.



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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8613107 - 07/09/08 01:33 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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It seems like some plants, like fruit, want to be eaten.  In the wild, the eaters of the fruit would spread the seeds with their poo, so that more plants would grow.   

I think of that each time I take a shit.  Too bad it's in a toilet, otherwise I would be fulfilling my role as an eater of fruit.



I'd suggest you start shitting in the street immediately.




I don't want to be arrested.  :frown:

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mankey]
    #8613235 - 07/09/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I hope you're not male. You'll look funny with those man-boobs from your sky-rocketing estrogen levels due to all the soy protein you're taking in.




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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: creekfreek]
    #8613261 - 07/09/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Anti-vegan propaganda.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: creekfreek]
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I hope you're not male. You'll look funny with those man-boobs from your sky-rocketing estrogen levels due to all the soy protein you're taking in.




WTF are you talking about?




Its not that drastic, but study's do show a rise in estrogen production among men who consume soy.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Chemy]
    #8613275 - 07/09/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

isoflavones.... look em up.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8613286 - 07/09/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Those studies involved the use of soy protein isolates, which are highly-concentrated, refined protein supplements.  They do seem to indicate that the consumption of refined soy protein sources provides adequate phytoestrogens to create hormonal imbalances in human males.

The consumption of tofu, tempeh & soy-based meat analogs has not been shown to markedly increase human estrogen levels.  The slight increase caused by soy foods has been demonstrated to have a protective effect against heart disease, as estrogen is the reason why heart disease is unusual in pre-menopausal women.

BTW, Mankey: vegans and vegetarians do not have to consume soy protein.  There are many other sources of plant-based protein.  It's best to consume a variety of plant proteins, as this allows you to obtain all the essential amino acids.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mankey]
    #8613290 - 07/09/08 02:26 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

As long as it was a grass-fed cow, I would do it!
And I would not use a gun, but kill it Halal-style.

That would make me really happy to have free meat like that!


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8613297 - 07/09/08 02:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I would absolutely do that, and have been considering a similar idea recently (seeing as ive been riding thru fields filled with llamas and goats and sheep and cows for over a month) ... its made me think about that.

I would at one time.. perhaps like to have small amounts of animals (pigs, goats, sheep) for personal use, but would not raise them unless i could take their lives myself.

Infact this scenerio nearly occured when 1 of our chickens was sick, and i volunteered to "put it out of its misery" if it didnt improve in a week or so..

The slaughtering of our pet chicken does effect me emotionally (and no one else would comprehend doing it) - but you must look at things through a less self centered perspective... obviously euthenasia is different than killing for consumption - but it is my opinion that if you raised an animal to be consumed .... you are simply fulfilling its destiny. I also think, in the meantime, for a person raising only small personal amounts of meat that the animals should be raised with reverence, dignity and respect - and when their time has come - their time has come.

My step dad has been a longtime hunter (for food) and makes killer homemade jerky and gets deer pepperoni made.. not to mention the steaks and stew meat from moose..

I am going to try and find the time to get my PAL this year, and propose a week long hunting trip for cariboo or Elk this winter...

(and no, i have never slid a knife into the gut of a steaming hot, freshly killed animal, emptied its guts, quartered it, and carried it out of the bush..) - i think if you cannot do this, you do not deserve to eat meat.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mankey]
    #8613305 - 07/09/08 02:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not a vegetarian per se, but a cows worth of meat would last me, if not a lifetime, multiple decades of it.  I answered yes and yes by the way.  Oh, and I don't even like killing flies (I brought in some spiders to do the job), but if it's for sustinence, then I could definitely manage.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8613316 - 07/09/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)




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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #8613317 - 07/09/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Aww poor thing,it's too cute, i doubt i could enless it was a choice between starving to death or eating my buddy "Moo-e".


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Look at it this way: if you want to make a baby cry, first you give it a lollipop. Then you take it away. If you never give it a lollipop to begin with, it would have nothin' to cry about. That's like God, who gives us life and love and help just so that he can tear it all away and make us cry, so he can drink the sweet milk of our tears. You see, it's our tears, Stan, that give God his great power.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #8613323 - 07/09/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Do we think that more highly evolved beings consume meat?? I do agree that concentrated protein sources were in scarce supply when we were not as evolved.  Thus, a stupid primate needed to slaughter animals in  order to have enough protein to support the evolution of a more advanced vessel for the consciousness.  It is through the polarity of decision making that we develop understanding and continue to evolve. There are only two basic human emotions; fear and love.  Killing other sentient beings drags down the consciousness.  That is why politicians and government (gov't means control of the mind) love war.  If you don't control the body, it will control you and you will cease growing as an individualized spark of consciousness that originally came from God.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8613332 - 07/09/08 02:38 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Do we think that more highly evolved beings consume meat?? I do agree that concentrated protein sources were in scarce supply when we were not as evolved.  Thus, a stupid primate needed to slaughter animals in  order to have enough protein to support the evolution of a more advanced vessel for the consciousness.  It is through the polarity of decision making that we develop understanding and continue to evolve. There are only two basic human emotions; fear and love.  Killing other sentient beings drags down the consciousness.  That is why politicians and government (gov't means control of the mind) love war.  If you don't control the body, it will control you and you will cease growing as an individualized spark of consciousness that originally came from God.




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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Boutang]
    #8613333 - 07/09/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

ive always wanted to pop a cap in a cows dome piece. so im down. especially if i get some badass beef for it too.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8613334 - 07/09/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It is (partly, likely) through eating the high omega-3 content of wild meat that we evolved such large brains in the first place.
What is the difference between killing a cow and killing a plant?
Life sustains life. It is a beautiful, and dreadful, thing.
As long as you are thankful and make good use of your kill, you are doing no harm but rather good.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #8613341 - 07/09/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Go smoke some DMT and ask some of the funny, skinny, tall blue aliens if they eat meat.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8613356 - 07/09/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I know for a fact I could, I have.
I work at the slaughterhouse part time during deer season.
Ive killed and slaughtered all of the following
deer
cattle
pig
rabbit
coon
possum
cat
beaver
pigeon
chicken
quail
geese

As a matter of fact I'm picking up a truck load of goats from the Amish auction next weekend. Me and some cousins are going to have a slaughter party and drink and clean goats all day next Saturday. Then we will make jerky all day Sunday, again more beer will be involved :lol:


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8613358 - 07/09/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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When my body says "I feel like shit when you feed me that," I believe it.




could be because your body isnt used to processing it any more,
kinda like when I drink a coke, it gives me the shits and my body
no longer likes me for having consumed it, hows your body handle
things with high saturated fats like cottonseed oil, palm kernel
oil, nuts and soy beans




That is possible.  But it always kind of made me sluggish.  It seems to me that meat and dairy are hard on my system, and I know I'm not the only one.  Meat lovers seem to get quite defensive whenever anybody suggests that meat and dairy might not be the most wholesome foods for people.  It hasn't been that long since I had a lot of red meat in my diet, and I never felt as healthy digestively as I do now.  I'm sure much of it is because I am more conscious of what I eat, and that I eat more vegetables now. 

I like my current diet and see no reason to go back to eating beef more than occasionally.  That's why I don't want the whole cow; it's just too much meat for me to eat, not because I'm averse to killing an animal.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mankey]
    #8613375 - 07/09/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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When beef becomes a luxury item I won't need a gun. I'll kill that meaty fucker with my bare hands and eat it raw and fresh.

Just like my ancestors. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for their hardcore determination in killing and gutting animals.




WORD! I love living in a place where I can kill my own food.




I would like to add that fruit and vegetables are great things and I like them a lot. But they are no substitute for meat, even hemp seeds, the comparison can't be drawn. Vegetarien and meat meals need to be done in different ways or they don't work, if it's just a meat meal without the meat it fails.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8613386 - 07/09/08 02:54 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Murder tastes good. Seriously fuck cows, if they weren't meant to be eaten why do they taste so good?


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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When my body says "I feel like shit when you feed me that," I believe it.




could be because your body isnt used to processing it any more,
kinda like when I drink a coke, it gives me the shits and my body
no longer likes me for having consumed it, hows your body handle
things with high saturated fats like cottonseed oil, palm kernel
oil, nuts and soy beans




That is possible.  But it always kind of made me sluggish.  It seems to me that meat and dairy are hard on my system, and I know I'm not the only one.  Meat lovers seem to get quite defensive whenever anybody suggests that meat and dairy might not be the most wholesome foods for people.  It hasn't been that long since I had a lot of red meat in my diet, and I never felt as healthy digestively as I do now.  I'm sure much of it is because I am more conscious of what I eat, and that I eat more vegetables now. 

I like my current diet and see no reason to go back to eating beef more than occasionally.  That's why I don't want the whole cow; it's just too much meat for me to eat, not because I'm averse to killing an animal.




I've had that with both milk and alcohol. Won't touch dairy these days, the taste isin't appealing to me.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8613406 - 07/09/08 03:00 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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When my body says "I feel like shit when you feed me that," I believe it.




could be because your body isnt used to processing it any more,
kinda like when I drink a coke, it gives me the shits and my body
no longer likes me for having consumed it, hows your body handle
things with high saturated fats like cottonseed oil, palm kernel
oil, nuts and soy beans




That is possible.  But it always kind of made me sluggish.  It seems to me that meat and dairy are hard on my system, and I know I'm not the only one.  Meat lovers seem to get quite defensive whenever anybody suggests that meat and dairy might not be the most wholesome foods for people.  It hasn't been that long since I had a lot of red meat in my diet, and I never felt as healthy digestively as I do now.  I'm sure much of it is because I am more conscious of what I eat, and that I eat more vegetables now. 

