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Rose
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Re: The Unchaning Self [Re: Chronic7]
#8604611 - 07/07/08 03:44 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bye...
So no church next week, then?
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Chronic7
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Re: The Unchaning Self [Re: Veritas]
#8604663 - 07/07/08 03:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas said: Preach 1. To deliver a sermon. 2. To give religious or moral instruction, especially in a tedious manner.
Sermon 1. A religious discourse delivered as part of a church service. 2. An often lengthy and tedious speech of reproof or exhortation.
'Nuff said.
Good old enlgish dictionary, always there isn't it, to tell us what we really mean!
I didnt give a sermon or religious instruction (you may take it as tedious, thats personal preference)
I mean you lot know what i talk about why not just ignore the thread? Oh i forgot! You actually enjoy this! I thought philosophy was the search for veritas? How wrong i was, i'm sure your dictionary can correct me?
Instead of commenting on the actual subject of the thread & what it points to we get into discussions about how its worded!
Its all fun, egos saying they're better than other egos, other egos calling other egos big egos. I suppose the point of discussion IS ego.
"my POV is better than yours"
I guess we can find solace in the fact that all of our POV's will be gone one day, and they don't actually count for anything when seen in the bigger picture, does the universe actually care what we think about it?
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Re: The Unchaning Self [Re: Chronic7]
#8604689 - 07/07/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said:
Im bored of this now c u all in a few weeks!
Hmmmm...
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Chronic7
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Re: The Unchaning Self [Re: Rose]
#8604695 - 07/07/08 04:07 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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LOL you really want me to fuck off dont you?
Ive said similar things in the past but i always return, its trying to speak about the unspeakable subjective reality, then people who are so taken in by the objective reality go all oxford old on me so i get fed up & leave for a bit
Ill be back (in this forum/P&S) soon, just not for a while
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Re: The Unchaning Self [Re: Chronic7]
#8604706 - 07/07/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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he wants to get in yo head
make you lose the cool
nothing beats these sweet moments of tension
if you take the role of a guru... know that there will be those who wish to dethrone you
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Rose
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Re: The Unchaning Self [Re: Chronic7]
#8604707 - 07/07/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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No.
It is slow in here today.
I'm glad you're still around.
I was just doing what I like to do in here. I took what you said and showed you why it wasn't true.
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Re: The Unchaning Self [Re: Boots]
#8604708 - 07/07/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Boots said: It's just a way to stay grounded. The word doesn't mean all that much. I believe there was a thread here awhile ago that talked about an ever-changing identity and how we are not the same, day-to-day, because we are always taking in new information that essentially changes us completely.
i think i would agree with this thought
and i really liked this article..
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Rose
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Re: The Unchaning Self [Re: Chronic7]
#8604728 - 07/07/08 04:17 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: Ive said similar things in the past but i always return, its trying to speak about the unspeakable subjective reality, then people who are so taken in by the objective reality go all oxford old on me so i get fed up & leave for a bit
How unlike the Buddha...
Sigh...
You have pretty thoughts... but just 'cause they look good and smell nice doesn't make 'em true.
You say you are speaking the unspeakable.
Bullshit.
Many before you have spoken more clearly than you have on the subject of Zen.
Saying you can't speak about it is a cop out.
You obviously can speak about it.
Now practice speaking clearly.
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Re: The Unchanging Self [Re: Icelander]
#8604824 - 07/07/08 04:44 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Haven't we been over all this? I'm not going to repeat this endlessly.
Then why did you reply to me on this specific topic....? I don't agree with your opinion....
You WILL repeat it endlessly, until a day comes that you change your opinion about it.... Your repetition is why I asked you....
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Re: The Unchaning Self [Re: Rose]
#8604854 - 07/07/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have never even read about Zen? I know buddhism but not Zen particularly. I never said im speaking the unspeakable, i said im trying to, which is impossible. Ask any being who has even glimpsed absolute truth for a second and ask them if ANY word can describe that place. It is utterly impossible.
Words like nirvana, tao, brahman, unmanifest & emptiness have been used, lao tzu said
"the tao that can be speaked, is not the eternal tao"
Its is wordless timeless & impossible to conceptualize.
Ive spoken onit as clearly as i can at this moment in time, im sorry it doesnt meet your standards Words can only come from that & point the mind back to that. But ultimately all thought must be left behind as thoughts are objects which cant capture pure subjectivity. I DO like trying though & some evidently find this annoying.
Of course many more have spoken more clearly than me, awakening has only been present here for the last few months. I don't think i should have to feel bad for trying to express, so i wont It feels natural for me to say what i say so let it be said right? Vice versa.
I just sometimes get the impression some people here would rather everyone who doesn't hold belief in the logic of the "rational" mind to piss off and leave this place full of cynical scientific doubters, instead of what id consider to be real thinkers, those who go beyond mind, those who use thinking to go beyond general human thinking.
Like someone great said
"evolve or die"
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Rose
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Re: The Unchaning Self [Re: Chronic7]
#8605007 - 07/07/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: Ask any being who has even glimpsed absolute truth for a second and ask them if ANY word can describe that place. It is utterly impossible.
Bullshit. Again... this is a mushroom board... many of us have had similar experiences. We talk about them all the time.
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Words like nirvana, tao, brahman, unmanifest & emptiness have been used, lao tzu said
"the tao that can be speaked, is not the eternal tao"
No shit.
That is like saying a picture of a naked woman is not a real naked woman.
Sometimes people overthink this stuff.
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Re: The Unchaning Self [Re: Rose]
#8605028 - 07/07/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
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Chronic777 said: Ask any being who has even glimpsed absolute truth for a second and ask them if ANY word can describe that place. It is utterly impossible.
Bullshit. Again... this is a mushroom board... many of us have had similar experiences. We talk about them all the time.
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Words like nirvana, tao, brahman, unmanifest & emptiness have been used, lao tzu said
"the tao that can be speaked, is not the eternal tao"
No shit.
That is like saying a picture of a naked woman is not a real naked woman.
Sometimes people overthink this stuff.
Chronic: One ego to another... Recognize. Please.
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Re: The Unchaning Self [Re: Chronic7]
#8605773 - 07/07/08 08:26 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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if theres one thing i love talking about its truth
"you can't handle the truth"
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Re: The Unchaning Self [Re: Chronic7]
#8607024 - 07/08/08 04:12 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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when it gets personal let it roll away
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