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For the sceptics...
    #8197612 -

Everyone here talks about ego,

"your so egotistical to think that"

"to think you are the universe is so egotistical"
(thats the worse one because to know the universe the 1st thing you have to do is transcend ego lol!)

How can anyone who has not transcended ego call someone egotistical?

The very statement "your so egotistical" implies being able to have no or little ego?

If these sceptics had gone anywhere beyond egotistical then they would not be sceptics lol

So to sceptics i ask what is a person if they have little ego? Are you that? If not then what gives you the right to call someone egotistical?

:peace::heart:


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Edited by Chronic7 (03/26/08 05:29 PM)

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8197671 -

Quote:
"to think you are the universe is so egotistical"


In regards to that I think you can look at it from two perspectives. One, I do believe that I am the universe, but because of that I believe I am everyone else. So from this perspective how can I be better or worse than anyone else? I am the exact same thing. In my opinion there is nothing egotistical about that.

On the other hand to think you are the center of the universe could imply that nothing is more important than you. That I would say is certainly egotistical which seems to be the perspective you are asking this from.

Quote:
For these sceptics that use the word ego yet seem to believe of nothing beyond ego...why do you use the word ego?


I believe there is nothing before the ego either :shrug:. You can't have a non ego without an ego. They are the same thing.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8197703 -

Having an 'ego' is healthy, as long as it is the servant, not the master. Being egotistical means indulging in a sense of self derived from feeling one is better than others. That, to me, is the difference.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Lion]
    #8197727 -

it is definately not in the i am the centre of the universe sense, that is just preposterous for someone to think that.

It is in the sense this piece of dirt under my foot is of the same exact value as i am. Realising the universe there is no ego involved, the ego is the very thing that believes itself to be separate and keeps you from realisation of being the universe.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Lion]
    #8197757 -

Quote:
Being egotistical means indulging in a sense of self derived from feeling one is better than others. That, to me, is the difference.



Is Tiger Woods not a better golfer than you?


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8197764 -

'Having an 'ego' is healthy, as long as it is the servant, not the master.'

Perfect.
After an all out ego assault reconstruction is necessary.:crazy:


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8197768 -

He is better at golf than me, not better or more complete as a person than me. He would not be indulging by believing the former as it would be obvious after a few holes; but the latter would be indulging in egotism.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Lion]
    #8197810 -

Quote:
He is better at golf than me, not better or more complete as a person than me.


Do you have any basis for this or just make it up?


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8197862 -

No human being is better than any other on the grounds that there is no ultimate arbiter for superiority and inferiority, and also because all of our traits are determined by our genetics and our conditioning.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8197867 -

OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
He is better at golf than me, not better or more complete as a person than me.


Do you have any basis for this or just make it up?


Well there is no point in being human. The only thing humans are supposed to do is be born and die. We all do that just fine. Anything else you choose to do doesn't make you better at being a person, it just makes you a different person.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8200010 -

Saying that you're the Universe is not egoistical, however, it is ignorant to say this in my opinion. We don't know the universe, he hardly know this planet or ourselves. Making a statement like this one is just wishful thinking. :shrug:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8200136 -

Chronic777 said:
Everyone here talks about ego,

"your so egotistical to think that"

"to think you are the universe is so egotistical"
(thats the worse one because to know the universe the 1st thing you have to do is transcend ego lol!)

How can anyone who has not transcended ego call someone egotistical?

The very statement "your so egotistical" implies being able to have no or little ego?

If these sceptics had gone anywhere beyond egotistical then they would not be sceptics lol

So to sceptics i ask what is a person if they have little ego? Are you that? If not then what gives you the right to call someone egotistical?

:peace::heart:


The Buddha was a skeptic. Skepticism is extremely healthy when timed right, just like anything else.

When you divide yourself off from skepticism, then your ego is saying you are not a skeptic. Right now, I'm skeptical of the fact that you are never skeptical about some things at some times.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8200169 -

> If these sceptics had gone anywhere beyond egotistical then they would not be sceptics

Ah yes, judging skeptics...

I fail to see the difference between a skeptic that has never transcended egoloss and a non-skeptic that has transcended egoloss, but has returned to the realm of duality.