I like my current diet and see no reason to go back to eating beef more than occasionally.  That's why I don't want the whole cow; it's just too much meat for me to eat, not because I'm averse to killing an animal.




just wondering, did you ever eat grass-fed meat?
I agree that dairy is probably not the best thing for people to consume (I don't eat dairy) and grain-fed animals are nutritional disasters.
But grass-fed meats are more than healthy.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Veritas]
    #8613414 - 07/09/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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The consumption of tofu, tempeh & soy-based meat analogs has not been shown to markedly increase human estrogen levels. 





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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8613420 - 07/09/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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When beef becomes a luxury item I won't need a gun. I'll kill that meaty fucker with my bare hands and eat it raw and fresh.

Just like my ancestors. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for their hardcore determination in killing and gutting animals.




speaking of which, I'm eating some raw meat right now!!

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #8613426 - 07/09/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Meat lovers seem to get quite defensive whenever anybody suggests that meat and dairy might not be the most wholesome foods for people. 




no more than vegans or vegetarians when it comes to claiming
meat is actually good for you, anyway I've noticed that any
drastic dietary change can produce some adverse effects but as
you mentioned with meat, it does seem to be more filling than
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It hasn't been that long since I had a lot of red meat in my diet, and I never felt as healthy digestively as I do now.  I'm sure much of it is because I am more conscious of what I eat, and that I eat more vegetables now. 




see, I can respect a persons desire to limit their intake of any
substance, oddly enough if I have vegetarian or vegan guest I
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #8613437 - 07/09/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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just wondering, did you ever eat grass-fed meat?
grain-fed animals are nutritional disasters.





I have and I know that most animals are fed grass and hay and
finished in a feedlot for the last couple months with grains,
it's far too costly to feed nothing but grain through the life
of a cow, what's more if they're allowed ot forage grains it
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8613438 - 07/09/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Killing other sentient beings drags down the consciousness.




I disagree. The assumption you're putting forth is just a manifestation of what you hope is true. If there are higher beings in the universe, how could you conclude they don't destroy other sentient beings for survival.

Killing provides perspective, and shows you the inescapable circle we live in. Try to live without killing, and, prove to me plants are less spiritually significant than animals.


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    #8613451 - 07/09/08 03:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Never tried grass-fed meat, no.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Crasher]
    #8613723 - 07/09/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It is a question of what you identify with; the body or the consciousness that resides within and animates the body.  If you identify with the body you will have a tendency to want to eat flesh.  Body identification is a fear based existence and is not conducive to growth.  I noticed many on the boards see nothing wrong with pornography?  Interest in pornography is also sympomatic of identifying with your physical body...  No offense intended, the body does pull at the consciousness oftentimes.  i deal with it every day.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8613734 - 07/09/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I answered "I don't eat meat" and "yes".
Having spent time in college on an Animal Sciences degree (not what I will end up graduating with, but still, took some classes there)I have been on a couple of killing floors. The whole process really isn't that terrible. Also, I euthanized a puppy with my bare hands as a teenager, I think I could handle killing a cow.
However, I agree with WhiskeyClone about the effects of meat on my body. I have been forcibly turned into an almost-always vegetarian (every once in awhile a good looking rare steak still gets the better of me) by the fact that my body goes into utter rebellion whenever I try to eat any form of meat besides fish. This makes working at Chick-Fil-A SUCK. The upside of this is that I have lost a good bit of weight simply by adjusting my diet to not include meat...some of that may be due to the fact that I think I accidently reset my metabolism with some chi-kung stuff, but I think that the lack of flesh has also had an effect.
Just out of curiosity, do you find that your system handles some meats better than others?

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8613743 - 07/09/08 04:16 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Body identification is a fear based existence




Do you care to elaborate? I find that the denouncement of the physical vessel in search of the spiritual can be just as detrimental as abandoning the esoteric for the pursuit of the carnal.

We are creatures of duality in many facets of our life, and I personally see no fear in my recognition of the physical and spiritual aspects of everything.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8613745 - 07/09/08 04:17 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Glad we have you here to set us straight. Im throwing all my porn and steak sauce out right now.

Coincidently have you ever been to a buddhist temple? Most of the monks eat meat. But I'm sure those guys dont know anything about consciousness like you do.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Crasher]
    #8613750 - 07/09/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Also, I euthanized a puppy with my bare hands




We call that killing in my book.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Crasher]
    #8613751 - 07/09/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

All I know is for the Human species, eating meat is natural.  Our jaws and teeth are made to eat both meat and vegetation, our stomachs are designed to be able to handle an omnivorous diet.  I don't like hearing this "We're too evolved to eat meat" bullshit all the time either, as humans are far from evolved, we're pretty dirty, filthy, crappy animals.



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Also, I euthanized a puppy with my bare hands




We call that killing in my book.




I call that S&M.  :wink:

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Maverick]
    #8613767 - 07/09/08 04:24 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't like hearing this "We're too evolved to eat meat" bullshit all the time either, as humans are far from evolved, we're pretty dirty, filthy, crappy animals.




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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8613892 - 07/09/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

You do not discard the organs, these can be eaten. In fact I love offal (organ meats) and the meat industry does not spend time and money raising the animal just to throw away these commodities.


I did have a discussion with a friend who just turned vegan. He says he has no problem with people raising animals for food, but the conditions they are kept in are inhumane anymore because its all about volume, and not quality. The hormones we give them are because we do not allow them to grow naturally, and be normal animals before slaughter, and thats not healthy and we dont get the nutrients we are supposed to, so we eat entirely too much meat.

I seconded that by saying the conditions are also unsanitary, and cause those kinds of problems, and that we have no excuse in america for factory farming in the exact same places we used to free range, and the american farmer suffers while the corporations make huge profit off of meat, and that meat quality is suffering in taste as well.

he stated that its fine to raise animals and then slaughter them. They do not see it coming, and they lead their lives. ITs normal,

however we keep them in fear he said, and those hormones go into the meat causing less nutrients and dont taste as good.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #8613903 - 07/09/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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You do not discard the organs, these can be eaten. In fact I love offal (organ meats) and the meat industry does not spend time and money raising the animal just to throw away these commodities.


I did have a discussion with a friend who just turned vegan. He says he has no problem with people raising animals for food, but the conditions they are kept in are inhumane anymore because its all about volume, and not quality. The hormones we give them are because we do not allow them to grow naturally, and be normal animals before slaughter, and thats not healthy and we dont get the nutrients we are supposed to, so we eat entirely too much meat.

I seconded that by saying the conditions are also unsanitary, and cause those kinds of problems, and that we have no excuse in america for factory farming in the exact same places we used to free range, and the american farmer suffers while the corporations make huge profit off of meat, and that meat quality is suffering in taste as well.

he stated that its fine to raise animals and then slaughter them. They do not see it coming, and they lead their lives. ITs normal,

however we keep them in fear he said, and those hormones go into the meat causing less nutrients and dont taste as good.




Another good reason to eat grass-fed meats. No hormones, they're allowed to forage and eat what they were designed to eat. Not to mention how nutritionally superior they are over factory farmed meat.
As for the organs, mmmmm, I had some liver this morning!


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8613911 - 07/09/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Voted yes on both.

I love animals, but I also currently see them as useful for food and essential clothing. Don't agree with the fur trade personally as thats killing for vanity IMO.

Cows are bred specifically to eat, and given the right situation to be honest I wouldn't have any problem doing the same to a deer, or a rabbit or a pheasant, or whatever in the wild. I tend to eat organic farmed red meat, I'd eat completely organic if i could afford it.

For me it's partly that gaining all my nutritional needs is a pain in the arse at the best of times (I struggle to put weight on) so meat is something I value. And to be honest, I love the taste of meat, (and it's convenient). Although after some bloody nasty food poisoning the other day I don't think I'll look at a burger for a while... they taste so much worse on the way back 4 hours later. Bulls revenge lol.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Crasher]
    #8613915 - 07/09/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Also, I euthanized a puppy with my bare hands




We call that killing in my book.




I would call it killing if it were pointless, it was not. She was seriously ill when I took her, and though the vets I was working with at the time did all they could for her, we were in a primitive situation and she was rapidly deteriorating. As an animal lover with a 10-day old puppy in serious pain and starting a bodily shut-down, and having none of the "pink stuff" that does the job in most vet offices, I had a choice among letting her sweat it out, strangulation, or drowning. I took strangulation as the most humane of the options. THAT is euthanasia.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: trillby33]
    #8613937 - 07/09/08 05:10 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I would call it killing if it were pointless, it was not




Then every cage-bred and inhumanely treated creature is euthanized for our consumption.
I feel better already.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Crasher]
    #8614116 - 07/09/08 06:01 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

We make decisions based on love or fear.  Love is the key to  amplifying energy and raising consciousness.  Compassion is having love for all sentient beings.  Killing animals and eating them is the consciousness following what the body wants.  Energy does not move upward in this case.  It does ground you.  Many people who have never taken psychedelics (or done yoga, meditation, etc.) are grounded their entire lives.  They almost never question things.  They trust their government (government is literally control of the mind).  They are terrified of dying because they have never experienced anything outside of their body.  They OBJECTIFY every other being; whether it is a cow or their supposed life-mate... They are fear based and can not grow now, "we're at war! 911! salmonella in the tomatoes Oh No!" The cake is melting in the rain.......

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8614141 - 07/09/08 06:09 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

You're not patrick swayze, and this isnt donnie darko.

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    #8614166 - 07/09/08 06:16 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #8614196 - 07/09/08 06:26 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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factory farmed meat.




I keep hearing this, can you post a picture of a factory farm?

