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Whats so great about weed????
    #3073175 - 08/31/04 09:30 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I've never been a fan of marijuana, the only time I liked it was when I first did it, ever since it's just been a way to make me look cracked out, tired, hungry, lazy and eventually gain fat due to the pot smokers life style and diet of high GI index foods such as twinkies and mountain dew.

I woulden't at all call the buzz a high, ecstacy is a high, shrooms are a high, cocaine is a high, meth is a high.... Weed? nah, thats no high, thats just some way to avoid responsibility and do nothing all day while enjoying it.

Oh, and for those of you who say weed is not addictive, BUUUUULLLLLLSHHHITTTTT. It's extremely mentally addictive, I've known so many people who can't, or are not willing, to go a single day without blazing up and haven't missed a day in YEARS...

They freak out like a crack head without their pot. When I was shooting up coke, smoking meth, and doing shrooms my friend wondered why I would do all those 'hard drugs' yet not touch something so harmless as weed as they lit their pipes and reached for the dorito's. Weed is a joke, I don't feel like getting tired and lethargic I feel like getting mutha fuckin high! That's why.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073191 - 08/31/04 09:37 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

To each thier own. You may not like the high, but alot do. You say that meth and coke are a high, but alot don't like that high. Everyone enjoys a different feeling and do different drugs to get what feeling they think is right for them. You sure can't say that smoking meth and shooting shit up is a productive lifestyle, and i've tried all the drug, course never stupid enough to shoot the shit.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: iluan]
    #3073194 - 08/31/04 09:39 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Um, the post was meant for you to explain how marijuana benefits you, or what positives you feel from it, whats so damn GREAT about it? not state the obvious.

Is it just that everyone thinks its some harmless 'natural' plant that isen't looked down on like other drugs warranting a free pass to abuse it?


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073201 - 08/31/04 09:41 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well except for medical purposes you can't really say any drug benifits you can you?.. People do drugs for different reasons. I guess i'll toss out my reason for smoking.. i enjoy the relaxed feeling i get from smoking herb. It helps me deal with the everyday stress i go through in life much like a depressed person and thier pills i guess.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073204 - 08/31/04 09:43 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I enjoy marijuana much more than meth or coke, b/c it helps me calm down and sleep.

It can also help people who have trouble keeping on weight.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073219 - 08/31/04 09:46 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

the herb is gracious and can be used for so much besides smoking.

in babylon they want the cocaine, the meth, the heroin, but not the herb.

can we power cars with crack?
can we make clothes from heroin?
is cocaine a good source of protein and omega-3 fatty acids?


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073222 - 08/31/04 09:48 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

What's great about weed is precisely the fact that it's not as intense as the other drugs you mentioned(though I've had a few experiences on really strong weed that bordered on tripping). You can do it frequently without major consequences(assuming you don't get busted). I can drive stoned easily, but I'd never think of driving on anything more than half an eighth of shrooms(and even then, only if I absolutely have to, and definitely not during the peak). You're comparing apples and oranges here. Don't even try to compare weed and hard drugs. They're just very different drugs meant for different occasions. Weed is often used in the same sort of settings as alcohol, and out of those two, I'll take weed any day. If I'm stressing out about life and worrying about a bunch of bullshit, all it takes is one good hit to chill me the fuck out. What may be lethargy to you is just chillness to me. Of course, like any drug, weed affects different people differently. I had a friend in high school who would get hyper as hell when he was stoned. Some people can't handle weed. They get paranoid and reclusive and anti-social. I've met at least a couple Shroomerites who don't smoke weed anymore for that reason. Personally, I love being stoned. It's such a relaxed, meditative state of mind. As for meth and coke, I stay away from that shit. IME, those drugs turn decent, honest people into assholes.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073226 - 08/31/04 09:50 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

It gives me a couple of hours of introspective, reflective relaxation before going to sleep. For me it is a valuable state of mind that helps me to sum up the day and get my priorities straight.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Clean]
    #3073236 - 08/31/04 09:53 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Cocaine was a priceless tool for long distance endeavors and people often described the distance they traveled by the number of mouthfulls of coca leaves they chewed.

Lets see you travel with a THC buzz!


CAN WE POWER CARS WITH CRACK:
If you have crack then you might have ether around! so YES!

CAN WE MAKE CLOTHES FROM HEROIN:
In many sweatshops that produce your clothes around the world workers often work for 12 hours a day for less than a dollar an hour. Heroin and opium are often used to sustain these labors which otherwise would be near impossible physically day in and day out without great pain.

is cocaine a good source of protein and omega-3 fatty acids?
No, but neither is THC, were talking about the high, not the plant matter.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3073252 - 08/31/04 09:58 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I had a friend in high school who would get hyper as hell when he was stoned. Some people can't handle weed. They get paranoid and reclusive and anti-social. I've met at least a couple Shroomerites who don't smoke weed anymore for that reason.




Yea I get anti-social, for others they get social. I don't like being around people when I smoke but others seem to love it for some reason. I just get really quiet and think alot.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073254 - 08/31/04 09:59 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I used to like to smoke around my friends, but now I mosty enjoy a bowl before bed. It helps me calm down, and puts me out better than any otc sleep aids do.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073258 - 08/31/04 10:01 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

>Oh, and for those of you who say weed is not addictive,
>BUUUUULLLLLLSHHHITTTTT. It's extremely mentally addictive, I've

So what?  My roomate in college smoked like that every day.  He'd lay a match out for the first bong hit of the morning to save himself half a second.  But he was a good student, studied electrical engineering and graduated, was and is a happy guy.

I used to smoke several times a day, every day for many years.  Then I stopped for a loooong time.  I just recently found I enjoy it again, so blanket statements about mental addiction don't apply.  Such generalizations rarely do.

I find it pleasantly narrows my train of thought and relaxes me.  I *enjoy* washing the dishes, etc.  I like weed, weed likes me :smile:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: cosmicray]
    #3073263 - 08/31/04 10:03 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

marijuana helps narrow my mental focus when it comes to physical tasks.. so i can concentrate on building a stone wall rather than thinking about what i'd rather be doing with my life.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: cosmicray]
    #3073264 - 08/31/04 10:03 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I find it pleasantly narrows my train of thought and relaxes me.  I *enjoy* washing the dishes, etc.  I like weed, weed likes me :smile:




If narrowing your train of thought is in your list of priorities, amphetamines like meth do wonders for ADD.

I really don't promote the use of these hard drugs, im just making arguement for the sake of understanding the common pothead.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: cosmicray]
    #3073267 - 08/31/04 10:04 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Its not mental adictive, it becomes a ritual of life.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073274 - 08/31/04 10:06 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The "great" thing about bud is that it gets you high. It doesn't blow your mind (usually), and people feel safe and comforted by the fact. It's as natural as it can be. I love blazing up a bowl because it makes me feel good, like any other drug I do. It's a thing we pick up as a teenager, smoking bud is, and a lot of us never move on really. But yeah, I love it and it loves me.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #3073295 - 08/31/04 10:14 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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The "great" thing about bud is that it gets you high. It doesn't blow your mind (usually), and people feel safe and comforted by the fact. It's as natural as it can be. I love blazing up a bowl because it makes me feel good, like any other drug I do. It's a thing we pick up as a teenager, smoking bud is, and a lot of us never move on really. But yeah, I love it and it loves me.




God, please dont use the "natural" claim its so overdone. Natural means "by nature" cocaine is as natural as your gonna get dude, morphine, hydrocodone, codeine, thebaine, DMT, etc etc all 100% NATURALALIS!

If anything, Marijuana is the LEAST natural because of all the mix breeding the strains have went through to imrpove potency under the hands of man.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #3073300 - 08/31/04 10:15 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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SHEIKofSHIITAKE said:
Its not mental adictive, it becomes a ritual of life.




I've known people who ritualistically shoot up daily too. It's a pattern of use, therefor its addictive classed behavior


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073303 - 08/31/04 10:15 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

By natural I just mean it grows naturally in nature by natural forces due to natural means. Just thought I would see how many times I could use that word in a sentence.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #3073310 - 08/31/04 10:17 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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By natural I just mean it grows naturally in nature by natural forces due to natural means. Just thought I would see how many times I could use that word in a sentence.




My son, im trying to tell you that cocaine, and opiates do the same thing you just described. I would also say only 2% of marijuana in the USA grows by "natural means", meaning man had no action in its growth. The rest is planted by man and looked after by man.