If you are not the path, then you are egotistical; there is no in-between. Be wary of the ego inflating its sense of worth after having experienced something 'special'.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8200375 -

I never seriously read threads in which anyone tries to have a serious discussion about the "ego". :shrug:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8200383 -

fireworks_god said:
I never seriously read threads in which anyone tries to have a serious discussion about the "ego". :shrug:

Why is that?


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Lion]
    #8200392 -

Ooooh! Oooh! I know! I know! PICK ME PICK ME!


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: psyka]
    #8200397 -

You can answer but I'd prefer to hear it from the poster who made the statement. :tongue:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Seuss]
    #8200407 -

Quote:
Seuss said: duality.

If you are not the path, then you are egotistical; there is no in-between. Be wary of the ego inflating its sense of worth after having experienced something 'special'.



Werd. Its easy to feel like damn im sepcial after being catapultyed across the universe, but then you realise there was no person being catapulted, this "I" was long dead before i transcended this "I"

Im just asking them (skeptics) what would they percieve sumone having little ego as being like as a person?

And are they themselves like this?

If not then what gives them the right to call someone egotistical?

Thats all...

In the end someone who has little ego would never call someone "else" egotistical, as they don't see "others" they see "us"....its that simple.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Lion]
    #8200410 -

Well, here's a good reason:

Chronic777 said:
How can anyone who has not transcended ego call someone egotistical?


The term is far too ambiguous, and, far too often, it is never clearly defined. The term is almost as dirty as g*d. In fact, from here on out, I think I'll refer to it as "eg*". :wink:

I just think it is gay how, over and over again, these discussions arise in which people think the eg* topic is some dilemma to be explored and figured out. Rarely have I seen the meaning associated with the term eg* have any real reflection of the nature of reality itself. Just today I was reading a thread in which someone was referring to destroying the eg*. Its just nonsensical gibberish. :cuckoo:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: For the sceptics... *DELETED* [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8200416 -

Post deleted by Lion

Reason for deletion: .


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8200430 -

I can explain it (in a way that satisfies me).

There is form (body). Body is not "I" because body changes all the time. It is illogical to say my eye is me, or my arm is me, or my hair is me. Rather, it is possible to say these things are part of me, but they in and of themselves are not you.

There is feeling. Feelings change all the time. All feelings can be seen as pleasant/unpleasant. It is not logical to say, I am the feeling of happiness, because happiness rises and falls.

There is thought. We can't even control thought. Thought happens independently of our control and arise based on the conditions we create in our brains (which store memory and is considered part of body).

There is perception. This forum is a good example of how it is illogical to say I am my perception, because our perception of life changes all the time. Perception is based around the idea of a singular entity "self" and/or of impersonal experience.

There is consciousness. Goto sleep. No more consciousness.

All five of these things are present, and none of them are inherently us. Their rising and falling are ignored and we cling to them as if they are permanent and substantial. By doing this we create a "self." So it is important to discern their arising and passing, and to understand the process as it is.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

Edited by psyka (03/27/08 08:50 AM)

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: psyka]
    #8200444 -

psyka said:
I can explain it (in a way that satisfies me).


That's one of the main reasons I can't take eg* discussion seriously; just like g*d discussion, everyone feels the need to accept the term as being valid and then creates their own meaning for it. I wish that, just once, people would just discard these words that have no real consensual meaning and represent the concepts they are seeking to express for what they are.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8200454 -

But, isn't that the purpose of philosophy and all of these freaking words?


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: psyka]
    #8200529 -

I see the purpose of philosophy as seeking to understand the nature of reality. This is a collaborative effort, and there is no reason to continue to propagate memes that are extremely inefficient in representing the nature of reality. The purpose of philosophy isn't to continuously redefine a word that is incapable of representing its own meaning. If there is any valid meaning that an individual is attempting to express through using the term eg*, it would be more expedient, for the sake of philosophy, to express it more effectively.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8200668 -

Can I call it an orbit??
Feels like a distinct layer or circuit to me.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8200790 -

Can you call what an orbit? :shrug:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8200816 -

I give up, the people who this question was directed at obviously cant answer it...they will continue to call people egotistical for being spiritualists, which to me is just ridiculously funny!