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8614201 - 07/09/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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We make decisions based on love or fear.  Love is the key to  amplifying energy and raising consciousness.  Compassion is having love for all sentient beings.  Killing animals and eating them is the consciousness following what the body wants.  Energy does not move upward in this case.  It does ground you.  Many people who have never taken psychedelics (or done yoga, meditation, etc.) are grounded their entire lives.  They almost never question things.  They trust their government (government is literally control of the mind).  They are terrified of dying because they have never experienced anything outside of their body.  They OBJECTIFY every other being; whether it is a cow or their supposed life-mate... They are fear based and can not grow now, "we're at war! 911! salmonella in the tomatoes Oh No!" The cake is melting in the rain.......




You've yet to explain how a killing a cow is any more "grounding" than killing a plant, other than using the word "sentient". How do you know a plant isn't just as sentient as a cow?
Life requires death to live.
Our bodies and our spirits are intertwined. Eating meat is good for my body and it is good for my spirit.

As far as the government, they're the ones telling us to severely limit our intake of red meats, and eat MORE grains.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8614209 - 07/09/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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factory farmed meat.




I keep hearing this, can you post a picture of a factory farm?





http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/national_disgrace.htm

comparing pictures of grass-fed and "conventional production agriculture"

sure, it's from a website selling grass-fed meat but I knew of this source offhand so I didn't have to search for ya :grin:


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8614229 - 07/09/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

"Okay. But you're not listening to me. There are other things that need to be taken into account here. Like the whole spectrum of human emotion. You can't just lump everything into these two categories and then just deny everything else!"

Ive taken plenty of psychedelics, done yoga, meditation, I question things constantly.  I still like meat and porn and it has absolutely nothing to do with fear.  Do hunger and sexual desire fit into the fear or love category?

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: boxcarguy07]
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factory farmed meat.




I keep hearing this, can you post a picture of a factory farm?





http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/national_disgrace.htm

comparing pictures of grass-fed and "conventional production agriculture"

sure, it's from a website selling grass-fed meat but I knew of this source offhand so I didn't have to search for ya :grin:





this is the feed lot I was referring too, it's the last few
months prior to slaughter where they're fattened up on grain,
that's why there's no grass, all cattle are grazed for most of
their lives, some also get grain as a supplement to the grass



here's an example of a black angus operation, a typical factory
farm, the guy has several hundred head and he rotates paddocks
so there's always grain until it's auction time, does it look
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Still, those last few months of only grain plus the grain being available before that makes a WORLD of difference nutritionally.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8614278 - 07/09/08 06:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I know plants are sentient.  I have talked to trees while tripping on 2CB.  I know a very particular tree in the back yard.  I told him that I was very impressed with with his eloquent (but extremely slow with extensive pauses) speech and told him I want to be his student.  He told me he can teach me how to grow deep roots.  I call him William Shatner, (sp?) for obvious reasons....  The etymological latin roots of the word govern-ment means literally: control of the mind.  Their food pyramid scheme is illuminati propaganda.  It is a sick joke, much like nailing a carpenter's son to a tree. ILLUMINATI must behave themselves or they will face physical & metaphysical annihilation.  God has sicced a few million angry chinese gangsters, 100 thousand chinese assasins, and 3000 antsy ninjas on them if they do not comply.  Check out Robert Fulford.......Tell me, if you could have a meaningful conversation with, say, "Betsy the cow", could you still kill her???????

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    #8614285 - 07/09/08 06:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Still, those last few months of only grain plus the grain being available before that makes a WORLD of difference nutritionally.




really? between it and aging it can improve the flavor of beef, it
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I know plants are sentient.  I have talked to trees while tripping on 2CB.  I know a very particular tree in the back yard.  I told him that I was very impressed with with his eloquent (but extremely slow with extensive pauses) speech and told him I want to be his student.  He told me he can teach me how to grow deep roots.  I call him William Shatner, (sp?) for obvious reasons....  The etymological latin roots of the word govern-ment means literally: control of the mind.  Their food pyramid scheme is illuminati propaganda.  It is a sick joke, much like nailing a carpenter's son to a tree. ILLUMINATI must behave themselves or they will face physical & metaphysical annihilation.  God has sicced a few million angry chinese gangsters, 100 thousand chinese assasins, and 3000 antsy ninjas on them if they do not comply.  Check out Robert Fulford.......Tell me, if you could have a meaningful conversation with, say, "Betsy the cow", could you still kill her???????



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    #8614296 - 07/09/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I know plants are sentient.  I have talked to trees while tripping on 2CB.  I know a very particular tree in the back yard.  I told him that I was very impressed with with his eloquent (but extremely slow with extensive pauses) speech and told him I want to be his student.  He told me he can teach me how to grow deep roots.  I call him William Shatner, (sp?) for obvious reasons....  The etymological latin roots of the word govern-ment means literally: control of the mind.  Their food pyramid scheme is illuminati propaganda.  It is a sick joke, much like nailing a carpenter's son to a tree. ILLUMINATI must behave themselves or they will face physical & metaphysical annihilation.  God has sicced a few million angry chinese gangsters, 100 thousand chinese assasins, and 3000 antsy ninjas on them if they do not comply.  Check out Robert Fulford.......Tell me, if you could have a meaningful conversation with, say, "Betsy the cow", could you still kill her???????




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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Druggie04]
    #8614304 - 07/09/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The porn and the meat are what satisfy the body.  The body is your vehicle, it takes you anywhere you want to go.  It thusly needs to be maintained properly.  If you engage in the porn, the energy literally flows downward and (sometimes literally) is projected out of the body.  This energy is raw material for alchemical processes the Taoists spoke of.  If you engage in the porno the energy gets "polluted" and can not be changed into it's CORRECT higher refined essence.  Meat just increases body identification and therefore fear based responses.  Use your body, don't let it rule you.  You take good care of it and your vehicle will take you anywhere you want to go.......

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8614318 - 07/09/08 06:57 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I think what that picture shows is actually 100 times more humane then what most factory farms are, literally a lot of animals can barely turn around.


Also a lot of vegans think that humans should not eat animals at all, that we were not designed to, which is bullshit, because chimpanzees do, and they are closest to us. They always come up with some bullshit irrational arguements.

The guy I was talking to said ethically speaking, its ok to eat animals, but the treatment of them anymore is appaling, and also that it makes for less quality meat when you treat them poorly.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Chemy]
    #8614349 - 07/09/08 07:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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The etymological latin roots of the word govern-ment means literally: control of the mind.




or maybe it's actually:

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Etymology

From Latinised Greek gubernatio "management, government", from Ancient Greek κυβερνισμός, κυβέρνησις (kybernismos, kybernesis) "steering, pilotage, guiding", from κυβερνάω (kybernao) "to steer, to drive, to guide, to act as a pilot" + -ment.




Yeah.


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Tell me, if you could have a meaningful conversation with, say, "Betsy the cow", could you still kill her???????




Can, have, and will continue to thank and speak to what i kill or pull from the ground.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #8614387 - 07/09/08 07:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I would state that the meat eating was a temporary necessity during our ridiculously fast evolution.  This is much akin to the lower back problems we are prone to given that we learned how to stand erect so quickly.  I think in the next stage of our evolutionary process we will become, as a species, telepathic.  All of this discussion will be moot because people won't be able to kill the animals they can so freely converse with.  We will as a species communicate with the Earth directly and will immediately stop abusing her.  This world will be transformed into a magnificent, psychedelic garden.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #8614398 - 07/09/08 07:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I think what that picture shows is actually 100 times more humane then what most factory farms are, literally a lot of animals can barely turn around.




people that talk about factory farms generally have never left
the city much less been on a farm, they're the same people that
believe peta is helping animals as opposed to bilking others out
of millions for celebrity endorsements, I like in a place with
these factory farms and as of yet, I've never seen the treatment
people are talking about aside from pigs and poultry


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The guy I was talking to said ethically speaking, its ok to eat animals, but the treatment of them anymore is appaling, and also that it makes for less quality meat when you treat them poorly.




what constitutes poor treatment? starvation?

cattle are pastured because in over crowded conditions diseases
run rampant, they could lose the entire herd in less than a week
not to mention they'd have to feed grains continually, an
average of 20lbs per day, at $4/day how much do you think the
beef would cost at the store, that's $1400 per head just for
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Crasher]
    #8614406 - 07/09/08 07:16 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

dude mente, mentis latin for "the mind".  The best place to hide anything is in plane view.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8614449 - 07/09/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

sorry plain I'm still cracked from the deamsters

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8614454 - 07/09/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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You're not patrick swayze, and this isnt donnie darko.

Edit: Im gonna start using cake in the rain as an analogy for a bad time, that was awesome.




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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Gainer]
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8614482 - 07/09/08 07:30 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Still, those last few months of only grain plus the grain being available before that makes a WORLD of difference nutritionally.




really? between it and aging it can improve the flavor of beef, it
certainly fattens them up for more sale weight




Yes, it fattens them up more quickly for sale weight.
However, grain feeding greatly distorts omega-3:omega-6 ratios of the beef, which is of great concern healthwise as the optimal omega3:omega6 ratio is somewhere between 1:1 and 1:4. The majority of Americans (so I've read) have a ratio of 1:25 or worse. This is because of grain-feeding animals as well as the prominent use of vegetable oils and eating grains (corn is the worst).
Grass-fed beef has an optimal ratio of fatty acids, as well as substantially more vitamin A, vitamin E, and CLA than beef that's been fed grain.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8614484 - 07/09/08 07:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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mens mentis :  mind, thought, intention, intellect.




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-Ment
Etymology

From Late Latin -mentum




Mentum= formed by men.
http://books.google.com/books?id=tKApEXAfAfoC&pg=PA27&lpg=PA27&dq=mentis+mentum&source=web&ots=qKj-FcyJkA&sig=JzGnZ1FLZFLzyDdc4pf_S-KMY3g&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8614524 - 07/09/08 07:37 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I was just wondering how long til its out.

