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4th Conscious
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Wrote this about an hour ago (at 7 PM). I ate two Leary crackers at 2:30 PM, then smoked a medium-sized bowl at 5. It was a nice, creative high, a blend between the agitated body high and the flowing thoughts of the mindbake. It may make no sense now, may be downright wrong, but it seems pretty good to me (but I'm still high lol).



There are, according to modern psychology, three consciouses: Id, ego, and super-ego. And I don't know anything about them to be honest. But I have developed an idea for a fourth, and if you STEAL MY IDEA I FUCKING KILL YOU. Cause it's my original idea, not something I read on the internet.

The Final Conscious

There is a being that is more eternal than all your other consciouses. The Final Conscious. It is you, refined. The essence of your person, but developed. The best version of yourself, and the most knowledgeable, having reached the conditions for it's own personal nirvana, and can see through the facades of everything, to perceive what it truly is.

Before a person reaches total adult consciousness or even intelligence, there is already this "perfect them", buried beneath so many layers of thought. And when someone does something, and finds that they are unhappy, but cannot put their finger on exactly why... it's because your Final Conscious does not think whatever you're doing is getting you any closer to your perfection. It's beyond your super-ego, which worries about morals and goals- it's the WHY behind the super-ego.

Because, see, the Final Conscious wants you to become it. When you become your final conscious, when you see and hear and think about the world around you with your Final Conscious, you are the perfect you. The perfect you may not be rich, in fact the perfect you can be a bum. The perfect you is the you that is most content with your life and happy with it. They key ingredients for growth have been met, and you developed exactly the way you needed to to enjoy life at the max.

Your Final Conscious goes towards life with a plan, a very specific goal. A quest- to become itself, to reach it's full potential. But as SOON as it launches the mission, it's like forgets about it's old self (this is your ego being born, I think), and it does not know it's on a mission. It only can feel the very faintest impulses, like from an ancient memory, that gauges it's life on a completely irrational scale. The wealthy businessmen who hates his life is a perfect example- he has everything he thinks he wants, but he still is unhappy for one reason or another.

So, how to you get your Final Conscious to unite with your ego?

I don't have a fuckin' clue.

How did I reach this idea? Well, A) I was high. B) Was talking about a certain psychedelic to a friend. Basically, this substance is one that makes you so trippy, you forget you're tripping. You have no idea drugs are involved. Many users report feeling only the faintest connection to "reality", their life before the trip started, and feel like life is something of a farce, that the trip is the true reality. It was so commonly reported that I wondered if they weren't reaching some super-high (pardon the pun) level of consciousness. Something that was at once very old and full of wisdom, that knows the day to day life of reality is foolish. No matter what the user wanted to achieve with the use of the drug, no matter what sort of self-exploratory introspective mission he set out on, it's like he forgets what he came for, and has just those few minutes of the trip to figure out what he came for. This is the Final Conscious and the Ego slamming into each other at high speeds. The drug (salvia) dissolves the barrier in less than a minute for most users- full on trip within the first few minutes. What takes lifetime of learning and developing without a mind altering substance to reach, is suddenly reached in a minute simply by dissolving this barrier.

So, the psychedelic experience there is really a loop. Your Final Conscious is shouting at you "WTF ignore the bullshit in this world", and you become aware of truths and realities that did not exist before, while your Ego, the part of you that's going "WTF pink elephants" when you trip, is still very much going by instinct when it comes to this Final Conscious. So when your Ego stands right next to your Final Conscious, chatting face to face (and probably screaming at each other at that), that's where the mind-fuck comes in.

You trip to figure out shit about yourself, but you can't, because before you even were intelligent enough to know, maybe before you born, your final conscious went on a mission: to put all the parts together to reach itself. It's using a blueprint to make itself a reality. And when you, the drug user, go on your own voyage into your mind, you're looking for the blue print! The two are coming at the same problem, but from completely different angles. Forcing them to meet and talk it out can be a frightening, dangerous event, but it can also really tell you more about yourself.

It's not necessary to do it frequently, even- you don't need to go tripping every week to "figure shit out". You just need to make sure that they meet often enough to update each other, to appraise each other of the progress in your journey in life. And you MUST make sure you remember the experience, learn something from it (which can be tough again because you forget your mission as soon as you are on it), and APPLY it to your life. APPLICATION is key. Learning something about yourself but not using it to improve yourself or encourage yourself in the long run makes you just another druggie wasting money.

And this makes me want to try this substance even more, being careful to not let it interfere with life. I want to make a real journey out of it. I'll probably try it in the dark, with a trip sitter or something (maybe Vince and I can trade off sitting each other), and just try and figure out what the next step is.

