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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: Seuss]
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I'd be pretty fucking irate if I got a DUI on a bicycle.


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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: circularvortex]
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Yea' I'd probably end up in jail for fucking with the cop.


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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: niteowl]
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I think the issue is an ability to determine when someone is under the acute influence.

Without this you get into grey areas. What if the pilot smoked at midnight and had a 6:00 am flight? What about 10 pm.? etc. etc.


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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: badchad]
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Shit, even if someone is stoned and not visibly impaired, I don't think it's a problem. I know people who driver better stoned than sober because they're more cautious. There's never any "I FROGOT WICH 1 IS TEH BRAKE LOL" stuff.

I rarely will smoke cigarettes so when I DO smoke them, I get really strong buzz, like a high, off them that lasts for a while. I'll get jittery and have erratic thinking, even short term memory loss... And for sure without the sense of calm and cautiousness (read "paranoia") that comes with marijuana.

Should pilots not be able to smoke tobacco off duty too?

Another interesting thing is it's not like they're being drug tested for say, LSD, or Psilocybin. They could have tripped last night when off duty and come in the next day with a psychedelic afterglow.

People have a ridiculous vendetta against such a useful and relatively harmless plant.

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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: Bandersnatch]
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ITS THA DEVIL'S WEED :crankey:






























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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: Learyfan]
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If they work for themselves then, I don't see why not. Otherwise, the owner of the heli should be able to decide who does or doesn't fly his/her plane for whatever reasons he/she chooses.

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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: circularvortex]
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circularvortex said:
I'd be pretty fucking irate if I got a DUI on a bicycle.


i know a guy who got one on a riding mower. :rofl2:


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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: badchad]
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> I think the issue is an ability to determine when someone is under the acute influence.

Close; it is an inability to quantify intoxication. (such as what a breathalizer does with alcohol intoxication) It is pretty easy to determine if somebody is intoxicated, but it is very difficult to prove the exact level of intoxication for every possible substance. Our laws are geared towards defined absolutes, such as blood alcohol levels. It would make much more sense to base the rules upon some form of skills test with the DUI applying irregardless of the substance being consumed, be it prescription or recreational. Blame the lawyers turned lawmakers for ensuring job security for those in their trade at the expense of the population as a whole.


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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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leftysurprise said:
circularvortex said:
I'd be pretty fucking irate if I got a DUI on a bicycle.


i know a guy who got one on a riding mower. :rofl2:


why did he ride his mower off his property
or r u joking
cuz dumb shit like this does happen lol


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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: Seuss]
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The thing with that, however, is that some people cannot pass a roadside test sober. Anxiety can have a major effect on people in those kind of situations.

If I failed a skills test in that situation there would be a possibility of me receiving a DUI regardless of my use of a substance or not.

I believe that is why there are legal quantity measurements involved. :ohwell:

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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: Coaster]
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Coaster said:
leftysurprise said:
circularvortex said:
I'd be pretty fucking irate if I got a DUI on a bicycle.


i know a guy who got one on a riding mower. :rofl2:


why did he ride his mower off his property
or r u joking
cuz dumb shit like this does happen lol


not joking, he rode down the street to a neighbors house, 4 houses down, on a little side street. had a beer in hand, cop stopped him, you can guess the rest.

:nonono:


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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said:
Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty?



that depends, are they the same pilots flying over my property
twice a day looking to score a pot field? 'cuz I feel they should
buy the pot or grow their own and leave mine alone!


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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: Bandersnatch]
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Bandersnatch said:
The thing with that, however, is that some people cannot pass a roadside test sober. Anxiety can have a major effect on people in those kind of situations.

If I failed a skills test in that situation there would be a possibility of me receiving a DUI regardless of my use of a substance or not.

I believe that is why there are legal quantity measurements involved. :ohwell:


i dont know about any of you, but i could not say the ABC's backwards if my life depended on it.


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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: niteowl]
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well i think the issue is the smokin not the flyin cause smokin in general implies that you'd smoke whenever(you didnt stop for the test) and with any drug people use they get used to it and seem to be more cautious so hell yea theyd end up smokin before a flight, but the thing is that jus sounds exciting

hahahahaha chop chop chop hahahahah

i mean i cant smoke weed at work but its implied now(lol) so i just keep it to my ciggerette breaks if neccesary cut backs are word everything isnt writtin in stone jus give it time


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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: Bandersnatch]
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The thing with that, however, is that some people cannot pass a roadside test sober. Anxiety can have a major effect on people in those kind of situations.


If people can't handle the stress of a roadside test, then they probably can't handle the stress of driving and shouldn't be on the road anyway. Besides, there are several metrics, such as pupil size and jittery eye movements that aren't influenced by stress.

In the borderline cases, we have cameras and we have juries. I'll trust a jury of peers to determine intoxication over any absolute percentage of a substance in the body. Everybody is different. A jury can judge each case individually where a hard number cannot.


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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: niteowl]
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see "Stoners" are weird because most of them i know..start out smoking weed like "occasionally", then it moves to "often" and finally its "im high from the second i wake up till i goto sleep". so i dont think id want a "Stoner" pilot. i wouldnt begrudge a guy for smoking occasionally....but if u let him smoke, how could u make sure he kept it to occasionally? there are some jobs where there is too much at stake to let a guy do drugs. at least with alcohol you can smell it, u notice the slurred speech, and there is a solid test to see if someone is exactly at that moment "drunk".

fuck a drugee pilot. can you imagine a cokehead pilot? or an opiate pilot? or shit how about a fucking benzo addict pilot? benzo guy would fly his sleepy ass into a building

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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: KingOftheThing]
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> at least with alcohol you can smell it ... fuck a drugee pilot. can you imagine a cokehead pilot? or an opiate pilot?

An odd double standard. So it is appearance rather than impairment that concerns you? Personally, I don't care what drugs a pilot, surgeon, etc, does in their off time... as long as their drug use doesn't impact their job performance, be the drug alcohol or heroin or anything in between.

I will agree with you on "there are some jobs where there is too much at stake to let a guy do drugs" and have no problem with employers being allowed to refuse employment based upon drug use (including alcohol, tobacco, and prescription drugs). A responsible adult should be allowed to make the choice, work here and stay clean or work someplace else and feed my vice. In the case of some prescriptions... sorry, but life isn't always fair.

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Re: Should helicopter pilots be able to smoke weed when off duty? [Re: KingOftheThing]
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Yeah, you just articulated some of my concerns better than I did. There's really a LOT at stake. That's why I wonder if maybe we shouldn't let people who have jobs like that do drugs ever.

I hope my friend doesn't fail his test. That would devastate him. He says that he's going to only smoke very rarely from now on.









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