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Immortality...
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If you had the choice between living a normal life and dying at a proper old age, or becoming immortal (i.e. you don't age and you can't get hurt) with the caveat that you may never commit suicide, which would you choose, and why?
So which would it be?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from 04/22/08 11:06 PM until the end of time
You must vote before you can view the results of this poll



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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

Edited by deCypher (04/22/08 11:14 PM)

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Re: Immortality... [Re: deCypher]
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I'm down for immortality... I would like to see how the human race grows over the eons =)

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Re: Immortality... [Re: wolfiexiii]
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I want mortality, and I'm not even that interested in reaching old age too. It would get awefully lonely and sad watching all of my loved ones get old and die without me.

Another thought: I've always considered life a journey rather than a destination, but in my voting for mortality, I guess that hints that life is more of a destination; if it really were just a journey, wouldn't immortality be the ideal situation?


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YIPPIE!

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Re: Immortality... [Re: AnarchoTrip]
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if you meet up with the source arent you immortal by proxy?


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The world itself is the will to power - and nothing else! And you yourself are the will to power - and nothing else! ~Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: Immortality... [Re: deCypher]
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I think one lifetime will be enough for me. It'll be like going to sleep after a very, very, very long day. :waits:

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Re: Immortality... [Re: deCypher]
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Unite with the source?

:rofl: what an eccentric view. I'll go ahead and vote for immortality. If I want to die I'll just jump in a meat grinder. I'm still made of meat right?


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Immortality... [Re: psyka]
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Mortality for me please. I have already become immortal through realising my mortality.

This is why conscious dying is so powerful, you realise impermanence, not just "yes ok everything comes & goes" this is not realising impermanence, realising impermanence is accepting the death of the entire universe & thus realising what is beyond impermanence, what is beyond the universe, then discovering & abiding in this emptiness.

Why cling to one tiny life when the potential of the entire universe lies within you?

Those that wish immortality in this lifetime have made the grandest mistake, clinging to life instead of honoring life. Death is a natural beautiful thing.

:peace:


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Re: Immortality... [Re: Chronic7]
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These are your own views which are prone to clinging.

"Those that wish immortality in this lifetime have made the grandest mistake"

Your condescending outlook is proof you have much further to purge. Purge on.

Nothing can be immortal, and there is no source.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Immortality... [Re: psyka]
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My outlook is not condescending, your ego takes it as such...those that wish immortality for they're obviously mortal body are clinging to life, its a simple fact, and clinging to life is the deepest attachment, that we all more or less posses to some extent. No-one wants to die.

The Buddha stated that to be free we must let go of all attachment, attachment to life & this world do not surpass this advice.

No-thing can be immortal. I agree, all "things" come & pass.

In witnessing this you find what does not come nor pass, that which is unaffected by impermanence, emptiness. It cant be labeled a thing.

The source is emptiness, emptiness is immortal.

There is no source that exists as a thing, yet when you experience this no-thingness, this emptiness, it can not be described as a thing, it is a no-thing, emptiness, yet incredibly fullfilling & the deepest blissful ecstacy possible to consciousness.

:peace:


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Re: Immortality... [Re: Chronic7]
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I'd rather die because I'd get bored living forever and I wouldn't want to see everybody I love die.

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Re: Immortality... [Re: Chronic7]
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Setting aside your continual long winded ranting about emptiness *yawn* ...

"those that wish immortality for they're obviously mortal body are clinging to life"

If you get sick you take medicine. If your arm is amputated and there is a robotic alternative... wouldn't you want to use that? If people could choose the type immortality in the original post, there would be no suffering, no separation, no illness, no sickness, no hunger, no thirst, no death.

If medical science could cure physical suffering, I would not oppose it.

"The source is emptiness" The source of what?

Looky here Chronic:

Boots said:
I'd rather die because I'd get bored living forever and I wouldn't want to see everybody I love die.


This man craves non-existence as opposed to existence. What would you say to him?

There are three types of craving that cause clinging: craving for existence, craving for non existence, the craving for stimulation of the senses.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Immortality... [Re: psyka]
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psyka said:
Setting aside your continual long winded ranting about emptiness *yawn* ...

"those that wish immortality for they're obviously mortal body are clinging to life"

If you get sick you take medicine. If your arm is amputated and there is a robotic alternative... wouldn't you want to use that? If people could choose the type immortality in the original post, there would be no suffering, no separation, no illness, no sickness, no hunger, no thirst, no death.

If medical science could cure physical suffering, I would not oppose it.

"The source is emptiness" The source of what?