Someone who transcends the selfishnes of our perceptions & lives with compassion and loving kindness is egotistical???

LOL jesus & buddha were just ego maniacs :crazy2:


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8200826 -

How do you know when someone transcended "the selfishness of their perceptions"? How do they have to behave in order to recognize them? :strokebeard:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8200841 -

The patterned thoughts and consistent mental model that seem to make up what would be referred to as ego.

Like that.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8200859 -

So this is the reason you wanna call it an orbit?

And since you refer to the ego from psychology, let's see what it means:

Quote:
Proponents of ego psychology focus on the ego’s normal and pathological development, its management of libidinal and aggressive impulses, and its adaptation to reality.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_psychology

Why would anyone wanna give that up?


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8200923 -

To temporarily suspend their 'learned reality' to operate from this altered state in the interest of gathering insight into what ever may be presented.
I feel this would be a valuable biannual experience.
Say round the spring and fall equinoxes.
Maybe complete with some crazy stories of transformation.
Death. Rebirth.
I don't know.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8200960 -

LOL wikipedia...

Its like saying "fuck you" to someone and they wip out a dictionary and think you would like to have sexual intercourse with them...




Ego transendence is just getting beyond the attachments of what you love & dont love and just loving everything unconditionally.

Someone who has a low level of ego will have eyes full of compassion and love for all beings as it is only our selfishness that keeps us from doing this, the ego is selfishness, the perception we are separate from everyhting else.

Having a bit of ego is beautiful, love your individuality, every second of it, yet don't hold this to be reality as it is false, this is why we suffer so much we are denying our true nature, which is to love.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8201001 -

'Ego transendence is just getting beyond the attachments of what you love & dont love and just loving everything unconditionally.'

In my experience is it purely dose dependent.
Really has nothing to do with 'love' imo.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8201058 -

lol@dose dependant, try a high dose of meditation, say 9+grams :wink:

What does relaity have to do with in your opinion?
(i seriosuly don't mean that sarcastically like id ask OC, i want to know your opinion...)


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8201085 -

Chronic777 said:
Ego transendence is just getting beyond the attachments of what you love & dont love and just loving everything unconditionally.


Yes, its just that to you, but everyone has their own pet definition. Do you even know why you are attempting to describe aspects of reality through the term eg*?


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8201125 -

Chronic777 said:
lol@dose dependant, try a high dose of meditation, say 9+grams :wink:

What does relaity have to do with in your opinion?
(i seriosuly don't mean that sarcastically like id ask OC, i want to know your opinion...)


Meditation is nice.
17 grams caused me some problems.

Reality??  Conscious biological intelligent organizing self replicating information systems arising at random within and becoming conscious of a chaotic hostile universe.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8201164 -

fireworks_god said:
Quote:
Do you even know why you are attempting to describe aspects of reality through the term eg*?


Because you or mushroom trip (the animals things confuse me!) asked me to describe what i believe ego transcendence is in a few posts higher up... :smirk:


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8201184 -

backfromthedead said:
To temporarily suspend their 'learned reality' to operate from this altered state in the interest of gathering insight into what ever may be presented.
I feel this would be a valuable biannual experience.
Say round the spring and fall equinoxes.
Maybe complete with some crazy stories of transformation.
Death.  Rebirth.
I don't know.


To temporarily suspend the "learned reality" does not mean ego death in my book. Ego death is just hippie invented stuff, if you permanently (like some posters suggested here that it's good to do) remove the learned reality (is there any other reality BTW? :sherlock:) means zero brain activity which means that we're unable to operate in any way. :shrug:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8201207 -

I could care less what anything means in your book.
Those that experience this know exactly what the term means.
I suggest you test your theory.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8201286 -

Quote:
LOL wikipedia...

Its like saying "fuck you" to someone and they wip out a dictionary and think you would like to have sexual intercourse with them...


No, actually this is also your personal interpretation, one that doesn't have anything to do with what it actually means.
I made that reference because backfromthedead showed a specific graphic that was about the psychological definition of the ego. However, this is not the ONLY definition, hence the confusion it produces.