What about all the miracle grow and Ph ballancers used to grow the weed to super-potency conditions. Is that natural?


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073312 - 08/31/04 10:18 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I agree, I never saw the fascination with weed, anymore than I do with alcohol. It's fun from time to time, but it really just dulls your senses...not too fun for me.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #3073314 - 08/31/04 10:18 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Hbday mcK!  :cool:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073357 - 08/31/04 10:39 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

A lot of people get "anxiety" from smoking. Is it because they see their ego from a more detached perspective and cannot handle it?

I smoke daily to relieve muscle and joint pain, stimulate appetite, and to enjoy myself. Marijuana makes my life 100% better since I have early onset fibromyalgia.

If you don't like the high then don't smoke it. I don't do meth, coke, or anything other than tripping/herb any more simply because the highs are not worth it and not that exciting on their own. I feel herb and psychedelics can aid my progress in life, not hinder it. It is a wonderful ally for daily use.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073360 - 08/31/04 10:40 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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What about all the miracle grow and Ph ballancers used to grow the weed to super-potency conditions. Is that natural?




All of that is out the window with organic methods. Hehe @ super-potency conditions :wink:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Organic]
    #3073364 - 08/31/04 10:41 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Organic said:
A lot of people get "anxiety" from smoking. Is it because they see their ego from a more detached perspective and cannot handle it?

I smoke daily to relieve muscle and joint pain, stimulate appetite, and to enjoy myself. Marijuana makes my life 100% better since I have early onset fibromyalgia.






Usually it's a sativa that makes people feel anxiety...
if your wanting to relieve muscle and joint painn then an indica is probly a better bet.  :cool:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Organic]
    #3073366 - 08/31/04 10:42 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Hello guys. i am NOT a fan of weed. I don't like its high. It only makes me lazy, hungry and sleepy.

BUT i respect it and the people who are fans of it.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: iluan]
    #3073380 - 08/31/04 10:46 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I'm smoking on two strains that finished August 26, outdoor heavy indica strains from Spain. My body hasn't felt this good since last fall :wink: If you smoke more than a bowl of this to yourself, you get pretty anxious--especially from the more sativa dominant plant. Lots of indica=anxious, a little=chill


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: iluan]
    #3073381 - 08/31/04 10:46 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you Iluan! I'm not doing anything exciting for my birthday, just going to sit around and smoke and drink and have a party and shit like that. Have a good day sir.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #3073386 - 08/31/04 10:48 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

smoke one for me  :thumbup: haha second thought.. smoke one for you! and i'll smoke one for you too..afterall it is your bday!


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073397 - 08/31/04 10:54 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I had a friend in high school who would get hyper as hell when he was stoned. Some people can't handle weed. They get paranoid and reclusive and anti-social. I've met at least a couple Shroomerites who don't smoke weed anymore for that reason.




Yea I get anti-social, for others they get social. I don't like being around people when I smoke but others seem to love it for some reason. I just get really quiet and think alot.




Me too. I still smoke with my friends though. That is probably because I never really buy weed anymore, and if I did have it I don't always feel like I really need to smoke.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073450 - 08/31/04 11:12 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I agree, id quit if i could i know im fucking up my brian but it aint good enough reaosn to quit. I am addicted to weed. Fullstop.

I need it to be hungry, i need it to sleep, i need it to calm me down, i may not actually NEED it for those, but i have grown accustomed to it to acheive those things. They are now associated with weed in my mind.

When i get home from work having a joint is the one thing apart from music that keeps me from having a fucking nervous breakdown and ripping out every last shred of my hair.

Just debts doing nothing but piling up, not having a girlfriend, my shitty job, friends strung out on drugs amoung other things......i need that j at the end of the day to calm me down, either that or a drink or something.

Just to help me forget what a shitty day ive had. It helps me just sit there and be in ignorant bliss for 1/2 hour, sometimes it makes me really paranoid now though.

Without weed i feel much more clear headed and chatty and lively, but then i get home and cant sleep and if something pisses me off ill fuckin tear their head off quicker than you can say J!


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #3073451 - 08/31/04 11:12 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i love drugs.!! most drugs!! except cigs and alcohol.i'm clean now (due to probation) but one day i know i'll start smoking weed again. to answer your question i2ancid "whats so great about weed?" weed makes everything so great!! i love smoking and walking through the woods.smoking and looking up at the night sky at all the stars and realizing we ARE not alone.smoking and listening to pink floyd,death metal.shit,even rap sounds good when your high! i love the way it opens the mind and allows you to see things from different perspectives. i'm not gonna give you the "its natural " reason ,it is worn out. don't dog weed dude. oh yeah! happy BDAY MCKENNAFAN! alexgrey and tool go together better than peas and carrots!peace.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3073476 - 08/31/04 11:24 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Of course, weed can be psychologically addicting. For that matter, ANYTHING can be psychologically addicting. As far as weed goes, I like it like a lot of people do - it's a great buzz. Having said that, there just is no comparison between weed and coke and meth. I've seen/heard/read of too many lives torn apart by meth and coke to even think they're in the same class as weed.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #3073522 - 08/31/04 11:39 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't really like weed at first, to be honest. Then the more I experimented with it, I found it to be very useful. Maybe I am just more sensitive to THC then some, but I always have very powerful experiences with weed. I only use it once a week and intend to stick to that. I can see how it can be easy to slip into abusing weed if you're not careful, but as always, moderation is best.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #3073540 - 08/31/04 11:44 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well the point of this thread was to kind of shock people out of the safe, innocent, harmless mentality of weed.

The truth about THC as with anything else is when you introduce a substance into your body that effects the operation and reactions of the chemicals in our brain used to mediate our moods and mentality, your body causes a sort of negative feedback system to occur.

As chronic777 stated, he finds it more difficult to get hungry, to sleep, and to calm down without it. Think for a second, when you're high, it's the complete opposite, you ARE hungry, you ARE able to sleep, you ARE able to calm down. Your body is fighting the effects of the THC trying to create a ballance by reducing your bodies own natural ability to achieve these things.

The body loves ballance, so much so that it will do anything and everything to sustain it.

Also remember, for any foreign substance to effect the body in any way it must bind to receptors meant for natural chemicals in the body. For example: The only reason Heroin and Opiates of any kind cause you to feel good and calm and euphoric is because it binds to the same receptor that ENDORPHINS bind to, therefor the body experiences much of the same symptoms of runners high, synthetically.

Likewise, cannabinoids bind to some receptor in our brain meant to mediate the effects of battling anxiety, producing hunger, calming nerves, and so forth. Proof that THC can infact become physically addictive. The ONLY reason it is not recognized is because the symptoms of cessation from long term chronic marijuana use are not properly documented as no study has yet to subject humans to an "illegal" substance and then study the long term problems that arise.

Smoking weed occasionally is not going to mess up your ballance, it takes a while, smoking everyday for over 3 weeks is likely to begin the reactions.


Every action has an equal or opposite reaction.

Chronic777, is your memory also effected? I don't mean while you're on it, but off it too.


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    #3073606 - 08/31/04 12:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Heh, just because you're weak and smoke crappy weed, doesn't mean that marijuana sucks. No, come to BC and smoke what I'm smoking, now tell me that it's not a 'high'.
Marijuana's psychoactive you know. Smoke some better shit, or eat some and you'll be blown right out of the water.

As for being addictive and leading to a shitty lifestyle, it's losers and morons that smoke marijuana. Marijuana doesn't turn people into losers or morons. People with a potential to abuse in the first place are the ones who get 'hooked' on weed. So you should reaaally get your facts strait before you ramble about pot. I'd say that it's just not your things.


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    #3073737 - 08/31/04 12:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I think most of the people that smoke it find it extremely fun, and an enjoyable experience.


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    #3073862 - 08/31/04 01:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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tired, hungry, lazy and eventually gain fat due to the pot smokers life style and diet of high GI index foods such as twinkies and mountain deew.





Ok, IMO, the north american lifestyle has more to do with being lazy then cannabis  :smirk:

Look at the studies of CRONIC smokers from Greece , Jamaca etc , here are men that work their balls off ALL day in the hot sun, while totally baked  :stoned:

No lack of motivation there.
As for high GI foods, well I dont eat those anyway(they give me pimples), and I have one of the strictest diets of anyone I know, I dont even eat meat unless I KNOW how it was rasised, and what it was fed.