Looky here Chronic:

Boots said:
I'd rather die because I'd get bored living forever and I wouldn't want to see everybody I love die.


This man craves non-existence as opposed to existence. What would you say to him?

There are three types of craving that cause clinging: craving for existence, craving for non existence, the craving for stimulation of the senses.


Thats right, but whats wrong with thirst, death, suffering & separation?
These things to me make life what it is, it is part of nature, this incredible separation is incredible, the separation is an illusion but the individuality of it (life) is gorgeous. Life suffers, that it the greatest thing anyone can accept imo.

Wishing for immortality is not accepting life, to me it just sounds like non acceptance "i want to live forever!!!" (im not accepting death as inevitable)
The paradox is if you consciously die now you realise you already live forever.

I like the last line:

There are three types of craving that cause clinging: craving for existence, craving for non existence, the craving for stimulation of the senses.

Very nice...thats going in the journal for sure!

:peace:


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Re: Immortality... [Re: deCypher]
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Being immortal does not mean you cannot be harmed, but that you cannot die.  I think you might have meant "invulnerable."  I would not choose to be immortal, as part of what I find poignant about life is the fact that it ends.  "No exit" sounds like a terrible way to live.  Even if you could not be physically harmed (i.e. both immortal AND invulnerable), you could still suffer emotionally.  What fresh hell is this...to be stuck living out your personality and physical form for all time?  :tongue:

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Re: Immortality... [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
What fresh hell is this...to be stuck living out your personality and physical form for all time?  :tongue:


A fate worse than one million deaths. Know the expression "you can't teach an old dog new tricks?" Think how hardened and unmalleable your mind would become after two hundred years, much less two thousand. What joy could you possibly find in anything whatsoever? Life would become an unbearable prison from which there would be no escape.


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Society in every form is a blessing,
but government at its best is but a necessary evil 
- Thomas Paine

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Re: Immortality... [Re: gluke bastid]
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Yeah, just to make things clear, I'm not saying that you KNOW that you'll reunite with a/the Source when you die... the point of the dilemma is to irrevocably choose either eternal life or death, with no return from either. And even if you do believe that you'll reunite after death, then can you really consider that immortality? After all, your individual ego has been assimilated into All... you're no longer conscious or let-alone, self-aware.


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Re: Immortality... [Re: deCypher]
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Right. I understand. While mortality is a fact that is terrifying and extremely serious (to borrow the Dalai Lama's words), in the end I would rather have my conciousness taken away from me (returned to where it was borrowed from) and experience nothing than to have to continue on as gluke bastid for eternity.


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:hst:
Society in every form is a blessing,
but government at its best is but a necessary evil 
- Thomas Paine

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Re: Immortality... [Re: deCypher]
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I think I would choose immortality first and then change my mind (after a few centuries probably) and die. suicide is always an option like it or not
:vanishing:


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                                                      psilohuasca is da wae
                                                                gnome sayin'?

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Re: Immortality... [Re: gluke bastid]
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I think my main concern with remaining immortal forever would be that all your loved ones would age and die before your eyes... meaning that you would never be able to make permanent attachments. On the other hand, merely winking out of existence forever is quite the horrifying thought. I suppose I'd take an eternity of loneliness over not experiencing anything at all.


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Re: Immortality... [Re: deCypher]
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I believe you have forgotten about one other choice for the after life. The ever important STAL.


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Re: Immortality... [Re: gluke bastid]
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for me the problem with this question seems to be that in the end what you're actually asking is: do you want to be what you think you are or would you rather be something you can only imagine?

1. is there life beyond death?

if you believe there is life beyond death, immortality would only trap you in this world. considering that both science and religion have the opinion that the universe will end one day, then ultimately you would actually cease to exist. but if you believe there is life beyond death and you chose mortality in this world, maybe you can actually live eternally progressing through different worlds and/or universes.

if you don't believe there is life beyond death, then immortality is probably the best option for it provides you with all the possible amount of time to try and work out the possibility of escaping the end of the universe by trying to somehow technologically "jump" into somewhere else.

2. is life worth living?

if you believe life is worth the pain it costs (at least at this point, where no non-suffering existence seems possible) and that it can indeed always renew itself through different and enriching experiences (with no limit whatsoever) then you will take care to sustain and enlarge life as much as possible - even to eternity.

if you believe suffering makes life not worth living for (except for learning how to escape it) and that the only way out of pain is abandoning the wheel of life and death into absolute nothingness, you should care to follow the buddha.

in my particular case, evolution makes me believe the answer may actually be a complex option in between the two. but I'm far too young to actually be able to formulate it... for the time being it's just an attractor set into the future.

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