And of course, there's still the logical, calculating Zach who's very much aware of his desired in life. I think about the next step a lot, even for small things in life. Like, a major step was (with some help from Clooney) realizing how truly happy I was. Like living under a cloud. So what do I do now- I need to stay productive, need to keep moving forward with my education, writing, everything.

It's a big mindfuck, I know, but really just think it over.


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Re: 4th Conscious [Re: WornTraveler]
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For some reason I cant seem to get over the thought that I've heard all
of this before, but as you said Its your idea so I wont steal it.......

OH I KNOW!


























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Re: 4th Conscious [Re: blewmeanie]
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Elaborate.


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Re: 4th Conscious [Re: WornTraveler]
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I prefer to exacerbate.


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Re: 4th Conscious [Re: blewmeanie]
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You say that The Final Conscious is the 'why' to the super-ego. I disagree as your theory implies that all morals and goals are inherent. I believe that society and culture are the 'why' to the super-ego. Anything else in your essay seems to be pure speculation.

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Re: 4th Conscious [Re: WornTraveler]
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Salvia??  Naaaah.:crazy:


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Re: 4th Conscious [Re: Boots]
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Boots said:
You say that The Final Conscious is the 'why' to the super-ego. I disagree as your theory implies that all morals and goals are inherent. I believe that society and culture are the 'why' to the super-ego. Anything else in your essay seems to be pure speculation.



Well, that's a pretty fundamental argument in psychology, but it's a little bit more complicated than black and white, cut and dry. Nature vs. nurture... well, it's a little bit of both.

For instance, there are several cases of identical twins (who are, genetically speaking, clones of each other) who, though separated at birth and placed in different environments, eventually developed similar tastes, morals, values, et. al. Of course, the opposite argument is equally valid: there's no way you can tell me a kid growing up in Sudan is going to have his "nature" come out in him the same way a white American in the suburbs will. At the extremes, nurture becomes clearly dominant. So, there's a lot of middle ground and iffy areas on the subject.

However, the Final Conscious is in my opinion the person you could become if, for you, optimal environmental conditions are met. For instance, for some people, a challenging childhood was what made them successful. Learning to overcome setbacks, fight through adversity, be thankful for what you do have- all of these are valuable lessons that for some people can make them reach a level of fulfillment that otherwise would have been unreachable. But, people are not all cast in the same mold- the fact is, there's enough "Nature" in us, that two people in the same environment with the same "nurture" parameters will still take drastically different paths. For instance, while those people who I mentioned before might become stronger by overcoming a drug addiction, others may simply be incapable of overcoming such a powerful foe- the same thing that may pull one persons Final Conscious up to reality might send another's into the deepest recession, a downward and ultimately fatal spiral.

In the end, the theory is only as right as it is applicable. For me, I feel that it is very applicable. And in the end, everything about psychology is theoretical. The human mind is just so vast and complex, the human experience so multifaceted, that we'll never have all the answers of why things are the way they are. In any case, the only way to get answers is to ask questions, which is what I do. :smile:


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Re: 4th Conscious [Re: WornTraveler]
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Don't worry no one is going to steal that idea.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: 4th Conscious [Re: Icelander]
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Well, I edited out the "high" part, rewrote it a bit, and turned it in for my psych class. They've got this retarded thing, www.turnitin.com, where they check every paper for plagiarism. So, don't want this shit being copied into someone's page or something, could fuck things up.

Plus, this was originally a Facebook note, and I've had people copy and paste those as essays a few times, lol.


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Re: 4th Conscious [Re: WornTraveler]
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I always thought of the 4th state as the consciousness that transcends waking, dreaming & deep sleep, it transcends/is the sum of all three

Its the awareness that is present in each state but we appear not to be conscious of it due to identification with other levels of consciousness & the latent tendencies they bring (mind/thoughts/ego), on psychedelics it seems as if the ego dissolves and the more it is dissolved the more the pristine awareness is revealed


ps you made me wanna try salvia! :cool:


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Re: 4th Conscious [Re: WornTraveler]
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"So, how to you get your Final Conscious to unite with your ego?"
Lead them to have a fruitful moderated trialog by knowing you are both of them. Make friends and help eachother out and along...
They tend to seperate naturally, so they have to be moderated.


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Re: 4th Conscious [Re: BlueCoyote]
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BlueCoyote said:
"So, how to you get your Final Conscious to unite with your ego?"




Id say by realizing they are no different, the only apparent difference is that one desires objectives which appear in itself, the other just is itself!

Final consciousness is the same as first consciousness, you are never not that

:peace:


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Re: 4th Conscious [Re: Chronic7]
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Now that I think about it, it seems to be similar to the idea of self-actualization.

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