And it also depends on the strain....as someone how doesnt like Cannabis, I assume you dont even know that there are strains of pot that "Wake you up"

A strong sativa has a much more stimulating effect, but since indicas are short fat and fast......people grow indica or mainly indica strains, i.e. CASH.
(Legal cannabis would open up every flavour on the menu)

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I woulden't at all call the buzz a high, ecstacy is a high, shrooms are a high, cocaine is a high, meth is a high.... Weed? nah, thats no high, thats just some way to avoid responsibility and do nothing all day while enjoying it. 



Well I thats funny because I see the oppisite, I see Cannabis users being the motivated ones!, Meth???man do you know how many people are just WASTING their entire lives on that shit????, I have FRIENDS that are addicts, trust me.....Cannabis hasent fucked up my life, but they sure did a good job fucking theirs up with meth.

As for food and motivation....... thats NOT TRUE, sure for someone that sits around all the time ,watching TV and getting fat, strong indicas are not a good fit.

But what about me for example....I have been up since 8:30, I have already looked for work, gone to the goverment office, worked in the yard, and now I am about to smoke a solar bowl, and then its back on the road for me(on a bike), to look for work.  :smile:  :thumbup:

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  Weed is a joke, I don't feel like getting tired and lethargic I feel like getting mutha fuckin high! That's why.




Once again, your lack of experience with the drug, and GROWING might be the problem. :laugh:

Ever eating a pot brownie???, and what do you mean you dont like being lethargic??? you were talking about heroin in another post :smirk:

Cannabis is safer then ANY drug on EARTH.....safer then COFFFEE, and thats a scientific fact  that I am willing to provide AMPLE evidence for. :thumbup:

As for mental addiction, well that doesnt mean shit, sure people miss cannabis, and want to smoke it if they are used to smoking it.....its NOTHING compared to the shit PAIN I have seen, hard drugs like METH and Heroin create problems far beyond any thing Cannabis has EVER done.

And every "stoner" I know(accept me) has a job.

But remember Cannabis isnt a  drug you do and then your a stoner and your part of the club...........(nice , easy going etc)

  I have meet some real assholes that happen to like cannabis........but by the same token, you CANT assume Cannabis users are lazy , or unmotivated, or that Cannabis use = no exersice and a poor diet.

Hell after I get home I am hitting the weights, then I am eating good meal(not something high in GI...or to much protein for that matter. (when did people forget that to much of ANYTHING protein OR carbs is bad??, fuck man to much protein and you will casue weak bones , acidic blood, and damaged kidneys) 

As for not calling pot a high...... :lol:

You need some better Cannabis. :thumbup: :laugh:


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    #3073905 - 08/31/04 01:26 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I smoke regularly, and I have no problem being motivated or being in shape. I work out and play sports, and attend college where I'm on the dean's list. Doesn't seem like a problem to me. :shrug:


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    #3073915 - 08/31/04 01:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

haha i wish i had the patients to write that much, but yeh it rings good truth and agree with almost all of what's said.  :cool:
Oh, and pot doesn't make a person lazy...laziness makes a person lazy.


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    #3073936 - 08/31/04 01:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I ate a few to many pot brownies once, opened some doors I had no idea where there (and really didn't want opened :shocked:) I was most definitly tripping so hard off of those, it was compareable (maybe stronger) than some expiriances with more powerful psycadelic drugs man woahhhhh that is a definitly a way to learn what power that plant has REAL QUICK. word of warning, I wasn't quite right for a good week or two after.


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    #3073939 - 08/31/04 01:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

yep, I recently graduated one of the most intense computer based colleges while smoking daily (13 hour days working on campus, 6 days a week). Not only that, but I was in the top of my class. Seems to me this guy is using free-vibe "facts" combined with aggressive statements, trying to stir up some angry "common pothead" responses.

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    #3073943 - 08/31/04 01:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Is it just that everyone thinks its some harmless 'natural' plant that isen't looked down on like other drugs warranting a free pass to abuse it?




Fuck that! Weed made me insane and hear voices. That's right, WEED and BOOZE, the two "harmless?" drugs made me completely psychotic.

Bullshit that it's great and can't be abused. I am sick of being a slave to it, but that wasn't enough to make me boot it. You know why? Because it IS FUCKING ADDICTIVE!

Now I am a mental fucking patient because of it. Fuck weed. No wait, Butt fuck weed in the ass and make it clean to stick off with it's tounge.


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    #3073950 - 08/31/04 01:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

" The truth about THC as with anything else is when you introduce a substance into your body that effects the operation and reactions of the chemicals in our brain used to mediate our moods and mentality, your body causes a sort of negative feedback system to occur."

WRONG.

Cannabis is one of the few drugs that DOESNT cause brain cell mutation(which is the "halmark" of addiction)

Even Coffee will casuse mutations , but the Cannaboids do not.

"Also remember, for any foreign substance to effect the body in any way it must bind to receptors meant for natural chemicals in the body."

Yes, but Cannabis doesnt FUCK with the your levels of neroutrasnmittors in the brain, messing with these levels, and brain cell mutation is the road to addiction.

Cannabis doesnt do either.

Read Marijuana MYTHS, Marijuana FACTS, its a great UP TO DATE , scientific look at Cannabis :wink:

The canadian senate came out with a report recently about cannabis......whats the biggest danger from smoking cannabis (Cronic use =??) 

Bronchitis, and this can be risk can be avoided with a vaporisor or lessened by smoking STRONG , QUALITY Cannabis.

Whats the most dangerous thing about Cannabis????

The way it can impact your freedom. :yesnod:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: iluan]
    #3073952 - 08/31/04 01:38 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i smoke every day.. it releaves so much anxiety for me.


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    #3073954 - 08/31/04 01:38 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Drugs are not for the weak minded. Everyone has a limit, live, learn, and move on.


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    #3073984 - 08/31/04 01:45 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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It can also help people who have trouble keeping on weight.




Now I'm stuck on deprecoat (amongst other things) because of what weed has done to my psyche.

If you don't know, Deprecoat (sp?) is notiorious for wieght gain.

I am not sorry if I sound bitter toward this drug because I am addicted to it and it is destroying my mind. It will eventually destroy or distort yours slowly over time till you get either a stupor or "reefer madness." If you don't believe that it causes madness, you cannot deny the stupor it causes over a lengthy (multiple times, daily in my case) use.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3073995 - 08/31/04 01:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I don't mean to cut you down, but if a user cannot be disciplined enough to put a drug down, then they shoudln't be using it in the first place.


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    #3074008 - 08/31/04 01:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Drugs can exacerbate mental problems, it sounds like Schizophrenia not cannabis, is your problem.


If Cannabis caused all the horrible(overblown) problems of which SOME speak, then all the suffering , and sick, medical patients would be saying , shit I hear voices , this cannabis is not the right medicine etec etc.

They dont, because Cannabis has always BEEN and will always BE, good medicine.

And if you want to tell me different , you can contact my doctor, or one of the medical cannabis clubs I am a part of :wink:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3074018 - 08/31/04 01:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Just because it fucked up your life doesn't make it wrong for all.  Hell my nephew OD'd on coke.. do i think coke is not for everyone? NO..he is the one that didn't know his limit, he is the one that made the wrong choice.  I would never condem everyone else for the mistakes of one person, whether i think it's right or wrong, good or bad.  :rasta:


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    #3074024 - 08/31/04 01:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

AMEN :laugh:


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    #3074025 - 08/31/04 01:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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What's great about weed is precisely the fact that it's not as intense as the other drugs you mentioned(though I've had a few experiences on really strong weed that bordered on tripping). You can do it frequently without major consequences(assuming you don't get busted




A softer effect and a softer consequence. Over time, the ends are the same. of course if you abuse coke, it will burn you faster than weed will, but the weed can still burn you if abused. As for being busted, it is the same, one coke bust will put you away for a while, while a bunch of weed busts will be needed to match that of a coke bust (possession busts in both cases).

It just takes more weed and time because the weed effects less.

Your points seem to always be well laid out.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3074043 - 08/31/04 01:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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the weed can still burn you if abused.



(emphasis mine)

Key words: if abused!! Anything can be detrimental if it is abused, guys.


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    #3074053 - 08/31/04 01:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Amen.


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    #3074064 - 08/31/04 01:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Its not mental adictive, it becomes a ritual of life.




I don't think you are truly credible, you ate blue-bruising bollettes.

What do you think a mental addiction is? It is a ritual of life. Weed has addicted me and that's why I am so angry right now.


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    #3074069 - 08/31/04 02:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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Its not mental adictive, it becomes a ritual of life.