Quote:
Ego transendence is just getting beyond the attachments of what you love & dont love and just loving everything unconditionally.


You're just talking from books here.
Or are you trying to imply that you managed to permanently "transcend your ego" and you're talking from a place where you already know all that?
From what I have observed, people tend to give all the negative attributes to the "ego", making it look like some sort of evil twin. This all sounds to me like a way of justifying one's failures.

Quote:
Someone who has a low level of ego will have eyes full of compassion and love for all beings as it is only our selfishness that keeps us from doing this, the ego is selfishness, the perception we are separate from everyhting else.

Having a bit of ego is beautiful, love your individuality, every second of it, yet don't hold this to be reality as it is false, this is why we suffer so much we are denying our true nature, which is to love.


I don't buy this, it all sounds like something you just made up.
Please correct me (with evidence if possible) if I'm wrong.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8201297 -

Quote:
Those that experience this know exactly what the term means.


You are of course talking about an interpretation of a certain experience.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8201326 -

'He(Freud) thought of the ego as synonymous with consciousness and contrasted it with the repressed unconscious.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_psychology

I say that it is very possible to transcend ego while remaining conscious/aware to experience this 'repressed unconscious'.
If you think of it like in the image, it is only a part/one orbit of the whole considering consciousness/unconsciouness.

The way it feels to me is that when you ingest large amounts of psilocybin, it's action as a serotonin analogue lights up your neurons like a Christmas tree. The 'inspired' activity easily eclipses the action and intensity of the few networks used on a daily basis. Perhaps.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8201334 -

Chronic777 said:
Because you or mushroom trip (the animals things confuse me!) asked me to describe what i believe ego transcendence is in a few posts higher up... :smirk:


No, you are the individual who introduced the term in this thread, and the phrase "eg* transcendence". You can't say you are using the phrase "eg* transcendence" because one of us asked you what you meant in your usage of the phrase. One of us didn't ask you before you used it. :lol:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8201337 -

MushroomTrip said:
Quote:
Those that experience this know exactly what the term means.


You are of course talking about an interpretation of a certain experience.


No mystery.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
    #8201616 -

How can anyone who has not transcended ego call someone egotistical?

The very statement "your so egotistical" implies being able to have no or little ego?

If these sceptics had gone anywhere beyond egotistical then they would not be sceptics lol



Not really, it takes an ego to know and ego. There is no implication of no ego there. But we are all egotistical and self-important. Some of us just can't see it is all.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Icelander]
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I think of myself as having a gigantic "ego," inasmuch as I think A LOT about what other people are thinking, particularly what they are thinking about me, and I react accordingly on a constant basis.

Did I just describe myself or absolutely everyone present?


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You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Chronic7]
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Someone who has a low level of ego will have eyes full of compassion and love for all beings as it is only our selfishness that keeps us from doing this, the ego is selfishness, the perception we are separate from everyhting else.


This definition of "ego" does not match any version of what the REST of us have agreed upon. If you want to discuss negative qualities of the ego (personality), then you may bring up selfishness, divisiveness, lack of empathy, etc...

Being loving, compassionate & viewing the universe as "all one" are ALL expressions of the ego (personality). To attempt to define these positive qualities as arising from something other than who you are is absurd.

We all may choose what the expression of our ego looks like...and it is as flexible or rigid as our thinking about ourselves. It seems to me that you may be circling around the idea that developing a flexible, positively-inclined ego construct would be beneficial for humankind. If so, I agree 100%.

If, however, you are claiming that one can "reduce" or "kill" or "eliminate" the ego, I must disagree vehemently. As long as we are alive, and not in a permanent vegetative state, we WILL have a personality. The expression of our consciousness WILL continue, for better or for worse, until death intervenes. Some of us will express our memories and our interpretations of current experiences via so-called "selfishness," some of us will do so through so-called "selfless" service to others. Both expressions are EGOIC.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: fireworks_god]
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No, you are the individual who introduced the term in this thread, and the phrase "eg* transcendence". You can't say you are using the phrase "eg* transcendence" because one of us asked you what you meant in your usage of the phrase. One of us didn't ask you before you used it.


You are SO stuck in linear time...


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
I see the purpose of philosophy as seeking to understand the nature of reality.


