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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: backfromthedead]
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Those that experience this know exactly what the term means.


You are of course talking about an interpretation of a certain experience.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: backfromthedead]
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'He(Freud) thought of the ego as synonymous with consciousness and contrasted it with the repressed unconscious.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_psychology

I say that it is very possible to transcend ego while remaining conscious/aware to experience this 'repressed unconscious'.
If you think of it like in the image, it is only a part/one orbit of the whole considering consciousness/unconsciouness.

The way it feels to me is that when you ingest large amounts of psilocybin, it's action as a serotonin analogue lights up your neurons like a Christmas tree. The 'inspired' activity easily eclipses the action and intensity of the few networks used on a daily basis. Perhaps.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
Because you or mushroom trip (the animals things confuse me!) asked me to describe what i believe ego transcendence is in a few posts higher up... :smirk:


No, you are the individual who introduced the term in this thread, and the phrase "eg* transcendence". You can't say you are using the phrase "eg* transcendence" because one of us asked you what you meant in your usage of the phrase. One of us didn't ask you before you used it. :lol:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
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Those that experience this know exactly what the term means.


You are of course talking about an interpretation of a certain experience.


No mystery.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
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How can anyone who has not transcended ego call someone egotistical?

The very statement "your so egotistical" implies being able to have no or little ego?

If these sceptics had gone anywhere beyond egotistical then they would not be sceptics lol



Not really, it takes an ego to know and ego. There is no implication of no ego there. But we are all egotistical and self-important. Some of us just can't see it is all.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Icelander]
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I think of myself as having a gigantic "ego," inasmuch as I think A LOT about what other people are thinking, particularly what they are thinking about me, and I react accordingly on a constant basis.

Did I just describe myself or absolutely everyone present?


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


Edited by Tchan909 (03/27/08 02:37 PM)

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
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Someone who has a low level of ego will have eyes full of compassion and love for all beings as it is only our selfishness that keeps us from doing this, the ego is selfishness, the perception we are separate from everyhting else.


This definition of "ego" does not match any version of what the REST of us have agreed upon. If you want to discuss negative qualities of the ego (personality), then you may bring up selfishness, divisiveness, lack of empathy, etc...

Being loving, compassionate & viewing the universe as "all one" are ALL expressions of the ego (personality). To attempt to define these positive qualities as arising from something other than who you are is absurd.

We all may choose what the expression of our ego looks like...and it is as flexible or rigid as our thinking about ourselves. It seems to me that you may be circling around the idea that developing a flexible, positively-inclined ego construct would be beneficial for humankind. If so, I agree 100%.

If, however, you are claiming that one can "reduce" or "kill" or "eliminate" the ego, I must disagree vehemently. As long as we are alive, and not in a permanent vegetative state, we WILL have a personality. The expression of our consciousness WILL continue, for better or for worse, until death intervenes. Some of us will express our memories and our interpretations of current experiences via so-called "selfishness," some of us will do so through so-called "selfless" service to others. Both expressions are EGOIC.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: fireworks_god]
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No, you are the individual who introduced the term in this thread, and the phrase "eg* transcendence". You can't say you are using the phrase "eg* transcendence" because one of us asked you what you meant in your usage of the phrase. One of us didn't ask you before you used it.


You are SO stuck in linear time...


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
I see the purpose of philosophy as seeking to understand the nature of reality.


Sounds like science to me.

fireworks_god said:
Yes, its just that to you, but everyone has their own pet definition.


Everyone has their own unique definition for every word, some are just easier to relate than others. I think for the most part it seems we all agree what the ego is and what it's functions are. It's hard to describe an ego so it seems more loose of a definition than most, and it is certainly hard to grasp unless you've experienced some form of ego loss. Have you by the way? I can't see why you'd be arguing so intently if so.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: krypto2000]
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'...consciousness is of its own properties, transcendental as there is inclusive in it, itself and reflection of it.'

'...the material presence of things in turn proves the ontology of the object contemplating them. Ego is then nothing without something in which to contemplate but is reliant on itself and its being. Further, the flexibility of consciousness for Sartre is the ability to contemplate something in its absence, this being special for his idea of reflection.'

'In this way we are still only condemned to making ourselves as we battle with our own consciousness, and so we don’t create the world, we are objects in the world.'

-wiki


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said:
I think of myself as having a gigantic "ego," inasmuch as I think A LOT about what other people are thinking, particularly what they are thinking about me, and I react accordingly on a constant basis.

Did I just describe myself or absolutely everyone present?


Everyone I think.:lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Icelander]
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Thank you. :smile:


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


Edited by Tchan909 (03/28/08 01:46 AM)

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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I am God I am the experience in which life is born of and yada yada durka durka

who cares - no one

in fact the most intelligent will almost always certainly be in a linear time

Fuck my ego and fuck your ego... I still need my precious ego though so I can hold onto this world and live with my freaking brain.

God damn... it... why did this thread not get to the point

ego god love life soul spirit meaning experience shit fuck cunt whore

all those words are awesome but obviously ambivalent when used in THESE days. FUC KTTTT


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Guess what?; You...


A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
Sounds like science to me.


This is probably due to the fact that they are closely related.

fireworks_god said:
Everyone has their own unique definition for every word, some are just easier to relate than others.


Clearly. Some words share little consensual meaning, whereas words like "everyone", "has", "their", "own", etc. have established significant, consensual meaning.

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I think for the most part it seems we all agree what the ego is and what it's functions are.


This is quite the unsubstantiated statement. Any discussion of the eg* is complete with quite the varied conceptions of what the word refers to. By all means, enlighten us as to which definition of the word eg*it seems we all agree on, for the most part.

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and it is certainly hard to grasp unless you've experienced some form of ego loss. Have you by the way?


I'm not sure... what's the word mean? :strokebeard:

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I can't see why you'd be arguing so intently if so.


What does the word g*d mean to you? :sherlock:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
This is quite the unsubstantiated statement. Any discussion of the eg* is complete with quite the varied conceptions of what the word refers to. By all means, enlighten us as to which definition of the word eg*it seems we all agree on, for the most part.


I never denied that definitions of ego vary. I was just saying we all generally agree what it means. There are certain things we (most people I've talked to) can agree that the ego does. It gives you your sense of self, keeps you from being 'connected' with the outside world etc.

You seem to act like ego has absolutely no meaning. Am I wrong on this? There are certain things an ego is generally considered to entail, and certain things it does not. While there is no single definition everyone can entirely agree on, can you deny that there are general notions attributed to the ego?



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I can't see why you'd be arguing so intently if so.


What does the word g*d mean to you? :sherlock:


I don't see why this is related but I believe that everyones definition of god is in fact the same regardless of what religion you are but people do not realize this (because of their ego :wink:). To me god literally means everything and/or nothing. That is the best I can express it's meaning in words.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Lion]
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An Unger-ian skeptic could reply to you in a such a way...

"We use ordinarily language talk to make sense of the world around us, and it works for our practical purposes, but it need not represent the way things actually are"

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: deadatdusk]
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deadatdusk said:
An Unger-ian skeptic could reply to you in a such a way...

"We use ordinarily language talk to make sense of the world around us, and it works for our practical purposes, but it need not represent the way things actually are"


Are you saying he would reply to me that way? Cause I agree completely. How is that in opposition of my points?

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: krypto2000]
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Because no one cares to get to the point.


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Guess what?; You...


A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: allisthesame]
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:boring:  I quit

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: krypto2000]
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Good you should.


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Guess what?; You...


A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.

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