Back on topic one of my friends went on a expedition I guess is what its called in south america.  He was with a small group of people and a guide.  They learned to live off the land and shit.  I think he said they went about a month without any meat.  Then they bought a lamb from someone and he got to kill it himself by slitting its throat with a knife.  They showed him exactly where to cut it so it died quickly.  He said you couldn't believe how fucking good it tasted after going so long without meat.  I definitely would and have killed and skinned animals for for food.  I guess its a southern thing everyone is big on hunting and stuff down here.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8614582 - 07/09/08 07:49 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

mentis is the genitive of mens = mind.  Latin grammar is strange.  The etymological latin root words of government  is "control of the mind".  Certain things are rewritten at later dates, just like the history books.  The government is "control of the mind", why do you surmise that psychedelics are illegal?  They expand the mind and prevent it's control.
Etymologically speaking, words do change through the development of new languages.  Government is control of the mind.  Control formed by men is not far off the mark.  Mentis as the genitive of mens means "of the mind".  Why do you think the media that is bought and paid for is always waxing poetic about "good governmnet" - good control of the mind.  Nothing is hidden, really.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Boutang]
    #8614590 - 07/09/08 07:50 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

No

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8614594 - 07/09/08 07:51 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I am sure the disease sometimes happens, but its hard to kill a whole herd, a lot of the hormones and crap they give them are to counteract that.

fuck peta. even the vegan guy I had this discussion with said fuck peta, they are just overbearing and ridiculous.

a lot of the factory farming is actually indoors.

what you see here is pretty humane actually, there is a lot worse.

Besides, its kind of dumb anyway, free range meat and allowing the animals to move more contributes to better meat. It is not like the united states doesnt have huge areas to do this in we could feed the world.

what you see up above isnt even close to factory farming, its not even that inhumane, or abnormal, peta might think it is because they are so ridiculous it isnt even funny.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8614690 - 07/09/08 08:10 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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mentis is the genitive of mens = mind.  Latin grammar is strange.  The etymological latin root words of government  is "control of the mind".  Certain things are rewritten at later dates, just like the history books.  The government is "control of the mind", why do you surmise that psychedelics are illegal?  They expand the mind and prevent it's control.
Etymologically speaking, words do change through the development of new languages.  Government is control of the mind.  Control formed by men is not far off the mark.  Mentis as the genitive of mens means "of the mind".  Why do you think the media that is bought and paid for is always waxing poetic about "good governmnet" - good control of the mind.  Nothing is hidden, really.




Repetition does not create truth.

Etymology

kybernao=>gubernatio

Kybernao+ mentum (as a suffix meaning "by mean") = to guide by men.

Not mind control.

It's not even rooted in latin, it's originally greek.

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Control formed by men is not far off the mark.




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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Crasher]
    #8614714 - 07/09/08 08:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Meat is just too damn tasty.  I would have no problem killing an animal, even if I had a conversation with it :lol:  In fact that would make it easier because I could explain why it had to happen.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8614797 - 07/09/08 08:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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The porn and the meat are what satisfy the body.  The body is your vehicle, it takes you anywhere you want to go.  It thusly needs to be maintained properly.  If you engage in the porn, the energy literally flows downward and (sometimes literally) is projected out of the body.  This energy is raw material for alchemical processes the Taoists spoke of.  If you engage in the porno the energy gets "polluted" and can not be changed into it's CORRECT higher refined essence.  Meat just increases body identification and therefore fear based responses.  Use your body, don't let it rule you.  You take good care of it and your vehicle will take you anywhere you want to go.......




I'm already going to hell, so why should I care that my energy is being converted into the incorrect higher refined essence?

Your claims are no different than those of fundamental christens.  Claim to have knowledge about the spiritual and use the FEAR of repercussions (aka 'energy flowing to the wrong place' IMHO Hell is a way more persuasive imaginary consequence) to change peoples actions.

You think I'm treating my body badly and as a result its not taking me everywhere i want to go?  Where exactly am i prohibited?  I'm completely happy spiritually, i have a great family, girlfriend, and social circle.  I've got a great career ahead of me in organic chemistry.  What exactly am I missing? 

You take some 2cb and think your better than everyone else.  I went through about 5 grams of 2cs in highschool (gave lots out to friends)  We had good times too.  I even 'communicated' with trees, rocks, walls, etc.  That doesn't make me better than you or anyone else.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #8614920 - 07/09/08 08:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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fuck peta. even the vegan guy I had this discussion with said fuck peta, they are just overbearing and ridiculous.





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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Druggie04]
    #8614923 - 07/09/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

You guys can come to your own conclusions about "government".  Our language is closer to latin than greek.  In terms of the vehicle business, I wasn't talking about geography.  What makes you think you're "going to hell" so to speak????  You certainly understand chemistry so it's not reaching to say that you can use "energetic stuff" in the body to produce something that is completely different from the materials it came from.  If you don't want to do any "internal chemistry" with your energies that's your decision.  It's just more interesting when the driver is in control of the vehicle (my opinion).  Porn and other garbage makes people more easily controllable.  You guys seriously don't think government is all about control of the mind?  Just read all the latin on a dollar bill.  Nothing is hidden.  I'm not really sure what twisted y'alls shorts.  In all honesty, your anger is misdirected.  The government operates with the same stratey Julius Caesar used; "Divide et impera" - Divide and rule.  I'm not the one who is robbing and deceiving you.  It's the government.
Be angry at them.  I love you guys.  It was fun talking to you.  I need to figure out what I screwed up Druggie04.  I wish I actually had some help because I don't have your background.  In terms of any "knowledge" and such, I don't claim it as my own.  The drugs just kindly shared it with me cuz I dose heroically.  Back to work, wish me luck.

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You guys can come to your own conclusions about "government".  Our language is closer to latin than greek.  In terms of the vehicle business, I wasn't talking about geography.  What makes you think you're "going to hell" so to speak????  You certainly understand chemistry so it's not reaching to say that you can use "energetic stuff" in the body to produce something that is completely different from the materials it came from.  If you don't want to do any "internal chemistry" with your energies that's your decision.  It's just more interesting when the driver is in control of the vehicle (my opinion).  Porn and other garbage makes people more easily controllable.  You guys seriously don't think government is all about control of the mind?  Just read all the latin on a dollar bill.  Nothing is hidden.  I'm not really sure what twisted y'alls shorts.  In all honesty, your anger is misdirected.  The government operates with the same stratey Julius Caesar used; "Divide et impera" - Divide and rule.  I'm not the one who is robbing and deceiving you.  It's the government.
Be angry at them.  I love you guys.  It was fun talking to you.  I need to figure out what I screwed up Druggie04.  I wish I actually had some help because I don't have your background.  In terms of any "knowledge" and such, I don't claim it as my own.  The drugs just kindly shared it with me cuz I dose heroically.  Back to work, wish me luck.




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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8614966 - 07/09/08 09:10 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I just fail to see what the government and mind control have to do with eating meat.  Meat taste good so therefore I will eat it.  Body mind blah blah whatever you have to get your protein from somewhere I just choose to kill animals in order to do that and will continue to do that get over it.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8614968 - 07/09/08 09:11 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Exactly which part of the "latin on a dollar bill" are you refering to.




Novus Ordo Seclorum.

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Annuit Cœptis.

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    #8615004 - 07/09/08 09:18 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Exactly, its a reference to virgil, and the eclogues. Its completely in context, and has nothing to do with mind control or any other nonsense.

This is also from the eclogues, and is my favorite quote. Nobody writes like that anymore.
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8615024 - 07/09/08 09:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I'm going to hell because i have sinned and will not repent.  Just like my energy is all wrong because i enjoy porn.

You screwed up by trying to tell people that their decisions will have spiritual repercussions.  In a forum with as much spiritual diversity as the shroomery you will get absolutely no where by trying to persuade people to act like you because you somehow got it all figured out.  Think whatever you want, but don't try to tell me that my beliefs are wrong.

LOL, yeah, I thought high dosing psychedelics would help me figure stuff out for a while as well.  I'd even wager i was more heroic than you back in my day.  Ever tried 80mg 2CE in an intramuscular injection?  How about 400mg of 5-meo-DIPT orally.  Those are the highlights, but I did it all in unreasonable quantities from LSD to n-n-DMT to mescaline to mushrooms to 20+ psychedelic RCs.  In the end I decided that real life experiences are better teachers in general.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
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You guys can come to your own conclusions about "government". Our language is closer to latin than greek.




Translation: Oh Shit, I just got pwned, abandon ship.

Our language is a global slut. The roots of "government" are greek, period. The meaning is simple. You're arguing from ignorance.

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    #8615063 - 07/09/08 09:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Oh snap!


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8615087 - 07/09/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

gubernatio = direction
mens, mentis = mind, of the mind

Some latin translation are therefore; "direction of the mind".  American government and "legalese" use an aweful lot of latin.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8615126 - 07/09/08 09:44 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I have screwed up much of a DMT extraction.  I think by basifying way too fast.  I think the PH spikes killed most of the actives (only yielded 2 grams from 6 lbs.) I do have 1000ml of mimosa juice that is still acidified (PH4).  Does Druggie04 think that is a correct assumption (basification from 4 to 13 in a matter of moments).  I am decanting the 1000ml still left (acidified, still) in freezer to make sediment fall out.  Whatcha think Druggie04?  Sorry to ask here but you do have an education in this stuff. Personally, I have found that the meat eating vs. vegetarian stuff pisses people off because it does touch a nerve...  When people get pissed there's usually a reason.  Anyways, I really could use some help with that aforementioned issue.  Please PM me if ya got any ideas.  I always saw the dollar bill stuff to be satanist illuminati garbage.  The date 1776 refers to their "establishment" as a group.  Although they existed and had worldly power way before that....