I don't think you are truly credible, you ate blue-bruising bollettes.
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lol ouch  :shocked:


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    #3074079 - 08/31/04 02:02 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I've smoked since I was 16, but i have no problems with it. I can buy an eighth and it will last me a month. It all boils down to being able to control yourself enough not to do it all the time.

If you have an addictive personality, then you will have trouble.


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    #3074086 - 08/31/04 02:03 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

What about self-responsibility, Magnum?

I am in no way belittling your condition right now, but the weed could've cared less if you smoked it. Are you angry because weed is painted as a "harmless" drug?

If that is the case, then I sympathize with you. No drug should be given the label of "harmless."

On the same page though, I think it is important to note that you were the one who smoked it. Nobody takes responsibility for their own actions anymore these days.


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    #3074103 - 08/31/04 02:06 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well I have this problem with being around people. I guess i'm REALLY self concious? I don't know but when I smoke I feel perfectly fine and I'll say anything I want without worrying about what other people think. so I suppose it makes me more social...oh yeah and I like to gain lbs. because I'm a skinny dude haha.


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    #3074163 - 08/31/04 02:22 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

You need to chill out and stop blaming your issues on cannabis. Im tired of running into people who cant accept their actions and the consequences of their actions and instead have to find a scapegoat for their problems.

Weed will not put you on Depakote. Ive been on depakote for 3 years. Cannabis is the only drug ive ever had that literaly melted the stress off and made me friendly.

Dont be like those people in Columbine who after the shooting had to quickly find a new scapegoat like violent computer games or music.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: browndustin]
    #3074169 - 08/31/04 02:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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No, come to BC and smoke what I'm smoking, now tell me that it's not a 'high'. Marijuana's psychoactive you know




It is a hallucinogen. The shit you smoked, which I smoked every day made me insane. Be careful and treate your brain with respect.

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As for being addictive and leading to a shitty lifestyle, it's losers and morons that smoke marijuana. Marijuana doesn't turn people into losers or morons.




If losers and morrons smoke it and you smoke it, you increase the likelyhood of hanging and bonding with loosers and morrons. In fact, you might pick up on thier lame habbits from being around them. Weed, especially what you smoke at BC (my region, but yours is probably a step above mine) is not innocent.

He isn't just rambling, he is exposing a truth about this crop. It is exactly that Psychoactive GOOD SHIT that will put you in the asylum like me this past week. I have a bunch of diagnosises with drugs written all over them.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #3074173 - 08/31/04 02:26 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I think most of the people that smoke it find it extremely fun, and an enjoyable experience.




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    #3074174 - 08/31/04 02:26 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

WEll, if a person can't handle a drug responsibly, then they shouldn't use them at all.


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    #3074207 - 08/31/04 02:33 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Drugs are not for the weak minded. Everyone has a limit, live, learn, and move on.




It's more the durration and amount. Up untill I realized it was making me psychotic (which started recently) I was dealing and smoking all day long. My mind was stronger and now it is weakenned. I simply over did it.

I believe if I smoked less, then the same thing would occur months weeks or maybe years down the road anyways.

I'm just railing because I have many years of smoking to withdraw from.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: iluan]
    #3074212 - 08/31/04 02:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

And just to add, as with all things, moderation is key.


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    #3074221 - 08/31/04 02:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't mean to cut you down, but if a user cannot be disciplined enough to put a drug down, then they shoudln't be using it in the first place.




I don't want to put it down and I never did. I have to.

The dissodence this creates in my soul torchers me.


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Amen for moderation.


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    #3074277 - 08/31/04 02:44 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Drugs can exacerbate mental problems, it sounds like Schizophrenia not cannabis, is your problem.




I  tried telling the docs that, but they said that I have so much brain dammage from the abuse that I have become psychotic because of it.  I did try to argue against it, but I was wrong.  I have also heard of three other cases of this from asking around.

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If Cannabis caused all the horrible(overblown) problems of which SOME speak, then all the suffering , and sick, medical patients would be saying , shit I hear voices , this cannabis is not the right medicine etec etc.

They dont, because Cannabis has always BEEN and will always BE, good medicine.





As a medicine, I know it works.  This girl I met who suffers pain from past cancer said it really helps.  But then again, any meds taken over time take thier toll.

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And if you want to tell me different , you can contact my doctor, or one of the medical cannabis clubs I am a part of :wink:




I agree it has med uses,  there is much we do not know.  I abused it and fell slave to it for recreation.  I still don't believe in prohibition because all it does is make abuse more likely.  Prohibition makes the drug seem cool and rebellious.

Seriously, over time, pot will cause at least a stupor in most people.  I may just have a sensative nerve system to this, but how is the average person supposed to have knowledge about his nerve system and the risks he/she takes when they partake in pot?


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: iluan]
    #3074296 - 08/31/04 02:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Just because it fucked up your life doesn't make it wrong for all.  Hell my nephew OD'd on coke.. do i think coke is not for everyone? NO..he is the one that didn't know his limit, he is the one that made the wrong choice.  I would never condem everyone else for the mistakes of one person, whether i think it's right or wrong, good or bad.  :rasta:




Honestly it was my own fault.  But pot is not to be looked at as innocent.  It has it's faults like any other medicine, drug, food or substance.

Now if you want to argue right or wrong, good and evil; that's a differant debate!


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MOTH]
    #3074313 - 08/31/04 02:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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the weed can still burn you if abused.



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Key words: if abused!! Anything can be detrimental if it is abused, guys.




Even if just used, the effects in old age are unknown. If you could live to be a thousand years old, smoking every week would hurt you when you are several hundred years old. It would eventually catch up.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Redstorm]
    #3074325 - 08/31/04 02:51 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I've smoked since I was 16, but i have no problems with it. I can buy an eighth and it will last me a month. It all boils down to being able to control yourself enough not to do it all the time.

If you have an addictive personality, then you will have trouble.




I don't want to get into how much you smoke when you sell. It varies with the market. I'm out of the game now.

Pot can no longer be a part of my life.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3074328 - 08/31/04 02:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

lol good thing i don't wana live so long i can't wipe my own ass then! :cool:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3074345 - 08/31/04 02:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

It's good to see you accept responsibility for your health. I respect you as a person so much more just for that reason. I hope you get better, buddy. :heart:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MOTH]
    #3074353 - 08/31/04 02:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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What about self-responsibility, Magnum?

I am in no way belittling your condition right now, but the weed could've cared less if you smoked it. Are you angry because weed is painted as a "harmless" drug?

If that is the case, then I sympathize with you. No drug should be given the label of "harmless."




I am mostly angry because I DO NOT WANT TO QUIT!!!!!

It makes me want to cry that this wonderful thing has turned into a horrible beast and consumed my sanity in my life.

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On the same page though, I think it is important to note that you were the one who smoked it. Nobody takes responsibility for their own actions anymore these days.




I smoked, sold, smoked, sold. I did it, I made choices, what I am going though is mostly my fault catalyzed by many differant things in life. Of course the pot is addictive too, but I let it addict me.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3074365 - 08/31/04 02:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I gota give props to all to actually have a civilized discussion without getting ugly.  :rasta:
This is why i luv da pub!


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #3074389 - 08/31/04 03:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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You need to chill out and stop blaming your issues on cannabis. Im tired of running into people who cant accept their actions and the consequences of their actions and instead have to find a scapegoat for their problems.




No one got me into this mess but me. I chose to smoke the cannibis. The cannibis ruined my mind. That's all I have to say.

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Weed will not put you on Depakote. Ive been on depakote for 3 years. Cannabis is the only drug ive ever had that literaly melted the stress off and made me friendly.




How do you know? You are anot going through what I am going through and in the words of KDC "I'm not the only one." I have heard of three other instances where this happenned, but one of them did alot of acid too (that's just flashbacks).


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3074396 - 08/31/04 03:02 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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What about self-responsibility, Magnum?

I am in no way belittling your condition right now, but the weed could've cared less if you smoked it.  Are you angry because weed is painted as a "harmless" drug? 

If that is the case, then I sympathize with you.  No drug should be given the label of "harmless." 




I am mostly angry because I DO NOT WANT TO QUIT!!!!!

It makes me want to cry that this wonderful thing has turned into a horrible beast and consumed my sanity in my life.

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On the same page though, I think it is important to note that you were the one who smoked it.  Nobody takes responsibility for their own actions anymore these days.




I smoked, sold, smoked, sold.  I did it, I made choices, what I am going though is mostly my fault catalyzed by many differant things in life.  Of course the pot is addictive too, but I let it addict me.




