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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!!
    #1691437 - 07/06/03 11:58 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

okay, that was just a cheap ploy to catch your attention, Im not going to "prove" anything, but check this out:

-im sure most of you are familiar with he Zen koan of the "the arrow is stopped in flight"? if not, its basically the idea that when you shoot an arrow at a tree it never really reaches the tree, because the distance between you and the tree can be infinitely subtracted, thusly, it is stopped in flight.

-this is metaphorical of course, so lets apply it to human life.

-the death of the body is the flight of the arrow. everyone dies, everyone is on their way to death, there is no escaping your destiny. Your life is a b-line from birth to death. But our thoughts exist while we are alive, our thought are the distance between the arrow and the tree is death.

so the instant before we die, our thoughts are infinitely subdivided. our bodies are not immortal, but our thought is, thusly we are immortal in our thought. not strictly immortal, but endlessly asymptomatically immortal.

you live to be 81. you think for 81 years. that thought can be endlessly subdivided. you better think some cool thoughts.

well?????


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1691497 - 07/07/03 12:17 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Zeno's (Or Xeno's) Paradox. It's possibly one of the worst things to use for your assertation, since it is patently and proveably false: though it asserts that the distance between any two points is effectively infinite, I can still shoot an arrow and have it hit the target. %)

..And I'm pretty sure that's not an 'old Zen koan' -- it's something an old Greek philosopher came up with.


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1691498 - 07/07/03 12:18 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Well what?


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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Swami]
    #1691532 - 07/07/03 12:32 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

no, its a an old zen koan, you are 100% percent wrong. and like I said, its metaphorical, so applying physics to a metaphor is stupid.


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Swami]
    #1691557 - 07/07/03 12:41 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

its like something called half-life in chemistry.


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: DrubuShrume]
    #1691592 - 07/07/03 01:03 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I'd like to endlessly subdivide and compartmentalize my thoughts. Can you do this for me? I will pay money


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Dogomush]
    #1691882 - 07/07/03 03:10 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck no. If I could, a lot of people would pay me money. I do not feel thoughts exist in atoms, therefor I do not feel thoughts undergo half-life.


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1692451 - 07/07/03 09:26 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

All you, a human, can experience is your life, up to and including the very last part of it, but not death itself. One could argue that subjective time slows to a halt before the time of death, but since consciousness in the rest of the world keeps going, I'm not sure if the stopping of subjective time really means anything after the time of death has passed.


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1692500 - 07/07/03 10:14 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

no, its a an old zen koan, you are 100% percent wrong
get your facts straight


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: raytrace]
    #1692762 - 07/07/03 12:50 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Well, even if death is the one thing you can't experience you can, because it's just the experience of not experiencing the thing.


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Dogomush]
    #1692825 - 07/07/03 01:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i guess that works with the idea that when you die you create your own hell/heaven depending on your state of...thought? live a life filled with anger and hate and you carry that with you for eternity.


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Dogomush]
    #1692899 - 07/07/03 01:44 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

it's just the experience of not experiencing the thing.




Only in the case where you come back to life again (NDE experience). Otherwise there will be no imprint of this death-non-experience in the brain, and no human that can say "I had the most remarkable experience!" afterwards.

But this will not reflect everything that consciousness was busy doing during it's absence, for the same reason that our memories don't reflect everything that consciousness is busy doing in other people's brains during day-to-day operation.


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1693329 - 07/07/03 04:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

raytrace: get your facts straight

listen buddy, did you ever consider the idea that two different people in two different world locations could come up with a similar idea? you know nothing about "facts", for mine are a straight as the zen monk's arrow.


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1693397 - 07/07/03 04:31 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Whether I consider this idea or not is irrelevant. The arrow thing is a well-known paradox of Zeno, so Sev is definitely not 100% wrong.


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: raytrace]
    #1693420 - 07/07/03 04:38 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

"Your body dies, your consciousness passes away, but your body is caught in that one tautological point an instant before, subdividing for eternity. Think about the Zen koan: "An arrow is stopped in flight." The death of the body is the flight of an arrow. No dodging it, not for anyone. People have to die, the body has to fail. Time is hurling that arrow forward. And yet, as I was saying, thought goes on dividing that time for ever and ever. The paradox becomes real. The arrow never hits."

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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Ped]
    #1693529 - 07/07/03 05:06 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Hah!

Don't steal ideas, atomic. You can borrow them if you point to a source, but not make them your own.


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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Meph]
    #1693534 - 07/07/03 05:08 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i never stole any ideas braah I am constantly quoting murakami, just check out my thread history. did murakami quote whoever wrote the koan? no, this isnt an essay. please, im not trying to assert my intellectual prowess in order to get appluase from the humanoids who post on this message board, my ego is not that pathetic. and it is especially not pathetic enough to steal someone elses and pretend they are my own.

"its all information, and we are all its vessals" -atomikfunksoldier

do you want a works cited for all the words I used???


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Ped]
    #1693547 - 07/07/03 05:13 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Nice, that's 1 reference. Now, go to google and type "arrow paradox".

And by the way it is not meant to be taken (only) as a metaphor, however this is an altogether different discussion for some other time and some other thread.


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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: raytrace]
    #1693561 - 07/07/03 05:16 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

it must be sad to live in a world where you rely on the great google god for all truth. I could have directly quoted murakami, but what he said didnt fully reflect what I wanted to say, so I elaborated on his elaboration of the koan.

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Re: ETERNAL LIFE PROVEN TO EXIST BY AFS!!!! [Re: Ped]
    #1693581 - 07/07/03 05:23 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

The idea of this koan is related with time and the way we perceive it. Your consciousness can't make fractions of time and give it sense, that is controlled by our subconscious.
Time is the key, our mind works with time as lapses, a measurable moment means knowing the units of experience, a relative unit. One moment could be one day, one week or one second and you live through it but in fact if you live 81 years for a 1 second moment, you'll still reach the end of the 1 second moment.
Ever seen "contact" the movie ? It arises some philosophical questions such as this.
Also see nature, snails for example, do you know our reality moves at light speed for them ?
What about flies ? We look still to them.

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