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8615155 - 07/09/08 09:50 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

july 4th 1776 is when the deceleration of independence was adopted by the continental congress.....you know, the founding of this country. It seems pretty logical to me.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8615196 - 07/09/08 09:59 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Really? How about studying world history and thinking for yourself instead of believing every half cocked illogical theory you come across on youtube. Ill discuss or debate with you on the facts any day, but that was a fucking joke.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8615200 - 07/09/08 09:59 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I have lived in Texas all my life.  Hunting is a very normal thing around here.  I shot my first deer when I was 11.  Took it back to the camp, hung it by its legs, and slit its throat to drain blood.  Then skinned, quartered, and took home.  I only shot 4 or 5 deer in my hunting career, I'm too much of a softy now, unless it was necessary of course.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8615209 - 07/09/08 10:01 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I couldn't say for sure.  I'm still working on my BS and only have about a third of my required chem classes.  I got my n-n-DMT from a chem supply company, so I have no experience with the extraction teks.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8615243 - 07/09/08 10:09 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

yes and yes.  i dont see the big deal in killing a cow.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8615247 - 07/09/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I have met one of these illuminati.  I know what they are and what their agenda is. JFK was going to get rid of the federal reserve (federal reserve is owned by bankers!) and have us print our own money that doesn't have interest attached to it.  He also was quoted to say something along the lines of "I am going to cut the C.I.A. into a million pieces and scatter them to them wind".  Prescott Bush (granddaddy bush who laundered money for the NAZIS in WWII) was close by when JFK was shot.  He was shot because he was going to out the Illuminati.  Do you have any respect for that man.  You can ridicule me all you want.  I don't know how much I've contributed to this world, but no one ever has the right to disrespect J.F.K. Not even in jest, no one.
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #8615262 - 07/09/08 10:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I am sure the disease sometimes happens, but its hard to kill a whole herd, a lot of the hormones and crap they give them are to counteract that.




ok, so you dose the herd through feeds, bacteria evolve, become
immune to the antibiotics in the medicated feeds, then what...
cattle ranchers and farmers have understood that it's too costly
to buy these feeds and then have sick cattle, they realize you
only treat when there's an epidemic in the herd, if it's a few
head that are ill, you quarantine them and treat only those

you're buying into the bullshit that the meat is murder crowd
have been spewing for years and let me reassure you, with some
diseases the herd would be destroyed or simply lost within a few days

http://cattletoday.info/anthrax.htm




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a lot of the factory farming is actually indoors.




veal, swine and poultry, swine being something to start
occurring in recent years and only with a few large companies
too much hassle and expense for specialty buildings designed to
save labor, too much labor without the buildings, the price of
meats would go through the roof if they were doing things as is
described in these 'factory farm' methods

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http://www.answers.com/topic/livestock
Indoor production systems are generally used only for pigs and poultry, as well as for veal cattle. Indoor animals are generally farmed intensively, as large space requirements would make indoor farming unprofitable and impossible. However, indoor farming systems are controversial due to: the waste they produce, odour problems, the potential for groundwater contamination and animal welfare concerns. (For further discussion on intensively farmed livestock, see factory farming, and intensive pig farming).





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what you see up above isnt even close to factory farming




please, show me the factory farm, especially the indoor cattle
farms, not hust herd in a run-in shelter or in a barn for
milking, or quarantine...  hook me up with the links

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8615270 - 07/09/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I met an Illuminati in a parking lot at night.

He was wearing a trenchcoat and smoking a cigarrette. He told me the truth is out there.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Druggie04]
    #8615280 - 07/09/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for replying Druggie04.  Extraction kitchen style are ghetto fabulous. I am going to basify very slowly.  PH meter is not calibrated (and I'm out of the PH check fluid stuff).  I am going to have to go by color.  I've never had stuff clean enough to inject.  Sounds like "fun".  I have combined nootropics+MAOI+psychedelics.  Read up on interactions though; as many nootropics are amphetamine like (and potentiated by MAOI!) I dosed ridiculous and had an extremely difficult experience.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Chemy]
    #8615281 - 07/09/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

This post kind of reminds me of this
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8615301 - 07/09/08 10:21 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I have met one of these illuminati.





what's the point in a secret society if everyone knows who they are?

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8615328 - 07/09/08 10:30 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Ok where to start....

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I have met one of these illuminati.  I know what they are and what their agenda is.





Ok if you say so, I know for a fact that there are certain groups of people around the world many of them families that have long term goals so I'm not going to argue that point with you. I do think your understanding is way off base though.

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JFK was going to get rid of the federal reserve (federal reserve is owned by bankers!) and have us print our own money that doesn't have interest attached to it.  He also was quoted to say something along the lines of "I am going to cut the C.I.A. into a million pieces and scatter them to them wind".





The federal reserve isnt owned by bankers, it is a bank. And what does any of that have to do with worshiping satan? People are greedy, violent animals, and they do horrible things, no elaborate satanic conspiracy needed.


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Prescott Bush (granddaddy bush who laundered money for the NAZIS in WWII) was close by when JFK was shot.




He didnt launder money for the nazis, why on earth would a self contained country, that was a super power greater than the US at the time need to launder money? He was involved before and during the war just like many other american business men with various investment opportunity's. Again humans are greedy, no satanic conspiracy needed. I can tell you a whole lot about exactly how Prescott Bush was involved overseas before and after WWII, because I'm interested in history, and I like to draw my own conclusions....can you? So far it seems like you have absolutely nothing to back any of this up, stop getting your beliefs from other people, THINK FOR YOURSELF!


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He was shot because he was going to out the Illuminati.  Do you have any respect for that man.  You can ridicule me all you want.  I don't know how much I've contributed to this world, but no one ever has the right to disrespect J.F.K. Not even in jest, no one.




Actually this is america, and thats exactly what we have the right to do.

Oh and what exactly is it that JFK did again to be held in such high esteem? Do you even know or is it just what everyone expects you to believe?

How about some real sources? Youtube is for music videos, and ridiculous dancing.





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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: fapjack]
    #8615331 - 07/09/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Seriously though,

I am going back to work.  I need to stop jacking this thread.  Americans have grown complacent, fat and lazy (cow like, perhaps?).  JFK got his head blown off and people have turned into ostriches.  If you have a shred of respect for that man listen to his speeches.  He was shot because he was trying to wake America up to what was going down.  Many of you think this is crazy.  The media has sociologically conditioned you to believe that this is crazy.  Who would you believe; the word of a man who said these things knowing it would get him killed, or the government and media that lies to you constantly.
I feel very strongly about JFK.  Most people do not know him.  RESPECT.  The man laid down his life for you, willingly and intentionally, to give you the truth.  Oh yeah, that's right I forgot, people have been conditioned to make light of  these things.  This truly saddens me.
R.I.P. J.F.K. maybe you guys are just too young???  Well, just listen to the man.
There is no greater love than when a man lays down his life for his friends.
RESPECT. What part of that do you not understand.
You guys are just too young.
I understand.
Goodnight guys.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8615371 - 07/09/08 10:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

And once again you have provided nothing. :shrug: have a good night.

Back on topic, anyone ever tried camel? I had a chance to a few years ago, and I have to say it wasnt to bad. It was a bit tough but still not bad.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8615396 - 07/09/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

JFK gave me a hat, I like him well enough.

You're still ignoring the blatantly obvious. Mentis is not a suffix, nor is it a form that later became adopted as "ment"

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Crasher]
    #8615426 - 07/09/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)



look at all the illuminati, evidently, they love longhorns football...

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8615450 - 07/09/08 10:55 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

nope

i dont mind paying others to do the work and take the risks id rather not take

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: fapjack]
    #8615548 - 07/09/08 11:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8615583 - 07/09/08 11:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Everyone who eats any kind of meat IMO should at some point in there life have to personally kill something, there is no other way to possibly understand what you're doing when you bite into that juicy steak.




YES! This should be legally implemented. The number of meat eaters I know who would cry if they set foot in a slaughter house is ridiculous. People should accept how their food is produced.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: EllisDSox]
    #8615628 - 07/09/08 11:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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    #8615631 - 07/09/08 11:42 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i probably could.  it would be a good deal.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Boutang]
    #8615979 - 07/10/08 01:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

yes, but i don't really like the taste of cow.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8616163 - 07/10/08 04:43 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, and yes.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Chemy]
    #8616190 - 07/10/08 05:09 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I know plants are sentient.  I have talked to trees while tripping on 2CB.  I know a very particular tree in the back yard.  I told him that I was very impressed with with his eloquent (but extremely slow with extensive pauses) speech and told him I want to be his student.  He told me he can teach me how to grow deep roots.  I call him William Shatner, (sp?) for obvious reasons....  The etymological latin roots of the word govern-ment means literally: control of the mind.  Their food pyramid scheme is illuminati propaganda.  It is a sick joke, much like nailing a carpenter's son to a tree. ILLUMINATI must behave themselves or they will face physical & metaphysical annihilation.  God has sicced a few million angry chinese gangsters, 100 thousand chinese assasins, and 3000 antsy ninjas on them if they do not comply.  Check out Robert Fulford.......Tell me, if you could have a meaningful conversation with, say, "Betsy the cow", could you still kill her???????



You can't be serious I hope?




Betsie, my friend, you are old. I love you, I love the companionship and milk you have given me (although I don't drink the stuff). But I am hungry now, feed me, join me, become one with me.

Betsie:Moooo.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8616230 - 07/10/08 05:44 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i just quit my job as a butcher.... i'll cut down the whole fackin' herd!! 