I wish you all the best.  I have been impressed with your responses in this thread.  May everyone learn from your story.  :heart:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3074406 - 08/31/04 03:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Its always good to smoke some chronic from time to time. Of course alot of weed abusers are saying negative things about it because they abused of it and therefore it treated them bad.

Me, i smoke it for the same reason Bob Marley did, to get a lift from reality.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Redstorm]
    #3074434 - 08/31/04 03:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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It's good to see you accept responsibility for your health. I respect you as a person so much more just for that reason. I hope you get better, buddy. :heart:




Thanks man, I need prayer.  I'm shoulder deep in the drug world and I can't just get myself out at the snap of a finger.

I know God can help me.  Thanks for your support, man!  :crazy:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: iluan]
    #3074443 - 08/31/04 03:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I like the spiritual forum better, but the pub is cool.

OTD is just discusting and I know they smile when I say that.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3074463 - 08/31/04 03:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Marijuana is the only drug i can do every day and still maintain, a good social, work, and academic life.  I love it.  I dont see it hindering me in anyway.  If ima be lazy, ill be lazy with out weed.

I just try and use it as a reward.  Finish writing the paper, bong tokes!!!  Just got back from long day at work, doobie time.

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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MOTH]
    #3074465 - 08/31/04 03:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I wish you all the best.  I have been impressed with your responses in this thread.  May everyone learn from your story.  :heart:




Thanks!  :crazy:

I hope people learn too, that's why I was posting this, so people can learn and be safeguarded from destroying themselves.  You are mad cool, Ellemy.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Redstorm]
    #3074469 - 08/31/04 03:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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WEll, if a person can't handle a drug responsibly, then they shouldn't use them at all.




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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3074472 - 08/31/04 03:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I'm certainly not going to say it's impossible that weed may have caused some of your mental problems. As far as what we know about the brain, it's still pretty much terra incognita. Perhaps your nervous system is exceptionally sensitive to it and it may be wise for you not to use marijuana. Best of luck with your recovery. :smile:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3074474 - 08/31/04 03:16 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I am going to say this a nicely as possible.........


You are YOUNG , confuzed , depressed, and I am sorry but when it comes to Cannabis you dont know what you are talking about.

I will talk facts with you, I will discuss science, but what I wont do is get into a well its bad well its good arguement.


Because you may have seen some things and I may have seen some things, but what this all boils down to in the end is SCIENCE.

The question , Is Cannabis a dangerous and addictive substance, well I dont mean to sound arrogant, but anyone that belives it is, has LITTLE if ANY education on the issue.

Do you stay current with latest studies and books???, Ever read MArijuana Myths , Marijuana facts???

Oh!, and by the way, I DONT DEFEND POT!!!!!!

I defend Clean, flushed, organically grown Cannabis.
There is a HUGE differeence. :wink:

Sorry but as the science stands, Cannabis in known the world over to be a safe medicine, even if some people arent yet up to date,and  government agencies in some countries still parade out  lies, exagerations, and bunk science, which slows the flow of relible information. :yesnod:


Do some reading, then tell me Cannabis is dangerous.

(if you are getting that upset its not the cannabis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, like another "pot junkie" that posted maybe you are just unhappy with life , ever consider that its your life and your day to day activity thats got you down??

When I was really depressed(years ago, while young :wink: ) I felt that all sort of things sucked,these days I am happier then ever....Cannabis didnt heal or pain me, I did it to myself.


Love?? and Health??

Do you have those??

Regardless of what some of us may SAY, we all want to love and be loved, and we all want to feel well. :laugh:  :heart:  :thumbup:

Maybe you need a girl, not a plant in your life right now.

Personally right now I need a plant in my life :lol: , but if the right girl comes along :thumbup: (but maybe I will wait until after I have some actual (working)money in my pocket again and a HOME, and some food to cal my own :laugh: )


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Organic]
    #3074486 - 08/31/04 03:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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A lot of people get "anxiety" from smoking. Is it because they see their ego from a more detached perspective and cannot handle it?





I think marijuana gives some people paranoia because it enforces the ego. Just my opinion though. I like it for recreation, but haven't used it in years and don't plan on anytime soon.


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    #3074497 - 08/31/04 03:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

lol a good plant and a good girl now that = key to happy life!


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MAGnum]
    #3074540 - 08/31/04 03:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

actually, weed dose not cause psycosis, if it did, I would be in the nut house by now, especilly after my wayyyy to many very good brownioe expiriance.


Booze on the other hand, is very well known to cause psycosis, never heard of alcoholic psycosis? but I belive that in your case, you probably have some form of schizophrenia, belive it or not. the doctors told you it was drugs, because that's what doctors do. they don't knwo everything, especilly when it concerns matters of drugs. you think feeding kids aderall and prozac is a good idea? it's posible that drug use brought out your schizophrenia, but I'm willing to bet it would have emerged even if you didn't use.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: iluan]
    #3074579 - 08/31/04 03:38 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Be honest, don't even bother lying, its bad karma.

If you have some good herb around, you smoke that shit all day everyday until its gone don't you....

Like I said, DO NOT LIE. If it's around you won't just pass up smoking a J. People say it enhances everything they do, so why woulden't they stay high all day? They do, this is addiction, your ego just masks addiction through denial.

Marijuana is very addictive, end of story.

Heres the TEST:

All you pot smokers I want you to not touch weed for 2 whole weeks. Not a single hit. "oh well I don't have to prove anything to him" What's that? that was your ego talking you out of it.

Seriously go 2 weeks without hitting your pipe and then you'll see how addictive it really is. It's easy to say you're not addicted to something when you can hit it or buy it easier than gas at a gas station.

And for the person who said "If you aren't responsible or don't have a strong mind, you shoulden't be using drugs or youll get addicted". If you were responsible and had a strong mind you woulden't be smoking weed in the first place.

Drugs of any kind take away your strength, your character and your will power and you won't even notice it happening.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3074596 - 08/31/04 03:40 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I have!


I went to jail for over 2 weeks, SUPRISE!, no WD!!!!
geez ,man, the science is clear, its 2004 brother :laugh:

I did feel kinda shitty about being in jail though. :wink:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3074601 - 08/31/04 03:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

2 weeks? I ahve gone wayyyy longer bro, just because you don't have self controle, dosen't mean no one does.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #3074604 - 08/31/04 03:42 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't say you woulden't stop if you were forced. Even crackheads stop smoking crack in jail. I said stop while YOU STILL HAVE IT AVAILABLE.

gdman, I shoot up coke and heroin every now and then with self control that rivals ghandi.

A pothead will never admit that they're addicted, just like a crack whore won't admit she's addicted when she sucks dick for crack.

I've seen many many people in my days who haven't missed a day of smoking up for MULTIPLE YEARS. They only admit its addictive when they stop doing it.

GDMAN, you might not be addicted to weed but im saying that the potential remains and many people are.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3074618 - 08/31/04 03:45 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Drugs of any kind take away your strength, your character and your will power and you won't even notice it happening.




I disagree with that, because I see the benefits of using entheogens in my life.  They are powerful teachers and I treat each experience with complete respect.  Scream denial all you want, but it's my existence and I think I would know more then you.  :sun:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3074633 - 08/31/04 03:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

lol i have an endless supply and i'm not high atm so without lying i don't stay high all day and i could very easily.. hell ask anyone who knows me well on here and they can confirm when i wana smoke i do when i don't i don't.  I smoke pot for me, and i could care less what everyone says or thinks about it  :cool:  BTW i've seen people psycologically addicted to pot, i know it can happen i lived with her for 5 years and she was addicted, but that's not everyone.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: MOTH]
    #3074638 - 08/31/04 03:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Do you even know the definition of an entheogen is? We're talking about people casually taking a drug to get high. Not african tribes members taking ayahuasca in a ritual.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3074701 - 08/31/04 04:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

If you think marijuana is really addictive than you havent been addicted to anything else.

When i stopped taking valiums and hydrocodones after a couple months binge i was sick to my guts for weeks. Marijuana has never given me withdrawal that bad.

You need to get your facts straight and stop spouting out opinion likes its gospel.


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    #3074763 - 08/31/04 04:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Of course I know what an entheogen is.

And African tribes using Ayahuasca? Where'd you get that from? As far as I know the vine only grows in South America.

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We're talking about people casually taking a drug to get high.




Yeah, after you edited the post where you made a blanket statement and said
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Drugs of any kind take away your strength, your character and your will power and you won't even notice it happening.