Sounds like science to me.

fireworks_god said:
Yes, its just that to you, but everyone has their own pet definition.


Everyone has their own unique definition for every word, some are just easier to relate than others. I think for the most part it seems we all agree what the ego is and what it's functions are. It's hard to describe an ego so it seems more loose of a definition than most, and it is certainly hard to grasp unless you've experienced some form of ego loss. Have you by the way? I can't see why you'd be arguing so intently if so.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: krypto2000]
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'...consciousness is of its own properties, transcendental as there is inclusive in it, itself and reflection of it.'

'...the material presence of things in turn proves the ontology of the object contemplating them. Ego is then nothing without something in which to contemplate but is reliant on itself and its being. Further, the flexibility of consciousness for Sartre is the ability to contemplate something in its absence, this being special for his idea of reflection.'

'In this way we are still only condemned to making ourselves as we battle with our own consciousness, and so we don’t create the world, we are objects in the world.'

-wiki


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said:
I think of myself as having a gigantic "ego," inasmuch as I think A LOT about what other people are thinking, particularly what they are thinking about me, and I react accordingly on a constant basis.

Did I just describe myself or absolutely everyone present?


Everyone I think.:lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Icelander]
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Thank you. :smile:


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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I am God I am the experience in which life is born of and yada yada durka durka

who cares - no one

in fact the most intelligent will almost always certainly be in a linear time

Fuck my ego and fuck your ego... I still need my precious ego though so I can hold onto this world and live with my freaking brain.

God damn... it... why did this thread not get to the point

ego god love life soul spirit meaning experience shit fuck cunt whore

all those words are awesome but obviously ambivalent when used in THESE days. FUC KTTTT


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
Sounds like science to me.


This is probably due to the fact that they are closely related.

fireworks_god said:
Everyone has their own unique definition for every word, some are just easier to relate than others.


Clearly. Some words share little consensual meaning, whereas words like "everyone", "has", "their", "own", etc. have established significant, consensual meaning.

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I think for the most part it seems we all agree what the ego is and what it's functions are.


This is quite the unsubstantiated statement. Any discussion of the eg* is complete with quite the varied conceptions of what the word refers to. By all means, enlighten us as to which definition of the word eg*it seems we all agree on, for the most part.

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and it is certainly hard to grasp unless you've experienced some form of ego loss. Have you by the way?


I'm not sure... what's the word mean? :strokebeard:

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I can't see why you'd be arguing so intently if so.


What does the word g*d mean to you? :sherlock:


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
This is quite the unsubstantiated statement. Any discussion of the eg* is complete with quite the varied conceptions of what the word refers to. By all means, enlighten us as to which definition of the word eg*it seems we all agree on, for the most part.


I never denied that definitions of ego vary. I was just saying we all generally agree what it means. There are certain things we (most people I've talked to) can agree that the ego does. It gives you your sense of self, keeps you from being 'connected' with the outside world etc.

You seem to act like ego has absolutely no meaning. Am I wrong on this? There are certain things an ego is generally considered to entail, and certain things it does not. While there is no single definition everyone can entirely agree on, can you deny that there are general notions attributed to the ego?



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I can't see why you'd be arguing so intently if so.


What does the word g*d mean to you? :sherlock:


I don't see why this is related but I believe that everyones definition of god is in fact the same regardless of what religion you are but people do not realize this (because of their ego :wink:). To me god literally means everything and/or nothing. That is the best I can express it's meaning in words.

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: Lion]
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An Unger-ian skeptic could reply to you in a such a way...

"We use ordinarily language talk to make sense of the world around us, and it works for our practical purposes, but it need not represent the way things actually are"

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: deadatdusk]
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deadatdusk said:
An Unger-ian skeptic could reply to you in a such a way...

"We use ordinarily language talk to make sense of the world around us, and it works for our practical purposes, but it need not represent the way things actually are"


Are you saying he would reply to me that way? Cause I agree completely. How is that in opposition of my points?

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: krypto2000]
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Because no one cares to get to the point.


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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: allisthesame]
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:boring:  I quit

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Re: For the sceptics... [Re: krypto2000]
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Good you should.


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