I :heart: beef.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: PDU]
    #8617029 - 07/10/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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(and no, i have never slid a knife into the gut of a steaming hot, freshly killed animal, emptied its guts, quartered it, and carried it out of the bush..) - i think if you cannot do this, you do not deserve to eat meat.





hehehehe:lol:

i have a time or two. here in Hawaii they kill the feral pigs with knives. so im waiting to see one!!!

not only is that providing meat for food, but helping save a delicate ecosystem.

and i also agree that animals raised for food, slaughtering them is kinda like their "destiny" or whatver you want to call it.

they are livestock. bred and raised for human consumption.

and like prisoner said. if i had to, id easily kill a cow with my bare hands if it meant survival.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: fapjack]
    #8617110 - 07/10/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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You should just thank god our ancestors weren't as big of a pussy as you are.




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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8617121 - 07/10/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I think the issue really is how desensitized to violence we are as a species.  Many Vietnamese think nothing about eating Fido.  This is shocking to the American conscience.  Hindu people are horrified at the thought of people eating cows.  Many shaman down in South America are vegetalistas. They do not eat animals because it interferes with their journeys (and their consciousness). The eating of meat was absolutely necessary before we reached this evolutionary stage.  It is becoming less necessary.  Children still need it to fully develop their brains, kick start endogenous creatine production, have correct dopamine and seratonin levels, proper reproductive function, blood hemoglobin etc. etc..  Any screams about my stating things contrary to your beliefs are much like religious fundamentalists getting twisted about science.  You guys are angry about vegetarians because it touches a nerve.  People get pissed off when their rigidly held world views are challenged.  It is about not interfering with sentient creatures that aren't as evolved as us.  "Aliens" give us that courtesy.  They don't mess with you if you don't want to deal with them.  We could learn to have the same courtesy with less evolved species.  All I am stating is that the human race needs to evolve out of it's psychopathic tendencies toward other life forms.  It has been a long, hard road for humanity.  We need to overcome OBJECTIFICATION and lack of SENSITIVITY toward all sentient beings.  Really, where do you want to be tomorrow.  Killing other creatures is objectification.  Pornography is objectification.  Wanting to bomb people you don't even know in foreign countries is objectification.  Total objectification is the mentality of SERIAL KILLERS.  They don't see anything (or feel anything, completely desensitized) wrong with murdering people.  They enjoy it.......  Ridicule is childish.  I welcome intelligent replies to this thesis.  I care enough not to mind ridicule.  I like to think I don't take myself too seriously enough to mind nastiness. Truth is first ridiculed, then it is violently opposed, and finally it is accepted.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8617136 - 07/10/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I think the issue really is how desensitized to violence we are as a species.




i call this phenomenon "the pussification of modern society."  our hypothetical balls are reversing into our stomachs.  we forget we're animals who have instincts to eat and kill.  let some lamer back your kid into a corner and see if your first instinct isn't to hurt said lamer very, very bad.  that said let me go hungry and put a cow in front of me.  i'll kill that fucker with my hard dick

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8617164 - 07/10/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Killing other creatures is objectification.  Pornography is objectification.  Wanting to bomb people you don't even know in foreign countries is objectification.  Total objectification is the mentality of SERIAL KILLERS.




Killing a sentient being is only objectification if the person doing it allows it to be so. You're making a generalization of the species at large, and unless you're god, you can't even explain the scope and drive of our species accurately.

Porn is another matter where objectification is in the eye of the beholder.

Killing someone else in combat is not objectification. I seriously doubt you have any idea what that's like. It's another generalization you feel is appropriate with a narrow understanding of the human condition.

Aliens don't fuck with us because they aren't there. If you disagree, bring me something from the DMT-verse to prove it.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: zSDMF]
    #8617180 - 07/10/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Self defense is always authorized.  I am generally peaceable.  I also shot expert with a rifle.  I can throw down whenever I need to.  The difference is to fight with a smile on your face instead of a grimace.  If someone invaded this home I would compassionately dislocate their neck and cry for hours about it later.  I feel the emotional consequences of my actions.  That is the difference between a warrior and a soul-less killer.  I can feel that's also why I can relate to the opposite sex.  There is nothing manly about not having feelings. 

P.S.  Comments with the mentality of George W. give mushroom eaters a bad name.  If we were all more articulate psychedelics would be legal!  Don't sell yourself into society's stereotype of the drug user!

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8617206 - 07/10/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Crasher]
    #8617251 - 07/10/08 12:16 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

My friend went through a withdrawal after he went vegetarian.  Pornography to me is about body identification.  After I became vegetarian I developed more control over my emotions and sexuality.  I can only
speak of my experiences(and those of a close friend).  I found I did not have the "rubbernecking syndrome" that I used to have with every female jogger or skirt that is in the geographical area.  Sex got better because my body did what I told it to.  I could feel more love for my lady because it wasn't just about satisfying biological urges.  I don't identify with my body anymore.  I can fight better because I am not as physically and psychologically tense (not as much fear in the body).
Proof of Aliens you ask? My friend will take over now...

Here I'm takin over
U.N Reports state more than  150,000,000 Sightings with well over 20,000 Documented Landings
Further Proof
Vice Premier of Canada and Former Secretary of Defense of Canada Paul Hellyer http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4115985930885192439&q=Paul+Hellyer&ei=MFB2SM6QBaj2rAKxzf1p&hl=en

Former Chief of Staff to the Clinton Administration John Podesta http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6855880179987935617&q=Chief+of+Staff+Aliens&ei=nFB2SJf5NIKwrAKTxfmZBw&hl=en

Disclosure Project Headed by Dr. Greer who has Numerous(Hundreds) F.A.A, C.I.A, N.S.A, etc etc Whistle Blowers with hard Physical Evidence including even the Radar Tapes http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6855880179987935617&q=Chief+of+Staff+Aliens&ei=nFB2SJf5NIKwrAKTxfmZBw&hl=en

I can keep going for hours if you Like? Check out Nick Pope lately? uggh If this can't get you to come to the correct reasoning then you are without Reason.
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8617293 - 07/10/08 12:25 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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My friend went through a withdrawal after he went vegetarian.  Pornography to me is about body identification. 



Why do you keep talking about pornography?


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8617311 - 07/10/08 12:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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If this can't get you to come to the correct reasoning then you are without Reason.




Translation: If you don't believe what I do, you're incapable of reason.

You didn't address anything I said. When I refute your argument, you jump to another subject.

Reports of sightings and landings do not provide context to characterize aliens. Abduction accounts, if valid, generally show a very different nature to aliens.

I grew up immersed in Alien stories. My mom purports to be a multiple occasion abductee. My parents made every attempt to make me believe in the Ashtar Command and the fact that Jesus was an alien. Don't for a second dismiss me as someone who doesn't know EXACTLY what agenda you're trying to push.

On another note, your comment regarding rifle qualification is funny. Do you honestly think being able to shoot paper means you can defend yourself? Perhaps you should read "On Killing." It's required reading in many military/LEO communities.

Most people aren't desensitized, they abhor violence. The majority of armed citizens will freeze when they should be fighting.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8617344 - 07/10/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I was in the infantry my friend.  Working with M4s, 249 S.A.W.s, handguns, M240Bravos, and a sniper rifle made me think about how ugly violence is.  That was what probably influenced me the most to be vegetarian after getting out. If we are truly not desensitized to violence why is this world still full of bloody conflict.  Crasher, you probably didn't look at much of that footage.  These are high level military and intelligence peeps.  I respect their integrity Do you?  If you watched all that and don't think that aliens are real you could consider tuning into Fox News and drink some heavily fluoridated water...  No disrespect, my friend if you can disregard your childhood momentarily and look at this proof let's put aside our mutually petty emotionalisms and have an intelligent discussion.  Now, do you have better evidence that they are not here???

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    #8617388 - 07/10/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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If you watched all that and don't think that aliens are real you could consider tuning into Fox News and drink some heavily fluoridated water...




Did I say they weren't here? No. I questioned the validity of drug-induced aliens, and I said sightings do not characterize extraterrestrials. See:

Reports of sightings and landings do not provide context to characterize aliens. Abduction accounts, if valid, generally show a very different nature to aliens.

Trying to advance an agenda based on the loving characteristics of aliens without providing anything but landings is wrong.

You're right, I didn't watch footage. When the bulk of an argument comes from a youtube or google video site, I assume the viewer was incapable of providing a foundation for their argument, and let someone else do the thinking for them.

I'll start watching now.

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If we are truly not desensitized to violence why is this world still full of bloody conflict.




Because we're human, and war is a manifestation of the human condition. Everything I've read about extraterrestrials alludes to inter-galactic war as well.

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I was in the infantry my friend.  Working with M4s, 249 S.A.W.s, handguns, M240Bravos, and a sniper rifle made me think about how ugly violence is.




The fact that you didn't list any deployments, and mentioned handguns (used perhaps twice on record in OIF and OEF) leads me to believe that you were in the military, but didn't go to war.

Would you describe the Mariana Trench from the shore my friend? I don't think so.

You have yet to address the real issues behind objectification. Namely, that it is entirely subjective and impossible to generalize onto humanity as a whole.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Crasher]
    #8617426 - 07/10/08 01:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

So it bothers me very much that the cow gets violently slaughtered and I feel bad about eaating meat, but it's not very healthy to be a vegatarian and I'm not sure I'd be able to survive without meat.

So now what? Am I wrong because I don't want to think about how the meat gets to the store cuz I can't handle it? Or what? This has actually been a thought that has been bothering me for a long time now but I just can't bring myself to stop eating meat.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8617462 - 07/10/08 01:12 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Now, do you have better evidence that they are not here???




As someone who does believe in extra terrestrials, I have to say that your argument is absurd. No one can ever prove the nonexistence of anything, the burden of proof is on you.

Prove that igneous rocks are not gods from the hell dimension here to steal bits of our soul.

You cant do it.

Even if your logic is perfect, and you are completely correct on some hypothetical situation, this type of debate tactic only takes away from any validity in your argument.