So thanks for clarifying if you didn't mean that. What I was trying to say was in response to that above quote, which is that drug use can be either positive or negative, but I make sure that it is positive for me.

If all your saying is that the potential is there to become psychologically drawn and addicted to weed, then okay. I was responding to the above quote in my last post.


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    #3074831 - 08/31/04 04:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

let me clarify, I've gone way longer without weed, haveing lots of weed around, under my own free will.

you say crackheads stop somking in jail, you know how many drugs are in jail?

you clearly have never been addicted to anything.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3074931 - 08/31/04 05:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Your logic doesnt make sense!!!!!!


How can you say this......

"gdman, I shoot up coke and heroin every now and then with self control that rivals ghandi.

A pothead will never admit that they're addicted, just like a crack whore won't admit she's addicted when she sucks dick for crack. "


What about you????

So your so special??? :rolleyes:

You can SHOOT hard drugs and your totally in control ??, yet me and other Cannabis users are doomed to cannabis addiction, and chips covered shirts ??

I dont think so.

I can also use opiates with control(but I would NEVER shoot), so how can you belive some people like yourself, can have control when it comes to hard drugs, yet you cant picture a pothead with control???

Let me help you, I worked my ass off today!, I am fit, intellegent, well liked, honest, and most of all motivated.

Sure man pass me thr needle , but watch out Cannabis is addictive and it makes people lazy :rolleyes:

Read what you said about Cannabis the next time you shoot up :rolleyes:


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    #3074941 - 08/31/04 05:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

what I'm really not getting, like said above, you hate feeling lethargic, but you use opiates :confused:


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    #3074954 - 08/31/04 05:12 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

and keep telling yourself that your in controle with your iv speedballs, because one day you will find yourself with quite the monkey on your back, and you will truely learn what it means to be addicted. Ask anyone here who has at one point been an addict.


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    #3075117 - 08/31/04 06:03 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

This is so far gone its not even worth the time to explain my standpoint anymore. Maybe you should all very slowly read the posts I've made instead of skimming through them.

My last words are this: I treat cocaine and heroin with knowledge, with respect, I enjoy what they offer once maybe every 5 months.

Without respect I would abuse these drugs. Without knowledge of their addiction potential, I would abuse these drugs. People who smoke weed should know this isen't some substance sent from god or bhudda or whatever your religion, for you to enjoy abundantly and care-free it comes with a price to pay as any substance does if not respected.


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    #3075126 - 08/31/04 06:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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most every addict I've ever encountered started slowly, with caution, no one just starts using heroin every day.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: gdman]
    #3075134 - 08/31/04 06:06 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I actually haven't in 7 months and I don't plan to anymore because there are FAR to many interesting substances out there to get addicted to just one.


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    #3075137 - 08/31/04 06:06 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

No drug is sent from any God. That much is simple. It is delusional to think otherwise.

Any drug is fine when practiced with moderation.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Redstorm]
    #3075151 - 08/31/04 06:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Moderation indeed. My whole point is many people think marijuana does NOT require moderation because of the "harmless", natural concept they've been fed.

Also that you can do cocaine and heroin in MODERATION and be enjoy it too, the problem is not many people can/desire to do it in moderation, but if you can then you can enjoy 2 great substances as well as many others in a perfect ballance.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3075168 - 08/31/04 06:11 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I agree somewhat. Some people can function when smoking daily, but many more can not.

Like I said earlier, I can't smoke during the day b/c I get really tired, but I am fine if I smoke at night. I think people just need to know their limits and be disciplined enough not to push themselves over their breaking point.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Redstorm]
    #3075190 - 08/31/04 06:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

sativa =day time
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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: iluan]
    #3075216 - 08/31/04 06:23 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

All we get is crappy low-grade Indica around here. :frown:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3075246 - 08/31/04 06:33 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"This is so far gone its not even worth the time to explain my standpoint anymore. Maybe you should all very slowly read the posts I've made instead of skimming through them."

I read every last word, but did you read our points??

Science is the way to prove this one way or another, and as it stands, I've got the science and you've got your opinion.

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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #3075267 - 08/31/04 06:40 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Science? alright, call up any drug treatment facility and ask how many people are there for plain ole marijuana.

"More than 320,000 people seek treatment per year for their primary marijuana addiction. In addition, animal studies suggest marijuana causes physical dependence, and some people report withdrawal symptoms."

National Household Survey on Drug Abuse (NHSDA)

Narconon, a popular drug treatment facility says Marijuana is their #1 most commonly assisted drug rehabilitation as far as number of people involved.


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Most marijuana rehab patients are forced to be there to satisfy their probationary status.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Redstorm]
    #3075285 - 08/31/04 06:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

How often is someone forced to go through a court-ordered rehab facility for smoking pot? Especially if it WASENT ADDICTIVE.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3075288 - 08/31/04 06:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to bed.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Redstorm]
    #3075295 - 08/31/04 06:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Most marijuana rehab patients are forced to be there to satisfy their probationary status.




ie jail time or rehab


what would you pick  :rolleyes:


then the anti-drug groups say many people are in rehab for pot, but they omit that small detail  :rolleyes:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3075296 - 08/31/04 06:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

It happens all the time, my friend got a possession charge, and was forced to go. It doesn't matter to the Gov. if it's addictive, it's illegal, so any use = abuse to them.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: gdman]
    #3075297 - 08/31/04 06:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

You betcha.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Redstorm]
    #3075314 - 08/31/04 06:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

What about the people who openly admit that marijuana is addictive? Which is ALOT.

You may say "thats them" but theyre humans with many of the same biological functions as yourself.

Are you saying marijuana is not at all addictive or are you saying as long as you keep in moderation it's fine?

I agree with moderation but I still strongly stand to say that marijuana can be very psychologically addictive with extended abuse.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3075325 - 08/31/04 06:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Also, it takes balls to say you're addicted to POT so more people than not just don't say anything. I've still encountered numerous people who have told me flat out that to them, it is very addictive.


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    #3075330 - 08/31/04 06:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I say with moderation, you SHOULD be fine, but everyone's body works differently, and some people are just more prone to addiction than others. Anything can be addictive, marijuana included.


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    #3075403 - 08/31/04 07:39 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Pot is somewhat less mentally addictive than sugar. I really don't see how you could call pot addictive when you say you have experienced speed balls. When i smoke pot regularly, i have a life and i also smoke pot. When i do heroin/blow regularly, i do heroin/blow and then theres everything else.

Having a strong affinity to do something, something that you can do often if you want does mean you have an addiction. For an addiction, i would say the drug must surpass all of Maslow's heirarchy of needs.


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When you're stoned you can just sit there and not get bored.


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    #3075637 - 08/31/04 09:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"For an addiction, i would say the drug must surpass all of Maslow's heirarchy of needs."

i.e. Going without food, sleep etc.

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    #3075713 - 08/31/04 09:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

For me, the biggest reason to look at bud as better than thinks like coke/meth is that no one dies from bud :wink:

The high effects everyone differently. I particularly enjoy it and smoke every day, when possible. I don't have an ounce of fat on me, and I have a full-time job. You are right that bud is mentally addictive, and I have had many friends who were quite severely mentally addicted to it. Mental addiction is just a question of will power, though. If I go a day (or days) without a toke, I don't go crazy or have withdrawl...but I do wish I had some. I don't find that to be a problem as long as it doesn't interfere with my life.

Also: my mind does wonderously funny (to me) things while I'm high (and yes, it IS a high). I happen to enjoy being mellowed out, with a nice body buzz and a mind in the clouds. :smile:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: iluan]
    #3075750 - 08/31/04 09:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

well man your intitled to your opinion
im not gonna bad mouth ya just cus your not into weed
im not into meth or coke
we can still be freinds :laugh: :hug: (stoner hug)

alls im saying is siting under the stars with a few buddys and a couple of guitars and a bass with a nice pipe to toke cant be beat




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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3075987 - 08/31/04 10:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

all of you people are missing a very important reason for the pothead to regular pot user ratio. marijuana is illegal and because of that fact people have to search it out or are offered it by people that have. people that are willing to go out and find it and break the law are more likely to be the type to abuse it. When prohibition came into effect early last century most people stopped drinking. except those who liked to abuse it or simply weren't afraid of the law. pointing out that a relatively high percentage of people who use weed tend to abuse it sometimes or even all the time is just like those in the 20's who said "look everyone who drinks is an alcoholic!". the problem with that is that most people who didn't abuse it just didn't drink at all so it seemed that who ever drank had to be an alcoholic. if you legalized marijuana there would be millions of more people that just used it occasionally in social settings, like once or twice a month, just like most people drink today because it is legal. making something illegal just causes those who aren't prone to abuse it to stop, leaving those who abuse it due to lack of mental maturity and those who enjoy it occasionally because they realize it shouldn't be illegal. This is what causes the misconception that marijuana is so addictive.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3075997 - 08/31/04 10:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

im pretty stoned right now :laugh:
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    #3076010 - 08/31/04 10:30 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

also I enjoy weed on occasion. its fun and harmless to those with a sound mind. and I think my earlier post should help some people see things from a different perspective.


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    #3076197 - 08/31/04 11:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

weed is the best, you dont know what yor are talking about?? I diagree with you entirely...it is so natural, epecially now days chronic, I dont even smoke anything less...I won't smoke midgrade quality.. or less....I <3 weed.!!!!....the stinkier the better!!! Skunk budddssss!!! weed makes life worth living...I have been looking forward to getting high for over a week...I hit the bionic chronic and is such a nice feeling!!


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    #3076375 - 08/31/04 11:53 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I just got high, right now, gives me the perfect feeling at night.


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    #3076389 - 08/31/04 11:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

...herb is good anytime of the day...I find it easier to read and study high..I am more relaxed..it is good at night too...and when you first wake up too....


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    #3076402 - 08/31/04 11:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

hehe i think piller ment to reply to someones post besides mine, heaven knows how i feel about the herb  :smirk:


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wake and bake :laugh:


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:cool:  yeh figured ya meant that.  :cool:


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    #3076603 - 09/01/04 01:47 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Weed is a much better drug than cocaine, and while lots of pot smokers are lazy, junk food eating losers, there are plenty of active, intelligent pot smokers as well. I steer clear of cocaine, ecstacy, and meth because I'm disturbed by the idea of REAL brain damage, or dying of a heart attack, or psychosis. Heroin, I avoid because it is a real addiction, sure it's false to say that pot is not addictive, but if you've ever known a real heroin addict, you'd know how ridiculous it is to compare the two.

I've done cocaine, ecstasy, and a variety of opiates in my life, and I don't regret it. There might even be certain circumstances where I'd do them again. But the people I know who regularly do these drugs tend to be far less healthy than the regular pot smokers I know. I run and bike on a daily basis, and I go to work and school, and eat a relatively healthy diet. I also smoke a lot of weed. I have quite a few friends who are the same way. I've known plenty of fat, lazy people who won't touch weed. I think some people smoke weed as an excuse to be lazy, because they're naturally lazy people.

You can enjoy whatever drugs you like, but don't give me a bunch of shit about how terrible weed is, just so you can justify the guilt you feel for doing lots of coke and e.


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    #3076604 - 09/01/04 01:48 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

fucking lazy stoners. sitting on your couch stuffing your face with food. fucking couch potato's what the hell do you think your doing?. damn pot smokers. smoke some pot then go excersize dammit. lazy shitheads. :tongue2:

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    #3076618 - 09/01/04 02:00 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry, I just had to reply to this particular post, it's absolutely ridiculous.


Also remember, for any foreign substance to effect the body in any way it must bind to receptors meant for natural chemicals in the body. For example: The only reason Heroin and Opiates of any kind cause you to feel good and calm and euphoric is because it binds to the same receptor that ENDORPHINS bind to, therefor the body experiences much of the same symptoms of runners high, synthetically.


Eh? So? Are you trying to imply that the fact that cannabinoids bind to receptors is somehow harmful?


Likewise, cannabinoids bind to some receptor in our brain meant to mediate the effects of battling anxiety, producing hunger, calming nerves, and so forth. Proof that THC can infact become physically addictive. The ONLY reason it is not recognized is because the symptoms of cessation from long term chronic marijuana use are not properly documented as no study has yet to subject humans to an "illegal" substance and then study the long term problems that arise.


Actually, TONS of studies have been done. I get the feeling you didn't even search PubMed...
Goto: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi and search for marijuana, or marijuana addiction. You'll find hundreds of studies done on the effects of marijuana. From withdrawl symtoms (existant, but minor compared to many other drugs), or long term effect on IQ (doesn't really look like anything).


Smoking weed occasionally is not going to mess up your ballance, it takes a while, smoking everyday for over 3 weeks is likely to begin the reactions.


Why do I get the funny feeling that you just typed that sentance because it 'felt' true, not because it's based on any research or evidence?


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Phluck]
    #3077167 - 09/01/04 06:59 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Uh, I said cannabinoids bind to a receptor somewhere in the body that natural chemicals bind to, sort of like a substitute.


and I say the 3 weeks because it doesent matter WHEN it starts thats an approximation but in my experience people dont become heavy pot smokers overnight.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3077173 - 09/01/04 07:01 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

And the long term effects on the IQ are documented as I myself have read several studies in the past year. I've also never really known an intelligent or witty pot smoker since their mental stimulation is derived from watching the matrix and staring at things for long periods of time.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3077182 - 09/01/04 07:04 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

God, its way too fucking early to be argueing the effects of MJ to a bunch of pot enthusiests.

Smoke your pot just catch my point when your sober: Pot is not as safe as your hippy and gangster friends tell you. Smoke up and enjoy, IN MODERATION.

thats the only point I'm trying to make.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3077196 - 09/01/04 07:09 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

And to the person who says I have guilt for shooting up heroin and coke:

Actually I wear the substances I've done as a badge, not of some hinderance or misguiding of my youth that has now trampeled my good image.

Anyone who's embarressed for doing any drug has some serious social-acceptance issues.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3077391 - 09/01/04 08:44 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Uh, I said cannabinoids bind to a receptor somewhere in the body that natural chemicals bind to, sort of like a substitute.


and I say the 3 weeks because it doesent matter WHEN it starts thats an approximation but in my experience people dont become heavy pot smokers overnight.




I could be mistaken, but doesn't the human brain have receptors specifically for THC? Someone set me straight here.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Turd]
    #3077551 - 09/01/04 10:03 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Even if it does, it isent there so we can smoke marijuana and get high. It's there for natural cannabinoids that occur in the body.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3077816 - 09/01/04 11:45 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"I've also never really known an intelligent or witty pot smoker since their mental stimulation is derived from watching the matrix and staring at things for long periods of time."

That's called an idiot. Sure, lots of idiots smoke pot, but not all pot smokers are idiots. Just the ones who wear their pot smoking "like a badge". Just saying you know a bunch of dumb pot smokers doesn't prove anything.

Which studies are you referring to, I found this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...t_uids=14651500
"CONCLUSIONS: Findings support the view that cannabis use may act to decrease educational achievement in young people. It is likely that this reflects the effects of the social context within which cannabis is used rather than any direct effect of cannabis on cognitive ability or motivation."

and this:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...t_uids=11949984
"INTERPRETATION: Current marijuana use had a negative effect on global IQ score only in subjects who smoked 5 or more joints per week. A negative effect was not observed among subjects who had previously been heavy users but were no longer using the substance. We conclude that marijuana does not have a long-term negative impact on global intelligence. Whether the absence of a residual marijuana effect would also be evident in more specific cognitive domains such as memory and attention remains to be ascertained."

also this:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...st_uids=3262049
"Compared with a control group, the cannabis users were found to react slowly in perceptuo-motor tasks, but not to differ in intelligence or memory tests."

and to contrast that with say, cocaine, here's a study on the long term effects of that:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...t_uids=14591987
"Results suggested significant residual impairment in verbal learning efficiency subsequent to chronic cocaine use that results from memory storage difficulties rather than attentional impairment or general intellectual reduction."

Already the pot smoker has shown a better ability to actively research his point, and back it up with facts instead of anecdotal evidence, which is completely meaningless.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3077820 - 09/01/04 11:46 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"Even if it does, it isent there so we can smoke marijuana and get high. It's there for natural cannabinoids that occur in the body."

One might also argue that the stomach wasn't put there to digest protein shakes and vitamin pills, but people are taking those things without any negative effects.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Phluck]
    #3077992 - 09/01/04 12:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:
"Even if it does, it isent there so we can smoke marijuana and get high. It's there for natural cannabinoids that occur in the body."

One might also argue that the stomach wasn't put there to digest protein shakes and vitamin pills, but people are taking those things without any negative effects.