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    #8617463 - 07/10/08 01:12 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Most people are hypocrites and it tends to work for them, too.

:shrug:


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Prove that igneous rocks are not gods from the hell dimension here to steal bits of our soul.




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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8617486 - 07/10/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

This is Mr Al's Friend Again.
Crasher you stated
Reports of sightings and landings do not provide context to characterize aliens. Abduction accounts, if valid, generally show a very different nature to aliens.

You are very correct until the mid 90's Abduction reports seemed to indicate various Violent Species. Reptilians Greys etc etc, who seemed to view humans as cattle.
But in recent times there have been numerous Friendlies who have been reported, So I largely agree with that comment but not in its entirety

That was and is my biggest gripe With the Disclosure Project, In that Dr. Greer seemed to only consider "Positive Abductee Experiences Valid".

I will say I have myself seen Extraterrestrial Craft on 2 occasions(No I wasn't on anything) one experience confirmed by another friend from across the street.

We really have to acknowledge the existence of E.T's at this point. Its Vitally important there is so much hard evidence, and as you said much towards a few species that are for all intensive purposes "Space Nazi's"

I can demonstrate anti-gravity. If I can ever get the funding I bet I can develop a free energy device. much of my schematics are from my experiences with UFO's.

Its only relatively recently that I have even begun to come out(I don't like people looking at me like I have a purple dick growing from my face)

I said "If this can't get you to come to the correct reasoning then you are without Reason."
I am sorryThat was a bit harsh, But Im really sick and tired of the Hard Evidence being ignored largely by the Einsteinian Cult known as "Modern Science"

The universe is Electromagnetic not Gravitational, Speeds faster than light are possible (research quantum tunneling)And life is everywhere. Its not just a possibility its not even probability, it just is.

I mean come on A Trillion Trillion stars just like our own...... Please Please Please..
Personal Opinion, and Theory should not override Observation and Fact.
I am a scientist(not working but still)
The Phenomenon needs to be looked at openly, these beings are displaying so called ZPE Technologies(which in actuality Nikola Tesla discovered 100 years ago pretty simple they just harmonize with what Tesla called Scalar Waves that travel through what he referred to as Aether)

Aether being the medium in which even light needs for travel(Thats right I said it Light is NOT its own Medium)

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Crasher]
    #8617488 - 07/10/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Igneous is from the Latin ignis meaning pertaining to fire....think about it.:strokebeard:


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    #8617514 - 07/10/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you for a more articulated post.

My beliefs towards the alien agenda aside, I'd like to hear how the reporting you've accepted regarding the characteristics of aliens should dictate our ethics.

The initial mentioning of aliens was to condemn the killing of sentient beings by characterizing aliens as benevolent creatures. Obviously, if you adhere to a belief of multiple-race encounters (which you seem to), there are bad guys, and there are good guys.

If I accept the literature I was raised with, the Satonians are responsible for the destruction of Atlantis. It hardly seems that we should base our ethics off of the encounters with Aliens.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8617708 - 07/10/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The Friend Again, Guess I'll call myself Mr.Bill from here on in

I agree fully, We should not base our behavior on Alien Existence, But we should establish ourselves as peacefully as possible so that the Individuals that are for lack of a better term "correct" wish peaceful contact.

Here I define Peace from a quote by someone I forget.
"Peace is not a Lack of Conflict, But The Ability to Handle Conflict Peacefully"

We must establish an embassy.... nah We as a species must acknowledge we are not alone.
One problem I have is largely with alot of UFO Pseudo Hippies who tend to Deify E.T's, While I will agree that many of our Myths/Legends are based upon Alien(and some that according to my research are even terrestrial non-humans) To come down and have an Undeveloped Species Worship you is largely.... Incorrect.

Humans as a Resource.

I would say the idea of Jesus as an ExtraTerrestrial could very well be true he made a few statements concerning "The Seven Sisters"(Pleiades) Being within his hands. "My Kingdom is Not of this World" etc etc.

At the same time the Old Testament is most Obviously based upon the Writings of the Babylonians, which in Turn is based upon the Writings of the Sumerians. Who wrote of the Annunaki, Whom were obviously reffered to as people from other stars (And who were largely what could be called "Evil" the sole exception being Enki as far as I can tell)
They knew of Astronomical Data that was only being discovered in the 1930's and Later (Pluto, Eris(sp?) Though there knowledge of these planets is hotly debated, the only argument posed against it is largely "They Couldn't have Known"
But upon translating a number of the Clay Tablets its obvious they did...

Look at the Mayans as an example they understood Astronomy very well(They even knew that the center of the Galaxy was a GIANT sun, which someday hopefully science will confirm, Black Holes are basically Science Fiction Created to Make mathematical errors seem "Correct" in order to Preserve Einstein.

But simple observation disproves much of Einstein. For example a fun experiment with Gravity we all know that 2 objects when released tend to reach the ground at the same time right.
Well if you take to powerful magnets and bolt them together N/N or S/S and drop it with another object. THEY FALL AT DIFFERENT RATES WOW we have just lessened the effects of gravity(The magnets fall slower than the rock now not by much but it is observable)
We even come to understand that Gravity may not even be an individual Force but a Byproduct of the Multi Million Times Stronger force of Electromagnetism. 

Maybe I will get a camera soon and display some particular anti-gravitational effects.

It makes one come to the conclusion that we are actually very close to Going to other stars..

OH By the way the earth may be round but the sun is flat.. its Electric not Nuclear(Hence why the Center is Cooler than the "Corona" as Proven by Sun Spots being darker) Look at an Incandescent light bulb and realize the only piece that is making light is the Filament and this begins to make sense.

Forgive this Rant if you will as well as soon as i get into talking about this subject I begin also go crazy thinking about how the technology works and how its even related to observations we can find in our own Solar System.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8617805 - 07/10/08 02:47 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

its devolution ppl.

the "ball-less" society we live in...

everything having to be politically correct...

its ALL a way to control the masses more and more.

think about it, any DRASTIC change is going to shake up too many ppl and be rejected. gradual "un" obvious changes will shape an entire nation, race, species...

our right...wtf are those. were born with our real rights as humans. then immediately given rights by humans to govern us. and even THESE rights are getting taken away everyday.

how easy would it be to overthrow the govt.?

but then that would bring war....

so are we stuck?

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: just me]
    #8617828 - 07/10/08 02:55 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The only way to truly take down the government in a way that would be permanent and lasting would inevitably be that all Decide to not acknowledge them,

Violence would merely be a Band-aid to the Symptom,
Any country founded on blood is bound to become that which it destroyed or Worse.

Thats not to say if they put a rifle in your face not to Defend yourself or your loved ones its just that Revolution Fails always, So look to Evolution

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    #8617831 - 07/10/08 02:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I would enjoy it almost as much as field dressing a deer and would love the oppurtunity to learn.  I'm not afraid of a little blood and guts.  :jimcarreysplit:

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    #8617843 - 07/10/08 03:01 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

This thread seemed simple enough.  Would you butcher a cow for it's meat?  But, now It's much too long to dig through and find what the government has to do with butchering cows.  Probes, maybe?

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Cowgold]
    #8617847 - 07/10/08 03:02 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I would enjoy it almost as much as field dressing a deer and would love the oppurtunity to learn.  I'm not afraid of a little blood and guts.  :jimcarreysplit:



A rabbit cleaning is a little blood and guts.

Deer cleaning is a lot of work. And that's after you drag for God knows how far, unless you have an ATV:shrug:


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    #8617894 - 07/10/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I definitely leave a larger carbon footprint than the more traditional hunter.  MERICA!  :meatspace:

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    #8617900 - 07/10/08 03:19 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I definitely leave a larger carbon footprint than the more traditional hunter.  MERICA!  :meatspace:



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    #8617926 - 07/10/08 03:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Trucks are too loud.  ATV and sometimes one of those rangers.  We have a 12 foot fence around the ranch so we can put 'em on a high protein diet and then put those motion detector cameras up.  It's cheating, but who cares... they taste good.  I love deer!

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    #8618205 - 07/10/08 04:37 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

So ur saying I'm a hypocrite??


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8620373 - 07/11/08 02:03 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Violence would merely be a Band-aid to the Symptom,
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8620376 - 07/11/08 02:06 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Any country founded on blood is bound to become that which it destroyed or Worse.

Revolution Fails always, So look to Evolution





EXACTLY to the first part.

and were a little too far to start hoping on our evolutionary skillz to help us.

like i said we've been devolving for a while now. althought all the revolutions have failed thus far, all that means is it wasnt the right time.

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    #8620612 - 07/11/08 06:50 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Any country founded on blood is bound to become that which it destroyed or Worse.

Revolution Fails always, So look to Evolution





EXACTLY to the first part.

and were a little too far to start hoping on our evolutionary skillz to help us.

like i said we've been devolving for a while now. althought all the revolutions have failed thus far, all that means is it wasnt the right time.

..... me too.....:jimcarreysplit:




Were devolving?

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    #8620734 - 07/11/08 08:22 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

our karma must be bad because we eat meat!!

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    #8621786 - 07/11/08 01:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

we're not evolving into more superior beings than we were long ago. we're devolving. becoming dependant everything.

i guess i more so mean it as a spiritual devolution.

we chose a route as humans to reject the spirit. when we couldve evolved with it and been spiritual beings. instead we are fleshly which imo is devolving. which to me is us getting further and further from the race we were meant to be

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Boutang]
    #8621872 - 07/11/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I could, would, and more or less have before, if shooting wild deer, skinning them and eating them counts.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: just me]
    #8621934 - 07/11/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Do you think that it's possible that the body is just a manifestation of spirit.  That the spirit has become so rich that it needed further representation?  what do you think happens to the spirit in death?  What about prior to birth? 