Look what happens when we eat vitamins on an empty stomach.... Look what happens when we use heroin to bind to endorphin receptors. It's not naturally there for the purpose of intentionally abusing or using it, it's there because of the patterns involved in the evolution of ALL biological species and plants.

For example, cocaine effects MANY MANY animals in many of the same ways it does humans, because we share the same principles in rewarding our behavior. Testosterone effects many many animals in the same ways it does humans too: It adds muscle, adds fierceness, adds dominance. We're all growing and evolving in a way to correlates to every other life and plant form therefor if a plant so happens to create a chemical that just so happens to exist in our own bodies too, its not that it was put in that plant for us to smoke. Although we may choose to do so there is significant danger in purposely throwing our bodies out of ballance in a frequent manner.



AS FOR IQ STUDIES:

Heres just one of many I can find if I invest the time in doing so:

# Current and former marijuana use: preliminary findings of a longitudinal study of effects on IQ in young adults.


Fried P, Watkinson B, James D, Gray R.
Department of Psychology, Carleton University, Ottawa, Ont. peter_fried@carleton.ca

BACKGROUND: Assessing marijuana's impact on intelligence quotient (IQ) has been hampered by a lack of evaluation of subjects before they begin to use this substance. Using data from a group of young people whom we have been following since birth, we examined IQ scores before, during and after cessation of regular marijuana use to determine any impact of the drug on this measure of cognitive function. METHODS: We determined marijuana use for seventy 17- to 20-year-olds through self-reporting and urinalysis. IQ difference scores were calculated by subtracting each person's IQ score at 9-12 years (before initiation of drug use) from his or her score at 17-20 years. We then compared the difference in IQ scores of current heavy users (at least 5 joints per week), current light users (less than 5 joints per week), former users (who had not smoked regularly for at least 3 months) and non-users (who never smoked more than once per week and no smoking in the past two weeks). RESULTS: Current marijuana use was significantly correlated (p < 0.05) in a dose-related fashion with a decline in IQ over the ages studied. The comparison of the IQ difference scores showed an average decrease of 4.1 points in current heavy users (p < 0.05) compared to gains in IQ points for light current users (5.8), former users (3.5) and non-users (2.6). INTERPRETATION: Current marijuana use had a negative effect on global IQ score only in subjects who smoked 5 or more joints per week. A negative effect was not observed among subjects who had previously been heavy users but were no longer using the substance. We conclude that marijuana does not have a long-term negative impact on global intelligence. Whether the absence of a residual marijuana effect would also be evident in more specific cognitive domains such as memory and attention remains to be ascertained.

PMID: 11949984 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3078005 - 09/01/04 12:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

jesus man, you come here on a message board that caters to stoners (I don't know of many people who eat mushrooms that don't smoke weed) and your bashing weed, what do you expect to happen?


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3078079 - 09/01/04 01:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Dude, that's the same study I posted, read the whole thing...

Second last sentence: "We conclude that marijuana does not have a long-term negative impact on global intelligence."

C'mon, surely you can do better than that, what with your mind being all sharp and whatnot from not smoking pot.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Phluck]
    #3078143 - 09/01/04 01:39 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

What about short term? If you keep smoking and never cease for a long term then thats the same as long term lowering of the IQ.

I'm also not bashing weed smokers at all, I'm debating the effects of MJ.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #3078185 - 09/01/04 01:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"What about short term? If you keep smoking and never cease for a long term then thats the same as long term lowering of the IQ."

Kind of. The difference is, if it actually did have a long term lowering of your IQ, the longer you smoked for, the lower it would get. In this particular study, people who smoke heavily show a relatively small decrease in IQ points while they are smoking heavily, and it goes back up to normal when they stop.

Also, considering that 4.1 IQ points is hardly anything, and IQ tests aren't even that great a measurement of abilities in the real world, I'm not too concerned.

I can do lots of cognitive tasks while stoned, there are some that are more difficult to do, like computer programming (I can think up solutions more easily while stoned, I just lose track of what I'm doing while implementing them), so I schedule my smoking accordingly.

Weed is less addictive than coke, e, meth, or heroin. The health effects are far less severe (except, perhaps, for VERY strictly controlled heroin use), and the effects on the brain are far less (again except for heroin, never heard of any long term brain damage from heroin). It's stupid to claim that it's completely unaddictive, or that smoking it doesn't put you at a greater risk for lung cancer, but there's no way you can deny that it's safer to use than those drugs, even regularly.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: Phluck]
    #3078440 - 09/01/04 03:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

holy.. we still on this one.. damn let me roll one up and contimplate all this new info


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #11733687 - 12/28/09 07:23 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

I2ancid said:
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McKennaFan200 said:
The "great" thing about bud is that it gets you high.  It doesn't blow your mind (usually), and people feel safe and comforted by the fact.  It's as natural as it can be.  I love blazing up a bowl because it makes me feel good, like any other drug I do.  It's a thing we pick up as a teenager, smoking bud is, and a lot of us never move on really.  But yeah, I love it and it loves me.




God, please dont use the "natural" claim its so overdone. Natural means "by nature" cocaine is as natural as your gonna get dude, morphine, hydrocodone, codeine, thebaine, DMT, etc etc all 100% NATURALALIS!

If anything, Marijuana is the LEAST natural because of all the mix breeding the strains have went through to imrpove potency under the hands of man.




Those are extracted snort a line and chew a couple of coca leaves, there's a difference. Morphine isnt as natural as opium where it comes from.. its extracted to make it easier to take the desired dose. You doing the apples and oranges thing again.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #11733900 - 12/28/09 07:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Listen here guy, I can choose to be a nonproductive being but I choose to be quite exceptional and I choose to smoke literally tons of maryjane. I also make all of my meals, lean protein and lots of veggies. Even when I get the never ending munchies, it is harder than anything I have ever had to do because such pleasure comes from eating the foods we love especially carby foods which happen to be my favorite too. You can smoke heavily and live a healthy, productive lifestyle but it will always be fairly difficult.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: LadySativa]
    #11733987 - 12/28/09 08:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

read OP, non of the other thread
i agree. weed is not a high, i prefer the expression "stoned"
and yes, its can be mental addictive to some, just as the video games, tv or peanut butter can be mentally addictive to some.
that terminology holds no meaning to me

i have severely lost my fondness for weed in the last couple months
it makes me too damn tired nowadays
also i always get a groggy sorta feel, and headaches all the time
but we all have different body chemistry's so i having nothing personal against the drug
in fact i was pretty head over heals for cannabis when i first started


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    #11734149 - 12/28/09 08:54 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #11734420 - 12/28/09 09:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

go smoke a bowl and do something you don't really like. then youllthink it's fin. like watching the cooking channel or stock market. go to a skate park. set some sativa and stop complaining


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #19094499 - 11/06/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes if you're high you would probably score lower on an IQ test, but saying that there is no long-term effect on global intelligence (aka IQ) means that once you aren't high, even if you got high everyday for years, your sober IQ would be the same as it was before you ever started smoking.

The only real dangers of cannabis are that they can potentiate mental illness (i.e. someone who would've eventually developed schizophrenia will possibly develop it earlier if they smoke cannabis). The only reason many think cannabis makes people dumb losers is because cannabis attracts these type of people to begin with, as it makes doing nothing fun.  Therefore, if you are a "loser" to begin with cannabis might appeal to you as it will make doing nothing more fun. Having said that, many intelligent (and not loser-ish) people are also attracted to cannabis for different reasons (allowing one's thoughts to flow more freely etc.)

Having taken many neuropharmacology classes for my major (Neuroscience) everything I have learned points to the fact that cannabis harms the brain far less than any other illegal drug (or alcohol for that matter).  Even professors who could have their jobs put on the line for saying such a statement have freely said in classes of mine that Marijuana is a fairly harmless drug for mentally stable people.

Woah got caught up reading this debate and didn't realize how old this post was. Sorry guys.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: I2ancid]
    #19094752 - 11/06/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Weed is a joke



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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: mellowparty]
    #19094755 - 11/06/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In minute doses its good for your brain. I'm talking one hit or less per day, not even enough to feel it but it does wonders for the viability of your brain cells.


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Re: Whats so great about weed???? [Re: mellowparty]
    #19094776 - 11/06/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

uhh, doing nothing all day is great if you have the free time as long as you do it in moderation just like everything else. no one wants one thing to consume their entire lives, unless they're like autistic or something


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    #19094788 - 11/06/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Its the greatest plant on earth. Theres nothing has clean and pure as a good weed high. Its medicinal, fun, and everything it should be


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