If you're like me... I'll consider anything, but I don't subscribe to one thought.  I'm interested to hear any thoughts other than my own.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: just me]
    #8622010 - 07/11/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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we're not evolving into more superior beings than we were long ago. we're devolving. becoming dependant everything.

i guess i more so mean it as a spiritual devolution.

we chose a route as humans to reject the spirit. when we couldve evolved with it and been spiritual beings. instead we are fleshly which imo is devolving. which to me is us getting further and further from the race we were meant to be

idk


like i said

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Well for one thing, that isnt the meaning of devolving. A true example of devolving is the pinky toe, its no longer necessary but it is continuously passed down, or "devolved" from one generation to the next. When compared over hundreds of years, we find that it is getting smaller and smaller due to the lack of stress we place upon it. However reliable human history doesnt go back very far so how could you possibly evaluate our "spiritual" evolution. From the little that we can infer about humans in the past through their writings, and religious practice it is fairly clear that our limbic system has continued to steadily evolve over the past 5,000 years.

Might it be more likely that your expectations of the "spirituality" of past humans is simply inaccurate. Maybe I'm missing your point though, and I do find the topic interesting, so I'm interested in your perspective.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8622065 - 07/11/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, on both answers. I've seen it done when I was younger, so I'm sure I could do it myself. I can't help it, I'm a meat eater.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8622665 - 07/11/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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just me said:
we're not evolving into more superior beings than we were long ago. we're devolving. becoming dependant everything.

i guess i more so mean it as a spiritual devolution.

we chose a route as humans to reject the spirit. when we couldve evolved with it and been spiritual beings. instead we are fleshly which imo is devolving. which to me is us getting further and further from the race we were meant to be

idk


like i said

:jimcarreysplit:




Well for one thing, that isnt the meaning of devolving. A true example of devolving is the pinky toe, its no longer necessary but it is continuously passed down, or "devolved" from one generation to the next. When compared over hundreds of years, we find that it is getting smaller and smaller due to the lack of stress we place upon it. However reliable human history doesnt go back very far so how could you possibly evaluate our "spiritual" evolution. From the little that we can infer about humans in the past through their writings, and religious practice it is fairly clear that our limbic system has continued to steadily evolve over the past 5,000 years.

Might it be more likely that your expectations of the "spirituality" of past humans is simply inaccurate. Maybe I'm missing your point though, and I do find the topic interesting, so I'm interested in your perspective.




yeah i kinda got confused on this one myself.

ever have that feeling thats hard to put on paper or into words.

i know devolution isnt correct. evolution is science. and science and spirituality kinda bump heads.

i just meant it more along the lines that we are becoming a less superior race.

if you cant look around you and see the world is in big big trouble, then youre blind. i think and i know im gonna get jumped on for this. that science kinda blocks the big picture. you look around and see phenomena happening, and instead of it being signs of the times, its immediately explained by science.

why? so WE can have control over it.

im not sure if im even on the same topic anymore guys, but like i said its one of those things that hard to voice.

but if you know what i mean by watching the world and really seeing outside the box, then i htink you also know what i mean by us devolving.

but just like you both said, to each their own. im in no way tryin to convert anyone to what i see and what i believe, but i certainly dont think its out there just for me to see and think.

anyway

aloha
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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: just me]
    #8622738 - 07/11/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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if you cant look around you and see the world is in big big trouble, then youre blind. i think and i know im gonna get jumped on for this. that science kinda blocks the big picture. you look around and see phenomena happening, and instead of it being signs of the times, its immediately explained by science.




Yeah, we're going totally backward from cave paintings to the internet.

Feudalism to a global economy.

Burning people at the stake for witchcraft to wiccan soldiers getting specialized grave markers at Arlington.

http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
endless processions of empires to recognized individual nations.

We're one step away from climbing back into trees.

Wait.




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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Crasher]
    #8622755 - 07/11/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah humankind is doing great right now assuming that we don't consume ourselves in our own excess.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: g00ru]
    #8622781 - 07/11/08 05:16 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Hey, the human condition never changes, but the way we distract ourselves is always evolving.

I'm going to go watch my 46" LCD and smoke hookah now.

Sweet, sweet consumerist opulence.


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just me said:
we're not evolving into more superior beings than we were long ago. we're devolving. becoming dependant everything.

i guess i more so mean it as a spiritual devolution.

we chose a route as humans to reject the spirit. when we couldve evolved with it and been spiritual beings. instead we are fleshly which imo is devolving. which to me is us getting further and further from the race we were meant to be

idk


like i said

:jimcarreysplit:




Well for one thing, that isnt the meaning of devolving. A true example of devolving is the pinky toe, its no longer necessary but it is continuously passed down, or "devolved" from one generation to the next. When compared over hundreds of years, we find that it is getting smaller and smaller due to the lack of stress we place upon it. However reliable human history doesnt go back very far so how could you possibly evaluate our "spiritual" evolution. From the little that we can infer about humans in the past through their writings, and religious practice it is fairly clear that our limbic system has continued to steadily evolve over the past 5,000 years.

Might it be more likely that your expectations of the "spirituality" of past humans is simply inaccurate. Maybe I'm missing your point though, and I do find the topic interesting, so I'm interested in your perspective.




yeah i kinda got confused on this one myself.

ever have that feeling thats hard to put on paper or into words.

i know devolution isnt correct. evolution is science. and science and spirituality kinda bump heads.

i just meant it more along the lines that we are becoming a less superior race.

if you cant look around you and see the world is in big big trouble, then youre blind. i think and i know im gonna get jumped on for this. that science kinda blocks the big picture. you look around and see phenomena happening, and instead of it being signs of the times, its immediately explained by science.

why? so WE can have control over it.

im not sure if im even on the same topic anymore guys, but like i said its one of those things that hard to voice.

but if you know what i mean by watching the world and really seeing outside the box, then i htink you also know what i mean by us devolving.

but just like you both said, to each their own. im in no way tryin to convert anyone to what i see and what i believe, but i certainly dont think its out there just for me to see and think.

anyway

aloha
peacelove




Maybe it only seems worse, because your getting older, and your perspective is getting broader. It doesnt seem any worse to me because I grew up around violence with a father who viewed the world with, and to some extent instilled in me a "warriors mentality" (his words not mine). I can go back 10 years, and show you a world with more violence, and more misery. We are making great strides forward IMO, sure this world isnt perfect but that only means we still have work to do. People are greedy, violent, stupid bastards most of the time, and even more so in groups but that isnt anything new its just who we are. Its how the rest of the animal kingdom is as well we only have a broader impact on our environment. There are plenty of opportunity's to get out and make a difference in the world, but complaining rarely helps anything sometimes the best way to make the world a better place involves violence. That may seem non sequitur, and sure it would be great if everyone would instantly and unanimously change on a personal level, but it just isnt going to happen. Sometimes you have to get your hands dirty if you want to make a difference, and trust me no one loves piece more than someone well acquainted with violence.

You wanna fix the world, first fix yourself, then get out and do something. Stand behind or for that matter in front of something you believe in.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: g00ru]
    #8623033 - 07/11/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah humankind is doing great right now assuming that we don't consume ourselves in our own excess.




Thats probably the best point made yet.....I guess only time will tell.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8627949 - 07/13/08 01:51 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8628132 - 07/13/08 03:56 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I am what one calls a hypocrite.
It is really disgusting.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: figmentfragment]
    #8628150 - 07/13/08 04:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I worked in a slaughter house for a year and a half. It was a good experience for me. I learned how to use a hammer.  :calledajoke:

If god didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
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we are also meat.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: figmentfragment]
    #8628157 - 07/13/08 04:19 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yes we are, but we are omnivorous, like pigs and bears. Hey wait,  HUMANS, THE OTHER WHITE MEAT.  You're funny.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8628185 - 07/13/08 04:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Chewing on flesh makes me feel uncomfortable. I find it rather arrogant that we feel we have the right to kill other animals and eat them for our own needs.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: skin_]
    #8628211 - 07/13/08 04:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Chewing on flesh makes me feel uncomfortable. I find it rather arrogant that we feel we have the right to kill other animals and eat them for our own needs.



why not, animals wont hesitate to kill you if you and eat you if you meet their needs.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: doitagain]
    #8628214 - 07/13/08 05:02 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

We are supposed to be smarter than them and think with our brains not our gut.

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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Galvie_Flu]
    #8628230 - 07/13/08 05:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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We are supposed to be smarter than them and think with our brains not our gut.




You assume it is the more intelligent choice.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Asante]
    #8628522 - 07/13/08 08:29 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

A whole cows worth of meat and all I have to do is kill it and clean it?  Fuck yeah, sign me up!  Think of all the steaks! Burgers! Roasts, pot roasts, standing rib roasts, fajitas.  Tenderloin...  mmm
Prime rib, porterhouses, T-bones, ribeyes, sirloins....

Not to mention a new belt, wallet, and shoes.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Galvie_Flu]
    #8628580 - 07/13/08 09:01 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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We are supposed to be smarter than them and think with our brains not our gut.




What does that have to do with anything we are still animals by nature.  I wouldn't care if I was the smartest person to ever walk the earth I would still want to eat a big fat juicy steak.  Cook so its just barely done you know when you bite into it and blood drips down your chin mmmm... I'm getting hungry.  Trips me out how so many vegans feel they need to jump in a meat eaters thread and try sway people's opinion.  It's a waste of time I'm pretty sure everyone here is still going to eat meat no matter what anyone says.


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Re: A question for the meat eaters [Re: Gainer]
    #8628893 - 07/13/08 10:49 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I am not an animal.  I am the consciousness that resides within and animates this physical vessel.  As I have said before, it is a question of what you identify as being yourself.  I have observed that noshing on flesh makes people think that they are flesh.

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